JennyMorgan Posted November 2, 2016 Share Posted November 2, 2016 http://www.edp24.co.uk/news/environment/norfolk_wildlife_trust_launches_1m_appeal_to_secure_future_of_hickling_broad_1_4758888 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnm Posted November 2, 2016 Share Posted November 2, 2016 So, do they get the lot or did the locals (boat yard, sailing club, boathouses, etc) get their bit? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Polly Posted November 2, 2016 Share Posted November 2, 2016 Sounds like 'the lot' to me John? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheQ Posted November 2, 2016 Share Posted November 2, 2016 Having spoken to a Hickling SC member, the NWT trust bid, is for the lot, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timbo Posted November 2, 2016 Share Posted November 2, 2016 " we knew we had to push the boat out" In all that weed? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Polly Posted November 2, 2016 Share Posted November 2, 2016 Yes I noticed that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SPEEDTRIPLE Posted November 2, 2016 Share Posted November 2, 2016 My suspiciuos mind makes me think with the NWT now owning these waterways, it could spell the death of boating on these waters?. I`m now picturing all the marshes with millions of bird hides etc all round the place, and not a boat in sight, except for an electric trip boat of course?. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheQ Posted November 2, 2016 Share Posted November 2, 2016 I must admit I am suspicious. I also note that the EDP says they are needing to raise one Million but IIRC the original sale price was 2.5 million. Do they have reserves for the rest or have they been given the nod from the Lottery funds.? Alternatively are they planning to sell off the built up bits off, I.E. the sailing club and boat yard (and a few other bits In that corner of the broad area).? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnm Posted November 2, 2016 Share Posted November 2, 2016 Having been up that way today, I am told that the NWT bid for the whole has been accepted. The locals in the 'Lot 5' area know no more than that. I must admit to being somewhat concerned noting the Trust's intransigence wrt dredging and (as I understand from sources) the historical opposition of certain key players in NWT to even keeping the navigation channel open during previous high weed growth years - it may have been 20 odd years ago but bruised egos have long memories! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExMemberBobdog Posted November 2, 2016 Share Posted November 2, 2016 I don't think you'll notice any difference. NWT have been managing the area for years under lease from the owners, all they're doing is going from leaseholders to freeholders. The moorings at Deep Dyke, Deep Go and White Slea are owned by NWT and let out to (and maintained by) the BA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SPEEDTRIPLE Posted November 2, 2016 Share Posted November 2, 2016 2 hours ago, Bobdog said: I don't think you'll notice any difference. NWT have been managing the area for years under lease from the owners, all they're doing is going from leaseholders to freeholders. The moorings at Deep Dyke, Deep Go and White Slea are owned by NWT and let out to (and maintained by) the BA. Hi Bob, i don`t usually like saying this, but in future years, "somebody might quote you on that"?. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnm Posted November 2, 2016 Share Posted November 2, 2016 4 hours ago, Bobdog said: I don't think you'll notice any difference. 4 hours ago, Bobdog said: all they're doing is going from leaseholders to freeholders So going from being tied by the terms of a lease to having complete control over land that they will now own. I am afraid that I beg to differ Bobdog, I am sure that we will notice a difference. Probably not this year, maybe not in the next two or three but in five years or so when sky rocketing rents have forced out the boatyard and weed prevents the sailing club from operating what then? 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vaughan Posted November 2, 2016 Share Posted November 2, 2016 5 hours ago, Bobdog said: The moorings at Deep Dyke, Deep Go and White Slea are owned by NWT and let out to (and maintained by) the BA. That in itself, sounds like the kiss of death. Look what has just happened on Thorpe River Green. I predict that the only way to maintain navigation upstream of Potter bridge in the future, will be to enforce the statutory rights of navigation to the public staithes. These rights go back to Time Immemorial and can only be repealed by act of Parliament. So now is the time to enforce them. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BroadAmbition Posted November 2, 2016 Share Posted November 2, 2016 So now is the time to enforce them Love to but how? I thought that was the Ba's remit on our behalf? Griff 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExMemberBobdog Posted November 3, 2016 Share Posted November 3, 2016 Usual scaremongering nonsense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Polly Posted November 3, 2016 Share Posted November 3, 2016 Hope you are right B 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SPEEDTRIPLE Posted November 3, 2016 Share Posted November 3, 2016 11 hours ago, Bobdog said: Usual scaremongering nonsense. Hi Bob, i don`t think in all honesty, Vaughn, or certainly NOT myself are trying to "scaremonger" anybody. Recent history has seen boating, and boating related requirements, ie dredging and mooring, have been put very low on the authority`s list of responsiblities, in favour of conservation and wildlife. Nobody has actually stated those are the things that ARE GOING TO HAPPEN, merely voicing concerns of what MIGHT happen, based on recent history. So i think to label peoples post as scaremongering is unfair. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MauriceMynah Posted November 3, 2016 Share Posted November 3, 2016 I can vaguely accept "scaremongering" though feel it an exaggeration, but it was the "nonsense" that I thought was well wide of the mark. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BroadAmbition Posted November 3, 2016 Share Posted November 3, 2016 If the Ba are so keen to uphold their chief responsibility - i.e maintaining navigation, then why don't they buy it? They could start a crowd-funding account, publicise that they need help to purchase the whole blooming lot, they could even enquire about putting down a deposit and pay monthly. I'd certainly donate to that cause. In the meantime I have been purchasing euro millions tickets faithfully (And needlessly as it turns out) since the news of the sale was announced. I'm fast running out of time - and hope Griff 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExMemberBobdog Posted November 3, 2016 Share Posted November 3, 2016 The BA's "chief responsibilty" is not navigation. Read the Act of Parliament and you'll find the BA has three responsibilities, each having equal weight, and "protecting the interests of navigation" is just one of them. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JanetAnne Posted November 3, 2016 Share Posted November 3, 2016 Three responsibilities? Navigation, conservation and self promotion? Nah, cant be that, maybe its Navigation, conservation and revenue raising? Dont seem right either... Navigation, self promotion and revenue raising? Nope, I give up, need a clue here... Someone just remind me here exactly how deep the water needs to be for "protecting the interests of navigation" See, I'm not bitter! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JennyMorgan Posted November 3, 2016 Author Share Posted November 3, 2016 39 minutes ago, Bobdog said: The BA's "chief responsibilty" is not navigation. Read the Act of Parliament and you'll find the BA has three responsibilities, each having equal weight, and "protecting the interests of navigation" is just one of them. Nor is it conservation, and especially not conservation by exclusion enforced by strategic neglect. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timbo Posted November 3, 2016 Share Posted November 3, 2016 4 minutes ago, Bobdog said: The BA's "chief responsibilty" is not navigation. Read the Act of Parliament and you'll find the BA has three responsibilities, each having equal weight, and "protecting the interests of navigation" is just one of them. That's not quite correct. As a port authority the Broads Authority is also subject to the Shipping Act, the governments Maritime Safety Policy on behalf of the Department of Transport, International Maritime Organisation regulations, and currently, European Union legislation...although upon article 50 the UK intends to adopt EU legislation piecemeal so this will still apply. All of the above legislation places the onus on human safety and the right of navigation. There is also the slight matter of 'statutory prejudice' best explanation is covered in the regulation regarding improper conduct in a public office, which also applies, and the paper storm that is the dreaded health and safety legislation. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timbo Posted November 3, 2016 Share Posted November 3, 2016 Yeah I know...elfs...but it's nearly Chri...shhhhh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JennyMorgan Posted November 3, 2016 Author Share Posted November 3, 2016 A statement made by Dr Packman in regard to the proposed Suffolk Broads National Nature Reserve near Oulton Broad: Broads Authority chief executive John Packman adds his support by saying: “The natural world needs our help as never before. What a tremendous opportunity this is to repair the mistakes of the past and bring nature back to this special part of the Broads.” I'm not sure that he's not right, up to a point. Fortunately the proposed nature reserve does not impinge on the navigation. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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