Old Fella Falls In At Ludham

[CambridgeCabby]

With more and more boats both hire and private using 240v we now also have the added trip hazard of cables across the paths beside the moorings, I doubt I’m the only one that has “gone a pearler” over an errant cable whilst returning from an evenings socialising 

[Hylander]

 

5 hours ago, CambridgeCabby said:

With more and more boats both hire and private using 240v we now also have the added trip hazard of cables across the paths beside the moorings, I doubt I’m the only one that has “gone a pearler” over an errant cable whilst returning from an evenings socialising 

And the moral of the story is.....   take a torch with you.

[JennyMorgan]

11 hours ago, KaptinKev said:

Basically careless or half cut.

Maybe, maybe not. As one who has entered old gitdom I am painfully aware of balance, or lack of, and my ability to cope with it as a problem. I do use a stick to help me aboard, a great help it is too.

[Guest]

13 hours ago, KaptinKev said:

Basically careless or half cut.

Quite a sweeping statement really and blames the individual for the incident when he or she maybe perfectly innocent .

There are lots of way to end up in the floor or even the river and yes electric cables can be a major cause of that but so can uneven quay headings and holes caused by burrowing animals , wet timber work that's covered in green slime is probably one of the worst and while I was in Yorkshire caused the death of a person crossing a lock gate to go back to his boat  , instantly and within a week British waterways had covered the walk boards in anti slip and retro fitted it everywhere .

Regardless of if yiu have a life jacket on or not yiu do need a method of getting out and that's why escape ladders are there .

Incidentally just why is it as I believe its going to be this next yr mandatory that hire craft carry co2 alarms ? Yes its a great idea and I totally agree with it but I think that when most hire craft don't have an effective means of getting back onboard then that's something else that's long over due to be mandatory , all it requires is an emergacy ladder that can be deployed by a crew member and for that sake of less that £100 it make perfect sense to me , iv even had to pick up people who went swimming in a broad because they simply couldn't get back on their own boat , I learned that lesson the hard way as I was involved in the rescue of a crew member who went over the side In February a few yrs back and I simply couldn't get her back on the Boat , 45 minutes in the water before the RNLI got there = 2 weeks in hospital and much longer she wouldn't have made it so the paramedics told me , incidentally she did have a life jacket on , wasn't careless to my knowledge and certainly wasn't drunk .

Accidents happen and as much as i agree H&S has gone a bit crazy in some cases in the case of escape ladders , safety chains  and life  jackets IMHO its not crazy at all .

 

 

[CambridgeCabby]

6 hours ago, Hylander said:

 

And the moral of the story is.....   take a torch with you.

Always have a torch , trouble is in grass the trailing leads are not always  visible 

[Hylander]

2 hours ago, CambridgeCabby said:

Always have a torch , trouble is in grass the trailing leads are not always  visible 

True - and that is my story Judge.    (sorry my sense of humour)        If I recall Princess Margaret who loved her Gin, as I gather most Royals do, used to blame the carpet had moved every time she came a cropper after a few.

I should imagine you nowadays have to be wary of Leccy cables.      That is probably why the Leccy points have lights on them.

 

 

[Bound2Please]

Well if there wasn't electric posts, there wouldn't be the trip hazard of 240vac cables to trip over.

I rest me case Judge.

Charlie

[JennyMorgan]

If I were to trip over someone's trailing power cable then who's responsibility, or even liability, would it be?

[Bound2Please]

7 minutes ago, JennyMorgan said:

If I were to trip over someone's trailing power cable then who's responsibility, or even liability, would it be?

Good point indeed

[Guest]

18 minutes ago, JennyMorgan said:

If I were to trip over someone's trailing power cable then who's responsibility, or even liability, would it be?

I'd guess out would be the person who laid the cable there , surely it's the boater using the electric points  responsibility to make sure the situation is safe , that's certainly the case in regards to contractor's and the public and I see no reason why it wouldn't apply in this case .

[CambridgeCabby]

When moored up at Ludham bridge near (but not blocking) the water point we were plugged in to the 240v and a sign on the post stated please place the cone over the cable , good idea I thought , only downside was there was no cone provided !!

[Guest]

11 minutes ago, Ricardo said:

I'd guess out would be the person who laid the cable there , surely it's the boater using the electric points  responsibility to make sure the situation is safe , that's certainly the case in regards to contractor's and the public and I see no reason why it wouldn't apply in this case .

Is that any different to someone tripping on your mooring lines? 

[Guest]

9 minutes ago, Philosophical said:

Is that any different to someone tripping on your mooring lines? 

Well yes because mooring bollards and rings are mostly quite close yo the quay edge and you have no alternative that to tie off to them , + they are positioned by a third party not the boater with the obvious exception of land anchors , however electric posts are sometimes positioned well back from the quay and then it to me at least becomes the responsible of the boater using the electric post to lay the cable where it can be seen and the least likelihood of someone tripping over it , surely that's just common sense given that the victim might even be the person who laid the cable having forgotten its there  or not seen it ! 

[Guest]

3 minutes ago, Ricardo said:

Well yes because mooring bollards and rings are mostly quite close yo the quay edge and you have no alternative that to tie off to them , + they are positioned by a third party not the boater with the obvious exception of land anchors , however electric posts are sometimes positioned well back from the quay and then it to me at least becomes the responsible of the boater using the electric post to lay the cable where it can be seen and the least likelihood of someone tripping over it , surely that's just common sense given that the victim might even be the person who laid the cable having forgotten its there  or not seen it ! 

I agree the risk is reduced for all the reasons you have explained but never the less still exists and the mooring line is not positioned by a third party but by the boat operator. Would "having no option" be a reasonable excuse in the event of litigation?

[Regulo]

On 09/11/2017 at 10:41, Philosophical said:

Fox's of Ipswich have them on their website also at £46.95

https://www.plastimo.com/en/safety/safety-ladders/echelle-de-securite-a-encastrer.html

Same thing but even cheaper! £33.20. I'm from Essex, not Yorkshire.

https://www.piratescave.co.uk/flushmount-watertight-emergency-safety-ladder.ir

[Guest]

7 minutes ago, Regulo said:

Same thing but even cheaper! £33.20. I'm from Essex, not Yorkshire.

https://www.piratescave.co.uk/flushmount-watertight-emergency-safety-ladder.ir

I'm from London btw.

 

[Guest]

40 minutes ago, Philosophical said:

I agree the risk is reduced for all the reasons you have explained but never the less still exists and the mooring line is not positioned by a third party but by the boat operator. Would "having no option" be a reasonable excuse in the event of litigation?

I'm sorry but iv been on 90% of broads Mooring's over the last 8 yr of cruising them continuously and I've yet to a mooring where its possible while walking down the quay that you could possibly trip over a mooring line as long as they are tidy and by the post or ring , incidentally I ment that the posts and rings are positioned by a third party  be that land owner , BA or EA etc , quite obviously the mooring lines themselves are the responsibility of the boat owner as is the electric cable ! 

[Guest]

3 minutes ago, Ricardo said:

I'm sorry but iv been on 90% of broads Mooring's over age last 8 yr of cruising them continuously and I've yet to a mooring where its possible while walking down the quay that you could possibly trip over a mooring line as long as they are tidy and by the post or ring , incidentally I ment that the posts and rings are positioned by a third party  be that land owner , BA or EA etc , quite obviously the mooring lines themselves are the responsibility of the boat owner as is the electric cable ! 

I'm off to the pub for a drink now, good to know that it is not possible for me to trip on a mooring line and fall in. (on the way there anyway)

[Guest]

31 minutes ago, Philosophical said:

I'm off to the pub for a drink now, good to know that it is not possible for me to trip on a mooring line and fall in. (on the way there anyway)

Don't forget your torch and take care .

[Wyndham]

Made me do some thinking did this thread. We generally wear our life jackets, but have never given any thought to how we would get out if the worst happened. Also, I'll fess up and admit mooring across ladders when there was no alternative, without thinking of what the consequences might be.

They say you're never too old to learn, I consider myself wiser now.

[ExUserGone]

Visability is the reason I have always used yellow 110v cable for any home made shore power leads, unfortunately my long lead is a pre-made extension so is done in blue, it's also the one that I use most often these days so mind your step.

[High6]

To summarise then, if you are setting off for the pub you will need:

Buoyancy aid

Torch

Length of cord with loop in end

Folding ladder

Jeans with velcro fastening

Manual on Holger Nielson Method of resuscitation

Throw line

Length of yellow cable

Have I missed anything?

Nearly forgot - beer money!

[Bound2Please]

24 minutes ago, High6 said:

Buoyancy aid

Surely you mean life jacket

[littlesprite]

I wonder why stories like this always look for someone to blame, I am someone who always wears a life jacket on the boat or during mooring, however, if leaving the boat for shopping or going to the pub I don't, and have never seen anyone who does.

I wouldn't blame anyone for the lack of a ladder or chains, yet it does seem clear that such things would have been useful so it is a lesson learnt rather than blame.

 As for falling in, has anyone else apart from me fallen or tripped over on dry land, I know I have and feel sure I'm not the only one.

Hope the guy is ok and continues to enjoy his boating.

[High6]

7 minutes ago, Bound2Please said:

Surely you mean life jacket

Perhaps a buoyancy aid on the way there and a life jacket on the way back?