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Sea Palling.

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7 minutes ago, EastCoastIPA said:

The sad result of dogs not being kept on a lead in public places.

Also the sad result of unthinking, irresponsible people owning dogs who really shouldn't have that privilege.  

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In my mind any dog capable of attacking another creature so viciously could easily do the same to a small child.  I hope the dog is found and dealt with appropriately. 

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19 minutes ago, dnks34 said:

In my mind any dog capable of attacking another creature so viciously could easily do the same to a small child.  I hope the dog is found and dealt with appropriately. 

Nonsense, if the dog had been controlled by it's owner it wouldn't have happened.

Destroy the dog, the owner gets another dog which they neglect to control too and another situation occurs, creating a cycle for the poor dog's which come into the owners care.

Any dog can attack, they are animals of course, it is the responsibility of the owner to control them and that is where the finger of blame should be pointed

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I know it won't make me popular with the dog owning population, but I am personally sick and tired of other peoples dogs pawing or jumping up at me when out and about in public spaces, only to be followed with the usual comment of "it's ok, he's only being friendly" Dogs in public places should be on a lead and well controlled at all times. I don't want someone else's dog leaving muddy or sandy paw marks on my cloths. I do like dogs, but just think they should be on a lead at all times when in public places. Private land, the owners house or garden, that's a different matter.

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9 minutes ago, EastCoastIPA said:

Dogs in public places should be on a lead and well controlled at all times.

Absolutely, I couldn't agree more. Again it goes back to my previous point of terrible owners not controlling their dogs

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21 minutes ago, Jayfire said:

Nonsense, if the dog had been controlled by it's owner it wouldn't have happened.

Destroy the dog, the owner gets another dog which they neglect to control too and another situation occurs, creating a cycle for the poor dog's which come into the owners care.

Any dog can attack, they are animals of course, it is the responsibility of the owner to control them and that is where the finger of blame should be pointed

Nonsense, any dog that has demonstrated an instinct to kill is then a dangerous animal.  

The dog is far from blameless.  It should be on a lead but let it live this time next time it could be a child.

Dogs are not all born savages.....my dog would be kept on a lead but even if she wasn't I am absolutely certain she wouldn't attack a seal pup.

The owner is just as much to blame as the dog

 

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6 minutes ago, dnks34 said:

any dog that has demonstrated an instinct to kill is then a dangerous animal.  

Such dog has not been socialised, trained and controlled correctly which goes back to my point, destroy that dog and the owner gets another to not socialise train and control correctly.

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3 minutes ago, Jayfire said:

Such dog has not been socialised, trained and controlled correctly which goes back to my point, destroy that dog and the owner gets another to not socialise train and control correctly.

I agree but the upshot is we still have a potentially dangerous animal marauding about off the lead!  

There is also the likelihood this type of behaviour wasn't completely unusual for that dog.  

Picture this scene, quiet beach, known aggressive dog, the owner thinks aww fido needs a run off the lead theres no one about but behind that large rock out of sight of the owner where the seal pup may have been is a family with buckets and spades, what could happen.

Being the owner of a small breed dog many times I have had to threaten larger dogs marauding about who clearly see my dog as prey, she has been bitten by larger animals a few times. 

I am a firm believer that the moment any dog demonstrates any dangerous or aggressive behaviour to any other living being is when it needs taking off the streets as its a potential danger to others. 

Then the owners should be banned for life for not dealing with it before an attack occurred. 

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8 minutes ago, Seagypsy said:

Not sure but I thought dogs had to be on a lead in public places

Dogs have to be under control in public places, which is not the same as being on a lead. There are various bits of legislation that affect dog owners.

The Road Traffic Act 1988  makes it a criminal offence for a dog to be on a designated road (public road) without being held on a lead.

Public Spaces Protection Orders can also make it an offence not to have a dog on a lead. The local councils must let the public know where PSPOs are in place.

The Protection of Livestock Act covers countryside and farm land.

The Control of Dogs Order makes it law that any dog in a public place must have a collar with the name and address of the owner.

So there are public places that dogs can legally be of a lead, but really the best bet to avoid the legal minefield is to keep dogs on a lead at all times. It's worth remembering that if in the countryside or on farmland a farmer has the right to kill a dog that is worrying his livestock.

There is really only one exception to keeping a dog on a lead as far as I'm concerned. If you're in the countryside and happen to end up in a field with cattle and their young they are likely to see the dog as a threat and attack it. In this case you should let the dog off the lead as it is more likely to outrun the cattle and also divert them away from you. That is the only case I'm aware of when it is best to let a dog off it's lead.

 

 

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What gripes me is when Mr A Dog-Owner thinks it acceptable to let Fido off its lead when said dog is on a public footpath that runs along the river bank or across a beach for example. These are open spaces, shared with livestock and wildlife, surely people realise this obvious fact.

Working dogs is one thing, domestic pets is another. Working dogs are trained to be in the countryside, as generally are their owners, by and large domestic dogs are not and seemingly neither are their owners.. 

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8 minutes ago, JennyMorgan said:

What gripes me is when Mr A Dog-Owner thinks it acceptable to let Fido off its lead when said dog is on a public footpath that runs along the river bank or across a beach for example. These are open spaces, shared with livestock and wildlife, surely people realise this obvious fact.

Working dogs is one thing, domestic pets is another. Working dogs are trained to be in the countryside, as generally are their owners, by and large domestic dogs are not and seemingly neither are their owners.. 

What gripes me even more is when Fido is off the lead for his morning rituals and wees up the mooring post, whether it has a rope attached to it or not at that moment. At some point it will have. Along the sea wall near me a local group have organised and placed a load of public benches. Every one of the legs is stained with dog urine, either from dogs off the lead, or on the lead. How is that in any way acceptable? Why should people have to sit on a bench surrounded by the smell of dog urine. Aargh those owners need chucking in the sea pronto. To all responsible owners I apologise for this rant!.

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At one time most boat yards had hosepipes trailing just about anywhere from which folk could top up their water tanks. Not now and one of the reasons for that was dogs being allowed to pee on the hoses, another reason being that some folk left the end of the hose in the river and often in the mud, urghhhhh. The stupidity/thoughtlessness of some folk is beyond belief!

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What sickens me about all this is the fact that a dog kills a seal and god knows how many people want it destroyed, knee jerk reactions at their best. When foxes kill sheep, no, cuddly little foxes are cute, ban fox hunting. The same goes for otters, they kill thousands of creatures every year, yet all the halfwits say no, leave them alone, they`re cute.

Seems to be a lot of people with double standards, or just plain hypocrites.

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Dogs are supposedly mans best friend but their toileting needs leave a lot to be desired! 

I have only ever had female dogs and they tend to squat for a widdle, i couldnt be doing with walking a male dog and having it wazzing up everything as we walked along. 

Sticking to female I don't have rotting woodwork in the garden but I do have little brown burn patches in the grass which I regularly have to see to.  When we are out I try to encourage her to go in rough ground but i never know what she might stand in! 

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Just now, SPEEDTRIPLE said:

What sickens me about all this is the fact that a dog kills a seal and god knows how many people want it destroyed, knee jerk reactions at their best. When foxes kill sheep, no, cuddly little foxes are cute, ban fox hunting. The same goes for otters, they kill thousands of creatures every year, yet all the halfwits say no, leave them alone, they`re cute.

Seems to be a lot of people with double standards, or just plain hypocrites.

Dogs are supposedly domesticated animals, that is the difference. Otters, foxes......polar bears are wild animals and should be left to nature!

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3 minutes ago, dnks34 said:

Dogs are supposedly domesticated animals, that is the difference. Otters, foxes......polar bears are wild animals and should be left to nature!

But otters and foxes cause major damage to domestic animals and livestock, so should be dealt with. Bring back fox hunting and have a massive otter Kull.   And i don`t give a damn who does`nt like it.

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28 minutes ago, SPEEDTRIPLE said:

What sickens me about all this is the fact that a dog kills a seal and god knows how many people want it destroyed, knee jerk reactions at their best. When foxes kill sheep, no, cuddly little foxes are cute, ban fox hunting. The same goes for otters, they kill thousands of creatures every year, yet all the halfwits say no, leave them alone, they`re cute.

Seems to be a lot of people with double standards, or just plain hypocrites.

There are no bad dogs, just bad owners. I'd sort the owner out first! Wild animals don't have owners enough said!

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24 minutes ago, SPEEDTRIPLE said:

But otters and foxes cause major damage to domestic animals and livestock, so should be dealt with. Bring back fox hunting and have a massive otter Kull.   And i don`t give a damn who does`nt like it.

I believe it is perfectly legal to cull foxes by shooting, just not to hunt them with dogs!! We could off course revert to proper dustbins and starve them out of our towns instead!!

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Many seals also suffer terrible injuries from from frisbee type flying rings, the ones with a hole in the middle.

People let their children play with them and then don't account for them at the end of the day, often losing them on the sand or in the sea.

If parents have so little control over their children I think the only answer is to have kids on leads in public places. It is also fairly common for used nappies to be buried in the sand, yuck!

 

On the other hand we could avoid tarring all dogs, owners, kids and parents with the same brush and deal with offenders rather than making everyone suffer for the few!

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The original post states that this was a dog attack, yet nobody witnessed it (or so it seems). How do they, or we, know for certain that it was a dog that attacked?

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The OP posted a screenshot of a BBC news article, if we cant take that for being relatively accurate at face value then I don't know what to say!

Maybe a Fox did it....!

 

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