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15 minutes ago, Gracie said:

Word of advice though....do not wear lip gloss and a mask, so not a good look when you take the mask off  :facepalm: :default_biggrin: x

Thanks for the advice, I'll bear it in mind, although I'm always told to put my mask back on once I take it off anyway :default_smiley-angelic002:

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I am really struggling to understand why people are having problems understanding what they should be doing. If you don't need to go out, then don't. if you are going shopping, stay as local as y

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3 minutes ago, Jayfire said:

Thanks for the advice, I'll bear it in mind, although I'm always told to put my mask back on once I take it off anyway :default_smiley-angelic002:

too much lip gloss i fear.

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3 minutes ago, grendel said:

too much lip gloss i fear.

Must be G, I can't think of any other explanation for it.....I mean why else would anyone want me to keep this ugly mug covered....or maybe it's the colour I'm using :default_smiley-angelic002:

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Why am I seeing so many holidaymakers posting on various FB groups / social media about travelling down to Norfolk for their holiday afloat?

Nowt wrong with that until you realise they are coming from a Tier 2 high risk areas into a Tier 1 medium risk area.

Is that allowed?

Griff

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9 minutes ago, BroadAmbition said:

Is that allowed?

It's a bit like playing backgammon, it all depends on where you start your move, end your move, how many pieces you have on a point and if you unable to make a valid move then your move is forfeit. 

So, for folks in a Tier 2 area

  • travel is permitted to amenities that are open, for work or to access education, but people are advised to reduce the number of journeys where possible.


Tier 3 folks

  • Travelling outside a very high alert level area or entering a very high alert level area should be avoided other than for things such as work, education or youth services, to meet caring responsibilities or if travelling through as part of a longer journey.
  • Residents of a tier 3 area should avoid staying overnight in another part of the UK, while people who live in a tier 1 or tier 2 area should avoid staying overnight in a very high alert level area.

Of course, at the moment the language used is 'advised' and 'should'.

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We don't have to look very deep for questionable polices. For example my Grandson's partner has had to go into isolation, result of track and trace. inevitably he and she have their intimate moments as they live in close contact yet he is not required to be isolated. Short of being locked in individual cells I have to question isolation, not the principle but the practicalities. Not all of us live in houses where isolation is really possible. 

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1 hour ago, BroadAmbition said:

Why am I seeing so many holidaymakers posting on various FB groups / social media about travelling down to Norfolk for their holiday afloat?

Nowt wrong with that until you realise they are coming from a Tier 2 high risk areas into a Tier 1 medium risk area.

Is that allowed?

Griff

The short answer is yes it is allowed. The more complex and possibly impossible to police is that people from a tier 2 area that travel to a tier 1 area should act as if they are in a tier 2 area. So that would mean two families from a tier 2 area, or a mix of tier 1 and tier 2 families would not be able to holiday together on a boat, or visit a pub or restaurant together as they would be breaking the tier 2 no socialising indoors rule unless from a single household.

We have the ridicoulous situation where Essex is in tier 2 yet Thurrock and Southend both unitary authorities are in tier 1. This last weekend Southend was apparently mobbed because you've guessed it, Essex folk who want to socilaise were going to Southend. Unless the pubs in Southend start acting like the police and asking for proof of address and ID from every customer, they have no way of knowing whether their customers are from tier 1 or tier 2 or if from tier 2 are they all from the same household anyway. Then add on the complication that they could be from one household with one other in a support bubble and they still wouldn't be breaking the rules.

Sadly the system relies on the honesty of people doing the right thing, there is no way for the police to enforce the system. As always those who have been abiding by the rules will continue to do so. Those that have not abided by the rules so far will continue to ignore them, from having parties at home, lying about coming from the same household when they go out, to blatantly refusing to wear masks when they can, and should. It is those people who will continue to spread the virus and undo much of the work being achieved by those obeying the increasingly complex rules.

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I am really struggling to understand why people are having problems understanding what they should be doing.

If you don't need to go out, then don't. if you are going shopping, stay as local as you reasonably can. 

Example. I live in Essex, now a tier two area. I was going to meet a friend in a pub in Hertfordshire (Tier 1 ) on Sunday. The new regulations/requests call it what you will, came in Saturday.

I didn't need to go to that pub, so I didn't. I phoned him and had a brief chat instead. Job done.

I am hearing so often people putting their own interests first, I see on TV people partying because they won't be allowed to soon, yet those same people say "I'm ignoring the new "rules" because I don't think they'll make any difference."

Well, they will be proved right. The new "rules" will make no difference but that's because they are being ignored by sufficient people to render them pointless.

If you need to go out, take the now usual precautions. Face mask, distancing etc.

If you can't take those precautions, try to find a way around going out. There usually is one if you think about it long enough.

If you need to go out, can't take the now usual precautions, and can't find a way around the problem, then go out! you are not part of the problem, but try your best to do what you can to avoid close contact with people.

SO ! Where's the problem? The problem is people doing their utmost to find ways of justifying not doing what they are asked to do. They are treating the whole matter as a game. This is not a game. Covid19 is killing people, directly and indirectly.

 

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Couldn't  agree more.There are too many  people  bending  the rules to suit themselves.I like many am concerned because the raise in infection has a direct  affect on those of us with a serious illness. The other day Medics in Liverpool  said if infection raise much more other important  operations such as Cancer will have to be cancelled or delayed.If every  one pulls together, regardless  of age and health we can help to reduce infection. 

Perhaps that's too much to hope for!

 

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13 minutes ago, MauriceMynah said:

I am really struggling to understand why people are having problems understanding what they should be doing.

If you don't need to go out, then don't. if you are going shopping, stay as local as you reasonably can. 

Example. I live in Essex, now a tier two area. I was going to meet a friend in a pub in Hertfordshire (Tier 1 ) on Sunday. The new regulations/requests call it what you will, came in Saturday.

I didn't need to go to that pub, so I didn't. I phoned him and had a brief chat instead. Job done.

I am hearing so often people putting their own interests first, I see on TV people partying because they won't be allowed to soon, yet those same people say "I'm ignoring the new "rules" because I don't think they'll make any difference."

Well, they will be proved right. The new "rules" will make no difference but that's because they are being ignored by sufficient people to render them pointless.

If you need to go out, take the now usual precautions. Face mask, distancing etc.

If you can't take those precautions, try to find a way around going out. There usually is one if you think about it long enough.

If you need to go out, can't take the now usual precautions, and can't find a way around the problem, then go out! you are not part of the problem, but try your best to do what you can to avoid close contact with people.

SO ! Where's the problem? The problem is people doing their utmost to find ways of justifying not doing what they are asked to do. They are treating the whole matter as a game. This is not a game. Covid19 is killing people, directly and indirectly.

 

Couldn't agree more but then when you have public figures and sons of politicians doing their utmost to disobey what's required what hope is there of the minions behaving responsibly.

Fred

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Perhaps if people that break the rules have there name taken then put on a list that them and there household will not receive any corona virus related hospital treatment this my focus the mind and punish those that endanger the rest of us. John

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46 minutes ago, Gracie said:

Brilliant post, I don't think I'll step outside the front door after that :default_biggrin: MM for Prime Minister I reckon, I hope he has better hair though :default_norty:

I agree with that, should mean cheaper booze:default_beerchug::default_drinks:

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1 hour ago, rightsaidfred said:

Couldn't agree more but then when you have public figures and sons of politicians doing their utmost to disobey what's required what hope is there of the minions behaving responsibly.

Fred

I've put a "like" on that post Fred, because it does highlight a major problem, but there is a counter question.

If Dominic Cummings played a round of Russian Roulette and got away with it, Would you?

What should happen to high profile people who break the spirit of the rules? I honestly don't know, though I'd let the "Have I got news for you" team have as much fun with it as they liked, 'Spitting image' too. Public figures should be publicly ridiculed when deserved. 

48 minutes ago, annv said:

Perhaps if people that break the rules have there name taken then put on a list that them and there household will not receive any corona virus related hospital treatment this my focus the mind and punish those that endanger the rest of us. John

A tempting thought tongue in cheek or not, but "sins of their fathers" and all that. No, I think ridicule and scant respect is the answer.

The Prime Minister had a problem with Dominic, His advice was good, but his actions were not. Should any person in a position of power ignore good sound advice, just because it comes from someone not smart enough to take it himself? 

No, I think if the advice was sound then Boris should have publicly called him an Idiot for not taking it, even highlighting that it was Dominic's own advice he ignored!

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36 minutes ago, MauriceMynah said:

I've put a "like" on that post Fred, because it does highlight a major problem, but there is a counter question.

If Dominic Cummings played a round of Russian Roulette and got away with it, Would you?

What should happen to high profile people who break the spirit of the rules? I honestly don't know, though I'd let the "Have I got news for you" team have as much fun with it as they liked, 'Spitting image' too. Public figures should be publicly ridiculed when deserved. 

A tempting thought tongue in cheek or not, but "sins of their fathers" and all that. No, I think ridicule and scant respect is the answer.

The Prime Minister had a problem with Dominic, His advice was good, but his actions were not. Should any person in a position of power ignore good sound advice, just because it comes from someone not smart enough to take it himself? 

No, I think if the advice was sound then Boris should have publicly called him an Idiot for not taking it, even highlighting that it was Dominic's own advice he ignored!

While I cant argue with that I was thinking more of high profile figures putting their own political ambitions above the public good.

Fred

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5 minutes ago, rightsaidfred said:

While I cant argue with that I was thinking more of high profile figures putting their own political ambitions above the public good.

Fred

Again, good point, I think the only effective counter attack would be to highlight that this is what is happening. It is a 'high stakes' strategy for both sides.

However, it will be tricky to keep this line of thought, and party politics separate, so I will have to keep further replies restricted to the problems as being demonstrated by our general public's selfishness.

 

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38 minutes ago, MauriceMynah said:

Again, good point, I think the only effective counter attack would be to highlight that this is what is happening. It is a 'high stakes' strategy for both sides.

However, it will be tricky to keep this line of thought, and party politics separate, so I will have to keep further replies restricted to the problems as being demonstrated by our general public's selfishness.

 

Whilst in the supermarket today, it was encouraging to see, in general widw use of masks.

What I found annoying was the number of pensioners  (exclusively oldies ! ) who were wearing theirs underneath their noses ! :default_2gunsfiring_v1:

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6 minutes ago, Poppy said:

Whilst in the supermarket today, it was encouraging to see, in general widw use of masks.

What I found annoying was the number of pensioners  (exclusively oldies ! ) who were wearing theirs underneath their noses ! :default_2gunsfiring_v1:

Funny you should say that, it’s something I have consistently noticed too. It also seems to me to be older gentlemen (?) who ignore the social distancing rule and push their way forward to wherever they are trying to get to. 😡

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2 hours ago, Poppy said:

Whilst in the supermarket today, it was encouraging to see, in general wide use of masks.

What I found annoying was the number of pensioners  (exclusively oldies ! ) who were wearing theirs underneath their noses ! :default_2gunsfiring_v1:

 

1 hour ago, Chelsea14Ian said:

Last week, we saw a number of people on the bus/train. Wearing a mask ,but covering there neck not there mouth and nose .

I honestly don't know if what you witnessed was from stupidity or selfishness. I accept that those medically exempt from wearing masks won't, but there's no reason or excuse for wearing masks wrongly.

Also I do accept that wearing said masks can restrict breathing. I have become quite giddy in Tesco's on occasions. When that happens I either just stop and get my breath back, or, if I see a space, I'll move into it and lift my mask for a moment to get some air, always ensuring that nobody is close and that I'm not breathing on something anybody is likely to touch.

 

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33 minutes ago, MauriceMynah said:

I have become quite giddy in Tesco's on occasions. When that happens I either just stop and get my breath back

 . . . or stop having any more swigs from that bottle in the brown paper bag.

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Due to my breathing  it is difficult  wearing  a mask.Where possible I wear a shield. Many of those wrongly  wearing a mask, I think just cant be bothered. Yesterday  a woman on the train got on,without  a mask  then she fiddled about with a mask.Then gave up.Later put it on for all of five minutes  then took it off.

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