Lockdown 2

[Smoggy]

39 minutes ago, Jbx5 said:

The weather has been great in Norfolk since the lockdown started on Thursday. Really nice boating weather 😉

John 

SHUT UP!!!!!!

[Guest]

Considering that boating is allowed it's eerily quiet in Horning!..

[ExSurveyor]

11 minutes ago, Jemaki said:

Considering that boating is allowed it's eerily quiet in Horning!..

I think that is still a moot point at the moment, conflicting advice and guidance between organisations.

Hopefully we may get some clarification next week.

[Guest]

7 minutes ago, psychicsurveyor said:

I think that is still a moot point at the moment, conflicting advice and guidance between organisations.

Hopefully we may get some clarification next week.

From Gov.uk website..oops...ignore Sky bet one

[CambridgeCabby]

“In line with the guidance issued by the relevant navigation authority” 

being the key wording as far as The Broads are concerned  

[Guest]

So we are at the mercy of the BA until they decide to agree with clear Government guidelines...hmm

[ExSurveyor]

The Enviroment Agency are still issuing the same advice as the BA, when last checked.

[CambridgeCabby]

1 minute ago, Jemaki said:

So we are at the mercy of the BA until they decide to agree with clear Government guidelines...hmm

Current information from the BA is that they have requested clear information from U.K. gov on this as there are conflicting messages from various departments .

What ever the result of that is , the other factor is the restriction in unnecessary travel especially to other areas , so to those of us that live more than a few miles from our boats the information is clear  

[CambridgeCabby]

The day we first went to look at Cerise Lady 

[CambridgeCabby]

[Turnoar]

Certainly is a fine sunny day, been out for a morning cycle ride and stuck to main roads generally to avoid wet mud, quiet to begin with. Happened upon a motorcycle accident at Walcott Green on the bend and helped slow traffic until police and fire service arrived, not as soon as I thought on a lockdown Sunday and the ambulance may have ended up being an hour or two I guess. The motorcycle had passed me a mile or so before and was riding sensibly given the earlier damp conditions. Stayed well away from others who had stopped to help first, hope the rider who had ended up in the soft verge is okay, kind couple of first aiders stopped later, likelihood of an off duty doctor etc passing slim in the circumstances I think. Oil on the middle of the road where the bike was when I arrived so take care if you drive that way.

[Paladin]

1 hour ago, CambridgeCabby said:

Current information from the BA is that they have requested clear information from U.K. gov on this as there are conflicting messages from various departments .

What ever the result of that is , the other factor is the restriction in unnecessary travel especially to other areas , so to those of us that live more than a few miles from our boats the information is clear  

The prohibition on travelling to other areas was repealed with the passing of the current regulations. These present regulations contain no restrictions on the distance that may be travelled to fulfil any of the activities allowed under the exemptions. 5 miles or 50 miles, it doesn't matter, providing the purpose of the travel is a permitted one.

The regulations are very loosely written in many respects. A simple example:

I live 3 miles from my surgery, from which I collect medication each month (a permitted exception under the regs). I can drive my car there and back, or I could drive a mile to my boat, drive my boat for three hours to Womack Staithe, walk 10 minutes to the surgery, then back to my boat for the drive home.

I'm not saying that is what I would do, but there is nothing in the regulations to say I can't. And I wouldn't be breaking any social distancing advice, either.

[Cheesey69]

11 minutes ago, Paladin said:

The prohibition on travelling to other areas was repealed with the passing of the current regulations. These present regulations contain no restrictions on the distance that may be travelled to fulfil any of the activities allowed under the exemptions. 5 miles or 50 miles, it doesn't matter, providing the purpose of the travel is a permitted one.

The regulations are very loosely written in many respects. A simple example:

I live 3 miles from my surgery, from which I collect medication each month (a permitted exception under the regs). I can drive my car there and back, or I could drive a mile to my boat, drive my boat for three hours to Womack Staithe, walk 10 minutes to the surgery, then back to my boat for the drive home.

I'm not saying that is what I would do, but there is nothing in the regulations to say I can't. And I wouldn't be breaking any social distancing advice, either.

This point needs to be hammered home. 

This isn't lockdown 1.

What you should do or not is irrelevant. I go by the law because this isn't a police state.

As been said, I really cant think of a more socially distancing activity than being on the broads than in my boat.

I've never been furloughed, because im classed as a key worker, no ones clapped for me (except when they are stuck in 2 of a motorway), no ones put up rainbows or do i get preferred access at supermarkets.

Because this is my job. 

Its what I signed up for unlike, say, supermarket workers.

But for the love of any God, just let me de- stress  on my boat!

[Heron]

Lovely walk today from Neatishead to Irstead. Plenty of people fishing at Irstead but very little social distancing. There was no one to one socialising, and they must all live in a very big house if they were all from one household. If the rules are not going to be enforced, we are all wasting our time.

[MauriceMynah]

11 minutes ago, Heron said:

If the rules are not going to be enforced, we are all wasting our time.

No Heron, we most certainly are not. These "rules" rely on majority adherence. They rely on good people not being selfish and do as requested. They rely on a sense of community spirit.

Any individual can do or try and do whatever they like, but if they are caught they have to recognise that their selfish actions are risking their, and other peoples lives. Personally I hope they get what's coming.

[Turnoar]

Heron, from what I’ve witnessed this weekend I suspect there may be second homers locking down here or indeed they may have relocated, the property market feels heated, North Norfolk is still sweet shop money for those in the big smoke! For the avoidance of doubt I’m not suggesting only those from elsewhere misbehave, it could be those who were in bubbles on autopilot. I know whether someone is local or not by how they approached and passed me on single track country lanes yesterday, I went the main road way today.

[marshman]

Given what we now know from other websites and other NP's, the BA, aided and abetted by Broads Beat, will have to do some real head scratching to find reasons for locals not to be allowed to go out within the guidelines given. I cannot really see what more can be said.

I always thought it was particularly difficult to close tidal waters - I must be wrong.!!!!!!!

 

[JennyMorgan]

14 minutes ago, marshman said:

I always thought it was particularly difficult to close tidal waters - I must be wrong.!!!!!!!

It is indeed difficult. Especially when all advice, apart from that issued by the BA, is that it is entirely permissible. Several boats out on Oulton Broad today, no blue lights or heavy boots!

[marshman]

I don't really understand your bit about my being "selfish" MM? Even if I had it (which I didn't a few days ago) how can I possibly spread something I don't appear to have by being on my boat on my own, even if I wanted to go out, which incidentally, I don't!!! You talk about "whats coming" and if I get "caught" as though its illegal - where does it say retribution is just about to descend on me? Under what legislation do you think these disastrous penalties are going to be imposed? Not sure the Police will be too interested if I am winterising my boat, neither am I  sure under what bit of legislation I would be charged?

I am getting more confused by the minute!

[grendel]

its the problem with different circumstances, if its ok for you to go and do these things, then someone may well decide that if its ok for you to drive / walk a couple of miles to visit your boat, then someone will see that its ok for them to drive 10 miles, etc until we have people driving down to their boat from hundreds of miles away - it all starts with one small reasonable step, but then unreasonable people use that as a reason to do the unreasonable.

Thus if you were going to do it, just quietly get on and do it, rather than trying to justify it online, as its the justification that the unreasonable will use to visit their boat.

[grendel]

I know the legislation as worded doesnt restrict the distance you can travel, but the whole point of this lockdown is to restrict the possibilities for the virus to transfer between hosts and between areas.

[MauriceMynah]

Thank you Grendel, that sums it up nicely.

[Paladin]

55 minutes ago, grendel said:

I know the legislation as worded doesnt restrict the distance you can travel, but the whole point of this lockdown is to restrict the possibilities for the virus to transfer between hosts and between areas.

Wrong again. The previous Tier system of restriction was the one designed to reduce the spread between areas, with travel between Tier areas largely prohibited. The current legislation repealed those previous regulations and removed any restriction on geographical travel in England, subject to the reason for journey being within the NEW regulations. 

The aim of the new regulations isn’t to stop people travelling, it’s to reduce the number of purposes for which anyone can leave their homes. If it is for a permissible reason, any length of journey, to and from any part of England, is allowed.

 

[marshman]

I think that that is the trap the BA may have fallen into - they immediately assumed the second lockdown was the same as the first, but this one ALLOWS you to travel if you have a reason - if you were not, the whole economy would shut down again.

Thanks Pally for doing what you do - perhaps the BA will now revisit their earlier advice? Or perhaps not!!!!!!!!!

[Vaughan]

So a straight question please :

From what I am reading here it seems that my daughter can travel from home at Potter Heigham to Stalham where our boat is moored and where the boatyard is still open for business.  It also seems that if we were a national park, she could go out for the day in it.  But all of a sudden, the Broads is not a national park!

Have I got that right?

By the way, Potter to Stalham is a much shorter distance than she drives to work every day, in an A&E hospital in Gorleston!