Any info on this boat please?

[Guest]

Hi all, me and a friend are about to undergo a restoration project of the boat below, can anyone give any info on the boat any history? Make? Model? and how much it is worth with and without a running engine? It’s a steel hull with wooden top and is 25ft long. Thanks, Richard

[MBA Marine]

Restored its a very nice classic shaped cruiser, Good luck with that its some task. as to its current value i wouldnt like to say but no engine and current state i would be supprised if its worth as little as the scrap value of the steel hull.

[C.Ricko]

Will be a nice classic when done but looks a virtual rebuild, if you start with a shotblasted hull I recon £10k in materials and 600-900 hours should give you a boat worth £20k-£25K?

but who knows

I recon about £300 at the moment.

whats the engine?

[Antares_9]

Not sure about classic, to be classic I think a boat needs to be the equivalent of an E type or perhaps at least a Voleche, whereas most boats people call classics are really Consuls, Morris 1000s or Zodiacs, hardly groundbreaking, even the so called classic Hunters are just old, tired Morris Eights, nothing special at all, not as even if they were ground breaking like a Jowett Javelin or something. That is really just a boat that may or may not see the water again after an amount of money and more importantly a sum of hours disproportionate to it’s worth has been spent on it. But as Harry hill would say “Good luck with thatâ€. All that said I really and genuinely do hope you get it back in commission and enjoy using it.

[MBA Marine]

Not sure about classic, to be classic I think a boat needs to be the equivalent of an E type or perhaps at least a Voleche, whereas most boats people call classics are really Consuls, Morris 1000s or Zodiacs, hardly groundbreaking, even the so called classic Hunters are just old, tired Morris Eights, nothing special at all, not as even if they were ground breaking like a Jowett Javelin or something. That is really just a boat that may or may not see the water again after an amount of money and more importantly a sum of hours disproportionate to it’s worth has been spent on it. But as Harry hill would say “Good luck with thatâ€. All that said I really and genuinely do hope you get it back in commission and enjoy using it.

Is there a doom and gloom cloud over your head? Things that were built in the 30's-60's became classics by the 80's we are in the 2010's so i think we can accept a little classic status now on things from the 70's and 80's.

Enjoy the project.

[Antares_9]

No, simply not so only some things that were designed built in the '20s & 30's became classics although granted the Art Deco period produced more classics than may other eras, something is not a classic just because it is old, it has to have something special about it to be called classic in my mind, no doom cloud over my head, I'm really happy and hope that the boat sees the water again, just that I can't go with delusional behaviour.

[C.Ricko]

what about my Cortinas and Capris? they are classic but cirtainly not vintage. I think of some Mk3 escorts as classics Mk1 golfs etc.

How about the Ocean 30 or elysian 27/35 are they classics?

Or are they just historic?

[Antares_9]

Historic Clive, not classics in my view but then again I guess it's all perception, most people consider cars from their formative years to be classics but most cars were simply run of the mill production with huge numbers of variations on trim, engine size etc. I maintain that for something to be classic it has to have a major influence on design or engineering not just in it's own sphere but a wider influence on design & function generally, or to have been a real advance in design, hence I would consider the humble mini more of a classic than say a Capri.

[VetChugger]

Although the number does not show on Jim sheads site it may be worth contacting British Waterways and see if they have anything. Am I reading the name right as "Bruyere"?

[VetChugger]

And David, I disagree with your definition of "classic". I wouldn't hesitate for instance to call Freeman and Norman a "classic" brand. The term "classic" being earned by longevity of both the brand and the boats themselves. In the case of Norman it can be said that by introducing narrowbeam craft in affordable GRP created an access revolution to the waterways!

I admit I'm biased!

Trevor

www.normanboats.co.uk

[Antares_9]

In the case of Norman it can be said that by introducing narrowbeam craft in affordable GRP created an access revolution to the waterways!

Then we don't actually disagree Trevor, that's exactly the kind of thing I believe makes a classic, i.e. a real contribution.

[C.Ricko]

like the ground breaking low wash hull on the Horizon 35, now there's a classic

Wheres Horner with the link to the Wilds website

[Dan]

what about my Cortinas and Capris? they are classic but cirtainly not vintage. I think of some Mk3 escorts as classics Mk1 golfs etc.

How about the Ocean 30 or elysian 27/35 are they classics?

Or are they just historic?

Oh goodie... I think "classic" is very subjective & often linked to things you liked - therefore I think this could be a great thread for us all to scrap on!

I think the Capri is a classic, but a Cortina whilst perhaps legendary and very popular was nothing overly ground breaking to my mind.

I have quite fun memories of them as a nipper though.... waiting on the drive to see if Dad appeared with it out of the garage or if he would come storming back round and we'd all tumble back into the house and he'd try & start it again five minutes later! Eventually we'd all race off somewhere trying to make the time back once it had decided to start! I remember falling through from the back and hitting my head on the dashboard one time as well (which could explain a lot!) when I stood in the back between the two front seats and my father braked suddenly... safety? Hadnt been invented then.

Was going through some old pictures some time ago and was quite shocked to discover it had once made it to France and back... it used to object just going to the local village when I remember it!

Dan

[Dan]

like the ground breaking low wash hull on the Horizon 35, now there's a classic

Wheres Horner with the link to the Wilds website

Hmmm.... I think they have the definition of retro boxed off, but maybe that should be another thread!?

Dan

[Antares_9]

Did you photoshop the Lava Lamp out of the shot there Dan.

[Dan]

Did you photoshop the Lava Lamp out of the shot there Dan.

Errrm, I might have, I might have

On the subject of the boat in question... was there or some connection to or was it called a Charnwood?

Dan

[chipmorton]

talking of capris

my brother owed me £50

many years ago

but could not pay me

and gave me this capri

as payment

i was the oldest swinger in town

[Guest]

Dan love that pic

Jonny

[Dan]

Dan love that pic

Jonny

Have you noticed Jonny that what F.B.Wilds were using on their wall coverings in that picture from forty years ago is now what has become todays material of choice for flooring in all the hirefleets :naughty:

[C.Ricko]

Thats right Dan, and you will now see the carpet on the walls.

[Guest DAYTONA-BILL]

"Classics", now there`s a phrase?. Classic cars?, here are some of my examples of classic cars-

The original Mini

The VW Beetle

The Ford Transit

The BMW Isetta bubble car

The Ford Escort mk1

The Lotus Super 7

The Austin Maxi

The Ford Granada mk1

The Rover 2000

The Jaguar 2.4

Classics of whatever, are classics because of their emotiveness to the individual, which were the dream offerings of their youth. They are what takes you back, and stirs your soul. A bit like flares really, only you would`nt want to be seen wearing them now, but you always think back to your younger days when you see Jack Reagan and George Carter wearing them when climbing into their Ford Granada mk1 or Cortina mk3 and chasing the villians in a Jag 2.4 or Ford Transit. Now THAT IS a truly CLASSIC scenario.

[Guest]

Hi Dan, I can see your thinking on the Charnwood but I don’t think it is as the entrance to the boat is at the back.

For every one else - There is an engine in the boat weather it starts or not I don’t know the boat has been stood for about 25 years!

Richard

PS. A classic is my profile pic :

[Guest]

Right a bit of an update, The guy I was going to buy the boat off has got a friend to put it on e-bay which they is a bit of history to it BUT in the ad it says that it came out of the water 10 years ago this is a 100% lie its been stood on a patch of land near me for the past 25 years! Is there any way of reporting the seller to e-bay for false advertising!

I also noticed being a friends account it wouldn't surprise me if he bided against to up the price near the end of the auction... He also told my mate he was going to try and start the engine about a week ago I take it never started as there is no mention in the advert.

Thanks, Rich

[Antares_9]

You could report it, but why bother, the boat is what it is, whether it's been in the field for 10 or 25 years and you are quite fortunate in knowing the history and being able to inspect it easily to acertain just what you are bidding on, others will not have the luxury of that and consequentally will probably bid quite low if at all. Just bid what you feel it is worth to you and if you win, you win, good luck.

[MBA Marine]

I looked at the ad, an i would be supprised if it makes more than £300, its to heavy for easy transport and is a compleate basket case, even the good old bmc had stood in the elements for that long that it would need alot of attention before even tryin to spin it over (would expect a new starter needed at very least but most likley need the bores lubricating if its to spin without dammage) it realy is scrap value for anyone with a big enough machine to lift it, i cant see people rushing for it as a resteration project.