Fire Works

[Hylander]

I am going to have to choose my words carefully here.  No this is not about a row or similar.    Recently on  a Mediterranean  Island there has been very bad fires.    This has caused problems with tourism and a lot of damage to local people.    In Court the skipper of a yacht has admitted that they had set off fireworks in the vicinity and one had gone astray and landed inland.    He has taken full responsibility.

When we have dry weather here on the Broads I wonder if anyone thinks before setting off fireworks.    We were once moored at Tracey Arms and a large boat in front of us decided to have a firework display.     I can remember the dismay of Tony who owned the shop at the time worrying about his horses which were in fields nearby with the loud noise and flashing lights but I had not given consideration as to what happens when one astray and lands where it shouldn't.     Yes you could say a freak accident but to what consequence.

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[Meantime]

I think this could be a very short topic. In my opinion fireworks should be restricted to the week around firework night and then preferably restricted to licensed displays, and should not be used at any other time of the year.

However, the final word goes to the Broads Authority, or more importantly Byelaw 81.

Pyrotechnics

(1) No person shall light, discharge or detonate any fireworks, flare or pyrotechnic within the navigation area or on its banks, except for the purpose of signalling distress, without the express permission of the Authority.

(2) In giving its consent under this Byelaw, the Authority may impose such conditions as it thinks fit.

[Hylander]

Firstly that should read Stracey Arms.   I am so fed up with the predictive text, nothing to do with Tracey.     Thank you for your post Meantime.    Had we of realised about that Byelaw 81 ,  we would certainly have had a word.

 

 

[ChrisB]

I would be much more worried about the safe use ( or lack of it ) of disposable BBQs and their safe disposal.

Like a lot of things in life, there is nothing wrong with the article, it is the user.

Being widowed, I find them very convenient, and if used with a stand they will do no harm. I even use my stand on a teak garden table with no ill effects.

[ChrisB]

2 minutes ago, Hylander said:

Firstly that should read Stracey Arms.   I am so fed up with the predictive text, nothing to do with Tracey.     Thank you for your post Meantime.    Had we of realised about that Byelaw 81 ,  we would certainly have had a word.

 

 

You should be able to switch it off in settings.

[Hylander]

All looks very inviting, I must say.     Yes you are right it is the user with regard to BBQs.

[Hylander]

Thank you - I have just turned off goodness knows what , we will see what happens.

[YnysMon]

I agree with Meantime. As I child I recall people being advised to keep their pets indoors on firework night. Nowadays we know to do that on 5th November and New Year’s Eve, but what about all the other random times that people decide to let off fireworks for other celebrations such as birthdays. It’s just plain inconsiderate and unnecessary.

[Smoggy]

And then there's the idiots that practise incendiary flytipping! Sorry I mean chinese lanterns,  same thing really dumping stuff randomly while in flames.

And I really hate the sight of a balloon release, should all be classed as littering. 

[ChrisB]

1 hour ago, Hylander said:

Thank you - I have just turned off goodness knows what , we will see what happens.

Sorry I should have been more explicit in my reply. If you use a Samsung/Android device:- get the keyboard up as if replying to this post. Click on settings (the cog) and you will see predictive text with a on/off switch.

Not sure with Apple devices.

[Hylander]

Just now, ChrisB said:

Sorry I should have been more explicit in my reply. If you use a Samsung device:- get the keyboard up as if replying to this post. Click on settings (the cog) and you will see predictive text with a on/off switch.

Not sure with Apple devices.

What makes it worse this desk top is Android.       Anyway I have switched and fiddled so we will see if Stracey Arms can remain Stracey Arms as typed.    It is like the word Turkey which you have at Christmas I have had that altered to Turkiye many times.  

 

[dom]

17 minutes ago, Smoggy said:

And then there's the idiots that practise incendiary flytipping! Sorry I mean chinese lanterns,  same thing really dumping stuff randomly while in flames.

Chinese lanterns ought to have been banned long ago. It's not unheard of for them to land on horses or livestock, causing horrific injuries, or to ignite straw in fields or bale stacks.

Balloons are nearly as bad. It particularly annoys me when they're released as memorials - commemorating someone's passing by littering the countryside

[rightsaidfred]

3 hours ago, YnysMon said:

I agree with Meantime. As I child I recall people being advised to keep their pets indoors on firework night. Nowadays we know to do that on 5th November and New Year’s Eve, but what about all the other random times that people decide to let off fireworks for other celebrations such as birthdays. It’s just plain inconsiderate and unnecessary.

You have to be carefull when you mention this, there is now a double rule where the 11.00pm deadline only applies to some, if you complain to the authorities about them being let off in the small hours the answer you get is it is all part of certain religions and nationalities customs so it is ignored, it is a regular problem where I am.

Fred

[Meantime]

7 minutes ago, rightsaidfred said:

You have to be carefull when you mention this, there is now a double rule where the 11.00pm deadline only applies to some, if you complain to the authorities about them being let off in the small hours the answer you get is it is all part of certain religions and nationalities customs so it is ignored, it is a regular problem where I am.

Fred

Unless you're talking about The Broads, which really we are, then the Byelaw applies to EVERYONE, all religions and all occasions, even Guy Fawkes night. Basically it is not allowed for any reason without permission of the Broads Authority.

[Hylander]

And so it should.   Fed up with the one rule for one and one rule for another.   Bit like being back at work.

 

[rightsaidfred]

45 minutes ago, Meantime said:

Unless you're talking about The Broads, which really we are, then the Byelaw applies to EVERYONE, all religions and all occasions, even Guy Fawkes night. Basically it is not allowed for any reason without permission of the Broads Authority.

I am talking in London but as with all areas try and get a response outside office hours, I along with others had the same problem at Horning a few years ago.

I fully understand and agree with the reason for the Byelaw in regards to affecting signalling in an emergency but getting enforcement at the time of an occurrence is another thing.

Fred

[Meantime]

22 minutes ago, rightsaidfred said:

I am talking in London but as with all areas try and get a response outside office hours, I along with others had the same problem at Horning a few years ago.

I fully understand and agree with the reason for the Byelaw in regards to affecting signalling in an emergency but getting enforcement at the time of an occurrence is another thing.

Fred

Even with regards to London, despite what may have been inferred earlier, there is no double rule. There is only UK law which is clear on the subject. Fireworks must not be set off between 11pm and 7am. There are four defined exceptions to this law, which cover special occasions, some of which might be religious occasions, but the exception is for the celebration, not the religion. 

Bonfire night when the cut off is mid night.

New Years Eve, Diwali and Chinese New Year when the cut off is 1am.

Finally the Government advise checking with your local council for any local rules, in the case of Broadland, that would be the BA Byelaws which prohibit them at any time.

Again with regards to buying fireworks the law is clear, you should only be able to buy them for private use during these times.

15 October to 10 November

26 to 31 December

3 days before Diwali and Chinese New Year

 

[rightsaidfred]

1 hour ago, Meantime said:

Even with regards to London, despite what may have been inferred earlier, there is no double rule. There is only UK law which is clear on the subject. Fireworks must not be set off between 11pm and 7am. There are four defined exceptions to this law, which cover special occasions, some of which might be religious occasions, but the exception is for the celebration, not the religion. 

Bonfire night when the cut off is mid night.

New Years Eve, Diwali and Chinese New Year when the cut off is 1am.

Finally the Government advise checking with your local council for any local rules, in the case of Broadland, that would be the BA Byelaws which prohibit them at any time.

Again with regards to buying fireworks the law is clear, you should only be able to buy them for private use during these times.

15 October to 10 November

26 to 31 December

3 days before Diwali and Chinese New Year

 

With all due respect we all know what should apply in theory when it comes to the law, unfortunately what applies in practise is something else, I speak from personal experciance and having family in both the Police and local authority and the conditions they work under.

Fred