The crazy price of diesel.

[Broadsword]

Can you be sure he hasn't?

[senator]

come the revolution, sorry loss of derogation, Diesel will be £1.50 petrol £1.30

For broads use what difference does it make? I spend more on diesel for the car to get to the boat than I do on fuel for the boat. might put your boating bills up by £100 a year, in the mean time it is putting all your other bills up by substantialy more than that.

A recent report, not sure where from but they are all crap anyway, shows that the goverment could cut the fuel duty rate by 10p a litre without any loss of revenue from the budget, due to increased VAT take from the high price.

The perception of rich boat owners ensures that general concencious will never back those who choose to spend what cash they have left on a boat, after the goverment has generously given the rest to those that prefer not to work, which includes the various quango's milling around on expenses. The good news though is that the goverment now gives enough away for those not working to run a couple of cars a houshold so the high fuel tax is hitting them too, the bad news is that one of two things is going to happen, either fuel duty will drop or Mr Brown will have another dip in your pocket to give them some hardship petrol money, anyone care to guess?

Fact is Labour can't count and the Tory's don't care but at least if the country is in sound financial hands there is half a chance of getting improved services and even dare I say it the chance of deciding what you do with at least a little of the money you earn.

Unions can very quickly achieve higher working conditions but then just like in the rest of the real world they become power crazed monsters with no concept of the fact that company's only survive if they make a profit.

Labour have already lost the next election, providing the tory's keep stum about everything, on their return to power will they be getting rid of all the wealth creation schemes Labour have invented (tax's), don't hold you breath, will be a very long time yet before the country is back in shape so in the mean time the fact that Labour created the mess will be a good enough excuse to hold on to everything, lets face it Labour are still trying to blame the tory's 10 years on, but there will still be those that don't learn their lesson and when succesive elections come round the danger will always be present.

[Guest flanaguff]

Wowstrong opinions, and so polite so lets list some achievments of New Labour ie Pink tories!

!. Every winter in this the 4th richest nation on theplanet 24.000 pensioners DIE lets repeat that Die of hyperthermia

2.Prince Charlie is able to DECLINE to pay £150 million in corperation Tax

3 An unelected shower of bone idle parasites are costing us £200 million annually they never work aand have the audacity to pretend they care, whilst swanning around in their Palaces, when it comes to Royals the Rssians had exactly the right idea.

4. Gangster employers ignore Outdated weak Health &Safety legislation, hundreds killed every year, they are not liable to imprisonment[whilst simultaneously blackmailing annonymous royals results in custodial sentences] obviously this govt care?

5.Workers in this country have LESS working rights than anywhere else in wester europe.

6.Cross parliementary cttes in 2008 state that Fuel and energy costs are obscene, and most agree its the result of privatisation.

7.This Govt partake in 2 illegal wars,resulting in those foolish enough to join the forces in being used illegally, and increasingly being killed whilst so engaged.

I could go for ever,lets hope the lessons of history arnt ignored, the return of the Torys would be an absolute disaster for this nation, in the meantime us on the Left present the only hope of transforming this right wing infiltrating cabal New Labour back into a true socialist Party that will work for the entire nation and not a freeloading 2% of control freaks!

14 days then Rayall Diamond!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D

[Guest Hank]

Wowstrong opinions, and so polite so lets list some achievments of New Labour ie Pink tories!

!. Every winter in this the 4th richest nation on theplanet 24.000 pensioners DIE lets repeat that Die of hyperthermia

2.Prince Charlie is able to DECLINE to pay £150 million in corperation Tax

3 An unelected shower of bone idle parasites are costing us £200 million annually they never work aand have the audacity to pretend they care, whilst swanning around in their Palaces, when it comes to Royals the Rssians had exactly the right idea.

4. Gangster employers ignore Outdated weak Health &Safety legislation, hundreds killed every year, they are not liable to imprisonment[whilst simultaneously blackmailing annonymous royals results in custodial sentences] obviously this govt care?

5.Workers in this country have LESS working rights than anywhere else in wester europe.

6.Cross parliementary cttes in 2008 state that Fuel and energy costs are obscene, and most agree its the result of privatisation.

7.This Govt partake in 2 illegal wars,resulting in those foolish enough to join the forces in being used illegally, and increasingly being killed whilst so engaged

Under Labour I rest my case

[senator]

Ahh the Royals, always a great subject, well I have to admit the concept of a select few lording it over the rest of the country and collecting rather than paying tax (her Majesty's revenue and customs) may sit rather uneasily with anyone real, the fact still remains that they generate a higher income for the country than they cost, through tourism and foreign trade.

They give the country an air of stability and for those that are still allowed to be patriotic occasionaly, something to hold as a figure head, ask the question who would you rather sit at the top of the country, Gordon Brown or dear old Liz.

Shame the same can't be said of those that have grown up in a culture where the social state pays them to do nothing, except smash up a few bus shelters and suppliment there income with a spot of granny mugging.

There is and always will be plenty wrong with a democratic soverignty but what alternative model is there? Communism (soscialism) or a nice little dictatorship.

There is an overiding need to provide for those that can not provide for themselves, for those that have sacrificed limbs and liberty for their country or even their imediate family if they have paid the ultimate price. There is not a moral obligation to provide for those that just can't be bothered, British born or otherwise.

FACT, if there is no money in the pot then it becomes immposible to care for those that need it, you only need to look to the residents of those countrys that follow a different business model to see the proof.

Maggie added a third dimmension, a dictator answerable to the queen and voted for by the public. She had the strength of caricture to follow her decisions, right or wrong, she was what was needed to rescue the country from the mess accumilated by the outgoing goverment, fortunately things have not yet got that far this time but a strong hand at the tiller is needed. Someone who is not afraid to slash the number of people employed in so called public services and get on with putting them to work where they contribute to the ecconomic success of the country. only then will those that are left be in a posistion to right the wrongs of society and provide the care needed for those that deserve it, and who knows they may even be able to do it without employing double the number actually needed to do the job.

[Poppy]

"a democratic soverignty" AKA a dictatorship , a benign one perhaps, but a dictatorship none the less.

As for the high cost of fuel - there is undoubtedly a political element here. 70% , yes 70% of the cost of a litre of road fuel goes directly to the government in the form of duty and VAT ( at tax on a tax! ). It has risen to this disgusting level due to the effects of the fuel tax escalator put in place by the last Tory chancellor, and continued by 'Macbeth' Brown.

As for the ***** Thatcher - I believe that the Death penalty is still on the statute books for treason. In her destruction of the Trade Union movement through the removal of jobs, she made sure that there was no opportunity for mining to resume EVER again by ordering that the mines be not mothballed, but abandoned, thereby ensuring that the vast reserves of coal beneath Britain remain there - probably for all time. So What? So what is that the technology now exists (and has done for some time) to make oil from coal. When oil reached $80 a barrel, the process became economically viable, but only if the coal was locally available. Transport costs on top tipped the balance.

Thatcher did much that was good and needed, but like all dictators lost her head to the power with which she was vested.

Not only were mining jobs destroyed, but much of our manufacturing was exported to the Far East. We were told at the time, that we would find plenty of work in the Service and Finance Sectors. Now we find those opportunities going to off shore call centers as well

[Guest flanaguff]

Senator suggest you look at some facts regarding YOUR pet Germans www.republic.org.uk/blog or republic@republic.org

Poppy your right 300 years supply of coal underground sealed in CRIMINALLY by the Bitch as you describe her.

See everyone ignores the HOLOCAUST of the OAPs!!!!!!!!!!!!WHY 24000 murders a year UNIMPORTANT??

Note Her Maj demonstates her CONCERN !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Guest]

should keep you busy 3 Ways to Lower Gas Prices

[Guest Hank]

excellent post johnny

[senator]

Sorry Flanaguff, your obviously right as a republican forum has published ideas, not facts as to the Royals not paying there way, That is not to say that I advocate a Royal family at all but at the same time I can see no good reason for getting rid of them, short of jealousy. There are throughout all walks of life those that prosper from others, the chap who founded NCP car parks runs the most luxurious super yacht on the seas, well he used to don't know if it is still, when do you think he last collected tolls from the little hut.

The Royals from what I can see don't do a great deal other than provide a speach to sleep through after Christmas dinner and chat a lot to flowers but as an institution they do keep Britan on the map, lets face it we are tiny in size and not very good at anything as a country other than inventing things, the countrys wealth to establish it as the 4th richest econnomy in the world came from the defence of the relm, ok it involved pilaging lots of other countrys but we did give them back once we had taken what we wanted.

Can I ask what car either you or Poppy drive? bet if you were to go back to the good old days of British Leyland that wonderfull unionised institution it was an allegro or something simular, and also bet you spent many a happy winters morning watching the Japanese motors go by, whether it was because you worked there and were on strike over soft loo roll or because you had broken down is another thing.

Rover didn't fold because it was in private hands it folded because it made the most unreliable cars on the road, the pheonix rip off is another story, when ford walked into jaguar they declared it the worst car plant outside of Russia and the only way they managed to do anything was to destroy the unions holding on to outdated practices and wielding far to much power.

Oil would not be recoverable from coal at a viable price because coal miners would be on £3000 a week for 20 hours left to the unions, why do you think at the time of the closures it was already cheaper to ship coal half way round the world than it was to dig it out from under Yorkshire.

Unions are just as guilty of excess as any of the rich list, the difference being they represent too high a percentage of the country for it to be possible to support, I would agree that there are country's that have a good union model and maintain good relations with there employers but they are heavily limited as to what they can actually do.

Yes 24000 pensioners a year dying of hypothermia is totaly unaceptable in any developed country, doing something about it requires money, money that needs to be generated from somewhere and despite it's flaws private business is proven to be the best way of doing this and private business can only survive if it makes a profit, preferably a big enough one to allow its head to buy that super yacht or whatever takes his fancy. trouble is all those that then work for it shout not fair we want one too.

And no I do not own a company although I did and I found out the hard way it was not a license to print money, I work as a fixed income wage slave, just one who has tasted the grass the other side of the fence. I have though, be it by luck or otherwise always worked to support myself and my family, be it as a farm labourer, a fruit picker, a site worker away from home, or whatever I needed to do, each one to a private employer who earned substantialy more from my efforts than I did.

Jonny, great post and totaly correct.

[Guest flanaguff]

Jonny theres food for thought there PUNISH the speculators for a start, i will second that!

Senator Republic publishes facts, try reading some of them!

1. The most popular Royal attraction is Windsor Castle,not even in the top ten UK attractions! The top attraction in Windsor Lego Land!

2. A senior royal aids quote "the Windsors are very good at appearing busy doing 3 engagements a week for 5 months of the year"

3. Prince Phil "did anyone seriously imagine that we would ALLOW the mother of the future King to marry the Son of of a Bedouin Camel dealer?"

British Leyland failed because various managements refused to re-invest in manufacturing processes, the Unions played no part in its demise, their failure was not convincing Govt to have the business managed correctly, no union profits by closing businesses! BL never made a penny profit on the Mini a world beating concept at the time why? appalling managment! Crap heaps such as the Allegro etc were nothing less than an embarrasement, designed and manufactured under the direction of the idiots that managed the company!

Digging coal out of Deep mines as in the UK is of course more expensive than scraping it off the ground as in Aus or even Venezuala, mind you the last mentioned had an advantage at the time, no unions and child labour thats nothiong to worry about though is it i m all right jack!

What you conveniently forget about coal mining is that its vicious destruction was based purely on political spite, not economics! the ex mining areas are now production deserts, the on cost to this nation in un-employment benefits social service costs and the associated destruction of mining servicing industries is catastrophic vast areas of no-hope territory. all down to spite!

FACT of the TOP 100 companies in the Ftse index 96 of them have recognition agreements with Unions,hardly a destuctive example?

Unionisation is always progressive, sensible managments recognise the benefits, and they are many! the abusers and exploiters scream so what ,we wont be stopped!

Fact you are 50% more likely to be KILLED in a non union enviroment than in an organised enviroment.

The pensioners 24000 murderd every year! the cure easy increase income tax! and why NOT? at the moment the cleaner of a top investment banker pays more tax than her £4million a year boss! I reckon thats CRIMINAL! Would you object to paying £5 a week to stop this obscenity? I wouldnt! at it would cost less than that to re-establish the index link so callously removed by the BITCH!!

13 days to go!

[Guest flanaguff]

Sorry Pete had seen the expression used previously uncensored, of course forgot that this site probably gets hits from youngsters, there will be no repetition!

[Guest flanaguff]

Course not!!!!!!!!!!! should have known better, but that creature errrrrrrrgh

[johnm]

Now, ignoring the diatribes, what was that about the cost of diesel?

Simple answer.........

[Guest Hank]

Simple answer it's going to get higher

[Antares_9]

Not sure the cost of diesel should be seen as such a big issue when taken against overall boating costs for the quantity used by most broads boaters. Just ask yourself how much you use each year.

[Guest flanaguff]

Wind power, good idea! never done any sailing myself looks difficult, and with only one or two weeks, maybe next year?Royalls offer a 12ft copyu i bung an outboard on it! next year might try the sailing bit,presumanly i can do atraining course in london then try it up in Norfolk?

Talking of wind power I Have done quite a lot of gliding, quiet, exhilirating, challenging, cheap no way! If you get the chance give it a try carefull though its contagious!

[pks1702]

As we appear to be exchanging political views and to 'even' up the left leaning slant of a number of posts

have a look at this piece from Richard Littlejohn from today.

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"What is it with these people? First, Veggie Benn tells us that taking out a second mortgage to pay for a gallon of petrol is good for the soul.

Then the equally absurd Caroline Flint, a senior NCO in Labour's monstrous regiment of women, suggests the way to beat the credit crunch is for us to sell our houses to the council and rent them back.

Sometimes, as I believe I may have observed in the past, it is difficult to know where to start.

Only in New Labour La-La Land is the thought of people having to pay thirty bob for a litre of unleaded A Good Thing.

No doubt as Benn is chauffeured from muesli breakfast to tofu dinner in a gas-guzzling government limo, he reclines in the back seat and congratulates himself on all the polar bears being saved by the rampant spivvery in the oil futures casino and his own government's tax gluttony.

This is cost-free compassion at its most disgusting. There's nothing ministers enjoy more than salving their own consciences at the public's expense.

Of course, all this caring for the planet/Third World poor/blah blah never comes at any personal cost to politicians themselves.

Gordon Brown cheerfully pours £800 million of our money into the Swiss bank accounts of African tyrants so he can have his picture taken with Nelson Mandela.

So it's hardly surprising that barmy Benn - living proof that the apple rarely falls far from the tree - thinks that making motorists suffer for the sake of the Great Global Warming Lie is a price worth paying.

After all, he doesn't have to pay it, any more than he has to pick up the bill for a plasma telly from John Lewis.

Meanwhile, Westminster's Village Idiots are peddling the line that we are to be spared another 2p rise in petrol tax because Gordon really, really feels our pain.

We are supposed to fall to our knees, genuflecting in the direction of Downing Street, in humble gratitude at this act of generosity - which we are told will 'cost' the Treasury billions.

For a start, it won't 'cost' the Treasury anything. It's our money. Why the hell should we give thanks that the Government has decided to confiscate a few coppers less?

The Treasury has already raked in an extra £5 billion as a result of the rocketing price of petrol. Foregoing another 2p a litre scarcely amounts to hardship. We won't be seeing Alistair Darling begging in Whitehall with a mangy dog on a piece of string just yet.

However, the boys in the bubble think that this is what passes for 'news'.

Which brings us to Caroline Flint. Only in the Wonderful World of Westminster would this old boiler be considered something of a sex symbol.

I guess if you spent your life looking at Margaret Beckett and Ann Widdecombe, you would start to fantasise about Caroline Flint.

But frankly, she's always struck me as a hatchet-faced hag in need of a good wash. You'd have to drag her through a sheep dip full of Swarfega before I'd climb over Pole Dance Polly to buy her a candlelit supper. The ugliness comes from the inside, as it does with most of these gormless harridans.

But I can only assume she must be there for her looks. Because her brains aren't up to much.

Her Big Idea for solving the rising cost of mortgages is for people to sell their homes to the council under a 'rent-back' scheme.

Where does she think the councils are going to get the money from?

And was she too busy pouring lighter fuel on her Wonderbra at Greenham Common to notice that one of Mrs Thatcher's most popular policies was selling off council houses?

Only someone who has her mortgage interest and grocery bills met by the British taxpayer could possibly think that anyone who has scrimped and saved to buy their own home would voluntarily submit themselves to the tyranny of the Town Hall.

Most of us would rather repair to a cardboard box at the back of a pissoir.

I've remarked before on Labour's Back To The Future tendency. Thirty years ago, they were kicked out because the rubbish bins weren't emptied during the Winter of Discontent.

Now it's official policy not to collect the rubbish. And a quarter of a century after the Thatcher revolution, which enabled millions to become owner-occupiers, Labour's housing minister proposes turning Britain back into one giant council estate.

Where do they find these people?"

[senator]

Hi Perry, Was feeling a little out numbered for a while.

was going to answer the would you give £5 in tax to save a pensioner from hypothermia with a catogoric no, after all I already pay plenty to ensure that that doesnt happen and £5 in tax is just more money for them to waste.

would I give £5 to save a pensioner if it was actually going to end up in their gas meter, of course I would.

The social state is far bigger than the country can afford to pay for, so until the civil service is halved in size I do not want to pay another penny in tax. Labour have always overspent on social payments without achieving anything except totaly killing the country, the current mess is just history repeating itself and it will take the incoming goverment many years to sort it out again, probably just in time for Labour, new or old, to mess it up again.

[pks1702]

Agree Ian,

Comrade Gordon's so called economic miracle is biting him up the backside!

The 'miracle' was nothing more than spending fueled by cheap money, any one with any economic nous knew it would come back to bite us at some stage. Gordon was happy to pat himself on the back and take the accolades for a job well done, but now his miracle is in tatters its not his problem but a globally caused one

Most economists looking at tax revenues and balance of payments estimate this government should have been able to 'put away' £10 billion per year in the 'good times' of the last 10 years for a rainy day; they didn't and as a result instead of being able to use that rainy day money to re inflate the economy the coffers are bare. What many overlook is that when Labour came to power there was a significant balance of payments surplus. Tax revenues are now falling as a result of lower company profits, unemployment and low housing sales. Estimates are that stamp duty taxation revenue will have halved by next month.

Lets not forget they can't even manage there own cash the party are 21 million in debt and have canceled their spring conference as they can't afford it. The unions are now baling them out more than ever before, no such thing as a free lunch.

I in principle object to someone taking more money from me and thinking they can spend it better than I can when in fact the money that has been taken has been wasted. Would you trust a bank manager with the financial track record of this lot I think not.

[Poppy]

The social state is far bigger than the country can afford to pay for, so until the civil service is halved in size I do not want to pay another penny in tax. Labour have always overspent on social payments without achieving anything except totaly killing the country, the current mess is just history repeating itself and it will take the incoming goverment many years to sort it out again, probably just in time for Labour, new or old, to mess it up again.

Half agree Senator - we are overburdened with "public paper pushers" in this country - if that were addressed, we could afford both to appropriately increase social spending and cut taxes. Alas, I fear it will never happen. When did turkeys last vote for Christmas? The Broads Authority is a classic example - 30 staff in total with the old GYPHC, now 170 (and growing I fear) in the halls of Colgate!

The Health Service is another Classic example. Its 'Management' has grown exponentially since reorganization by the B**** Thatcher, and each change along the road has served only to worsen things. Politicians order Managers to address the problem, and to ensure that more money goes to the coal face, and the first thing that is done is to employ more ' public paper pushers' to manage the change.

[Guest flanaguff]

Lets get it straight you are critiscising New Labour, Thatcher GREATEST creation she said!

Have we flogged this to death, most have lined left or right?

So you wont pay £5 a week more tax aweek to help save 24000 pensioners! and you sleep at night?

13 days and then im on the broads,forget all this, then TUC,New Labour congresses, and ditch Brown??

Latest rumour Blair makes a comeback,what you reckon?

New Labour 21million in debt, one thing for sure the GMB aint bailing these pink Torys out, unless they turn LEFT and save the Nation, obviously Tory policies dont work weve had them for 13 years

[pks1702]

aint bailing these pink Torys out, unless they turn LEFT and save the Nation,

See told you there was no free lunch :-D

Zanu Gnu Labour have taken a sight more than an additional £5 per week off me over their term so I've paid my dues. If they have not passed that on to this worthy cause but blown it then that's down to them. A bit like complaining your bank account is empty when you have just spent all your funds on frivolous luxuries. I would be happy to pay my taxes to a ring fenced pot but no extra to the next hair brained waste of time.

[Guest Paul t]

The 'miracle' was nothing more than spending fueled by cheap money, a

Hang on here who actually provided the cheap money? It certainly wasn,t the Governement printing huge wads of cash because as anyone with economic nous would realise that this would lead to hyper inflation and not the current levels of around 4%. No it was our freinds in the Banking industry, suckered into a grossly over inflated housing market, who then relaxed stringent lending rules and lent money (thanks to low interest rates) recklessly. And who pitched in ? We all did ,borrowing against property on the assumption that house prices only went one way, upwards!! Alas not. Amazing a Labour Governemnt having to bail out a high street bank (Clem Atlee will be spinning in his grave!!)

Typically British , point the figure of blame at Government, Johnny Foreigener or anyone else, but always absolve ourselves from blame, i,m sorry we (or some of us) have contributed to this mess and need to accept this.

The World is tilting to the East (India , China) and when Hug A Hoody Dave charges over the hill to repair this wrecked and fractured economy i fear an awful blooding!!

Paul

[pks1702]

Paul,

Ask yourself who oversees banks and financial institutions - its the FSA a government body.

How competent are they - Northern Rock and Equitable Life! - I rest my case.

The FSA have the power to moderate lending policy if the government wanted them to. You are right many people have borrowed but anyone who thinks house prices only rise or borrows beyond their means is foolish but in their defence the policies of lending institutions have been 'selling' them a dream which could not fail - could it?

As for David Cameron I am not a whole hearted fan but I do believe that things would improve under him - they can't be any worse.