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3 minutes ago, JennyMorgan said:

It's the WWII Spitfire hanger that I always found fascinating about Martham's sheds. A place that is full of Broads history and amazing junk.

I thought I read somewhere that the Westland Lysander used that area also for SOE?

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39 minutes ago, BroadScot said:

I thought I read somewhere that the Westland Lysander used that area also for SOE?

cheersIain

Fairly close, but no connection with Martham's sheds.

The Lysanders used for ferrying SOE agents into occupied Europe used "The Island" formed by the dykes between the Thurne and Horsey Mere. It was very remote with only the Martham swing bridge pontoon for foot access.

Martham WW2.jpg

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3 hours ago, Strowager said:

Fairly close, but no connection with Martham's sheds.

The Lysanders used for ferrying SOE agents into occupied Europe used "The Island" formed by the dykes between the Thurne and Horsey Mere. It was very remote with only the Martham swing bridge pontoon for foot access.

Martham WW2.jpg

More, but not much, info here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heigham_Holmes

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8 hours ago, JennyMorgan said:

Bit more info here:

http://www.heritage.norfolk.gov.uk/record-details?uid=MNF25538

I remember seeing the TV program, interesting stuff. WWII ended only 70 yrs ago, so much history already lost.

I'm surprised that the researchers were concerned at not finding proof of an airstrip.

If I wanted a secret WW2 base for Lysanders, (that would be plainly visible to daytime enemy reconnaissance aircraft), I'd have just left it as a flat field with minimal civilian looking buildings.

The destinations of all the clandestine flights were just small fields at night, so the Lysander's 300 yard take off run was very undemanding.

Even the Aircraft geeks have searched for more info on Lysanders at Heigham on their specialist forums, like

WW2 Talk Forum - SOE Airfield

Heigham from the air.jpg

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Strow You might find this LIDAR information useful. Similar to geophys except done by plane firing a laser at the ground. Has the ability to strip away vegetation to 'see' geology and archaeology beneath it. The data is FREE for personal use only available from the the Environment Agency.

http://www.geostore.com/environment-agency/survey.html#/survey?grid=TG42 

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Is that only PC Tim? I can't get it on my iPad.

Mods, please can we have a Broads Archaeology section within History or somethings? This is fascinating and only apparent to those looking at 'Osmisis' another kind of hole but not the archeological kind.    A psychologist would have a field day on here! :D

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9 hours ago, Timbo said:

Strow You might find this LIDAR information useful. Similar to geophys except done by plane firing a laser at the ground. Has the ability to strip away vegetation to 'see' geology and archaeology beneath it. The data is FREE for personal use only available from the the Environment Agency.

http://www.geostore.com/environment-agency/survey.html#/survey?grid=TG42 

Thanks for the link Timbo.

I'm not quite sure how to drive it though. I zoomed in and found the airstrip was covered at 1m res, and then downloaded the 97mb zip filled with numbered flash files, but my Adobe Flash then displayed them as text coordinates.

I have to admit that Flash is not something I ever learnt to use.

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41 minutes ago, Strowager said:

Thanks for the link Timbo.

I'm not quite sure how to drive it though. I zoomed in and found the airstrip was covered at 1m res, and then downloaded the 97mb zip filled with numbered flash files, but my Adobe Flash then displayed them as text coordinates.

I have to admit that Flash is not something I ever learnt to use.

usually with these type of map tiles the results are displayed in a mapping type software, that displays the map tile at the correct location.

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looking at their FAQ it seems the lidar data can be imported into CAD (only some of the CAD packages allow this) I can say that most people should be able to get a student copy of autocad for free, I would suggest autocad Map as this will probably be most compatible with the data.

I might have a play later if I get some time, but I have a waterpump leak to sort out on the car as soon as I can get to the shop to buy the gasket compound ( the manual said you dont need any, but after fitting it yesterday its pouring water out around the gasket, so I guess it does.)

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While Grendel sorts out his water pump...here's a link to some of the Map Data on FlckR for the EA stream

https://www.flickr.com/photos/environmentagencyopensurveydata/map

I use the data in a different way in that...I ring up the EA and order up 'hard copies' of the data and after paying a couple of quid or nothing depending on the detail of the information I've requested they send me via email photographs of the requested location. This is because I'm a non technical idiot. There used to be a method whereby you sent an email to request information, declare you were not using the information for financial gain, and they would send you the images through. I passed on some lidar info to the Luddham History Group I think.

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Tim, looking at the data in the jpg map on flikr ( Click on "Search the map".
Filter search by selecting "Environment Agency Survey Open Data's items" only.
Filter results by using one or more of the following Tags: DSM, DTM, 2m, 1m, 50cm, 25cm.
Points will only be displayed for images that appear in the scrollable photo bar that appears at the bottom of the screen. More LIDAR images may be available by scrolling along the bar.)

it looks like the area covered falls short of the area of interest -

TG4420_DSM_25cm

Though that could possibly be a runway in the field just up from the bottom next to the river.

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There is much more data available...or there was. For some reason only data considered to be of relevance to matters of flooding is released now. Last year I managed to secure the lidar for St Benet's as well as that for the Iron Age causeway running behind the church. I'm currently moving my office and building new data storage but as soon as I have everything up and running again I will hunt out the images.

Could I second Polly's request for an archaeology section? Norfolk is at the forefront of an enlightened attitude to archaeology, it's small finds unit one of the best and proactive in the country. It also plays host to digs conducted by some of the best archaeology units in Europe, Cambridge and Birmingham Universities just two, which are currently rewriting not only local history but national history.

Those familiar with my pet niggle of 'The Great Estuary Theory' may just be getting a glimpse of just exactly how the common conception of history is often in error or is under 'review'. For example there are very few that talk in terms of an 'invasion of Angles and Saxons' any more...even the Claudian Invasion is starting to be thought of as a request for occupation with help from native tribes.

Incidentally anyone wanting to see an example of 'poor archaeological interpretation' take a look at the latest offering on the BBC iPlayer covering the South West of England, particularly the first report. Here's a prime example of a misguided fool drawing conclusions unsupported by fact.

Although retired my interest in archaeology is still keen. Once Royal Tudor is back in the water in the next few weeks I will be investigating the River Smale between the 'Roman'? ford and Barton Broad. Just for my own jolly.

 

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