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36 minutes ago, CeePee1952 said:
One of the more acceptable snacks was processed cheese (commonly known as "cheese possessed"!) with tinned jam spread over it between two slices of army bread!!
Maybe you were just ahead of your time? Blackberry jam and cheese is popular in toasted sandwiches in the US these days - often with added bacon and/or jalapenos.
I tried it out of curiosity recently. It's not the worst thing I've eaten.
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9 hours ago, Smoggy said:
There's one like that on rgo near Barford power station, I recon it could be the same one.
He comes from around that way somewhere. He'd come downstream, but got stuck below Offord because the water level changed and the bridge clearance was too low. Seems he was just going to sit at the lock landing until it dropped again.
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24 minutes ago, webntweb said:
Does it count if its used outside?
Absolutely. Anything like that should be made from aluminium composite cladding, like this beauty.
I'm not a huge fan of the curtains either end though.....
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Patents have to be registered, but copyright can be established more easily.
Back in the days when Blakes and Hoseasons dominated, there'd be a page or two in brochures with a list of pennants. If someone ever stole another yard's branding, the original owner would be able to prove the fact quite easily by simply showing the brochure for a preceeding year. As that's the case, there would never be a need for any sort of registration, and there never was any as far as I'm aware.
Apart from anything else, yards with the same agency generally got along really well, helping each other out on a regular basis. There were distinct loyalties and definite competition, but never any real animosity that I ever saw, even between yards from different agencies. At the end of the day, breakdowns were common and if one happened to occur on a wild mooring near a yard with another agency, you'd still want to be able to borrow a slipway to launch a dinghy or similar.
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20 minutes ago, wooster said:
I was reflecting that if I worked really, really hard on it all the time I was on it, and even if I knew what I was doing, and chucked some £ into it, it might end up looking alright in time for my departure from this life imitating admission to a care home: whichever comes first!
You might say I’m a bit tee’d off
Never forget, the point of a boat is to sit on board looking outwards, not to sit on the bank staring in.
In an ideal world, owning a pristine and immaculate boat is a worthy aspiration - but don't let that be an obstacle to enjoying the nature and environment of the Broads. It's all to easy to get drawn into a situation where owning a boat becomes like a job, so you miss the important things.
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12 hours ago, Smoggy said:
A short term submersion is not a problem to the grp, wooden bulkheads can be another matter as some boats use mdf these days.
Anyone using MDF on a boat needs throwing overboard, along with those using OSB and softwood tongue and groove.
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1 hour ago, William92 said:
I've heard GFRP is prone to absorbing water and losing integrity over time - is this a) something I have heard correctly, and b) something that may be accelerated by what this cruiser has gone through?
A hole/immersion/repair should make no difference to its longevity whatsoever, assuming its done competently. The only way GRP will absorb water is through osmosis which takes very prolonged exposure to water.
If anything, it'll probably be stronger, as a yard would generally give a hole a pretty heavy layup, so that part of the hull will be thicker than the rest.
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10 minutes ago, Broads01 said:
That may be slightly optimistic. I've hired a 35 a couple of times and it was 6'10''-6'11".
I suspect there's probably a fair bit of variation, depending on who fitted them out and with what equipment.
Summercraft fitted out a couple of 35s, which seem to sit lower in the water than some others. I suspect it's down to the fact they built them properly with better floor bearers, bulkheads, etc. The one down at Beccles which no-one seems to want to buy seems the opposite - pretty flimsily thrown together and seems to sit very high on the water.
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58 minutes ago, Smoggy said:
Shafts, ms4a gearboxes.
I've only seen those engines on outdrives before now. Must be a bit of a squeeze height wise.
Have you got much space in the rear lazarette, or is it all taken up by fuel tanks?
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There are no lists that I'm aware of. I think the Alphacraft 42cc is usually quoted around 6'8"
@NeilB can probably give a more definitive answer.
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1 hour ago, Smoggy said:
2x 150hp volvo tmd41a's
Are you on outdrives?
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10 minutes ago, kpnut said:
I’m going to look up the lanes etc round that area and do some more exploring in the future.
If you go up the opposite bank, you can get to Holbeach Range and walk along the edge of the area the RAF use for bombing practice. Sutton Bridge isn't the most exciting of areas though, not least because there's no real beaches, just miles of mud. I'd tend to come inland a bit and take a look around the Downham Market area, where you've got things like Shouldham Warren and the Great Ouse. Alternatively, head up around Hunstanton, which is much more interesting with some beautiful coastline. I love the area around Sandringham and Anmer and there's some great woodland for walking dogs, which is stunning in Rhododendron season.
King's Lynn is a real dichotomy. One one hand, it has some horrendous social issues. On the other, the bit around the quay has some of the most amazing history to match anywhere in the country. If you're a reader, there's a book called 'For The King' by Evelyn Tidman, which gives a fictional narrative of real life Nicholas L'estrange in the siege of Lynn in the English Civil War. It gives you a lot of historical information in a way which is much more engaging. The L'estranges very nearly changed the course of the civil war. They're all buried in Old Hunstanton church. Alice L'estrange is often viewed as a pioneer of feminism born 400 years too early.
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As you say, it's a bit of a long shot.
To try and shorten the odds, do you have any idea of the area where they moored? Or the type/style of boat?
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1 hour ago, Paladin said:
I was simply responding to the context that you provided, should a boat run aground on Breydon Water. And I don't recall anyone here suggesting belligerence.
The context was belligerence and someone refusing to follow an instruction to put on a jacket. Your response changed that to stupidity, ie. someone crossing Breydon without lifejackets on board, which is an entirely different thing.
It's unavoidable that BA should have to deal with the latter. They shouldn't have to deal with the former and there should be legal frameworks in place to make sure they don't have to, or have legal recourse if forced to.
1 hour ago, Paladin said:While hire boats are equipped with sufficient lifejackets for the crew as part of the hire requirements, private boats have no such requirements.
Pleasure boats over 45ft crossing Breydon are Class VII vessels operating in category C waters, so under MSN 1676, are required to have "a lifejacket appropriate for every person on board" which "must be fitted with a lifejacket light".
Those below 45ft are not subject to any formal requirements, but common sense says you'd do so - not least because, if the worst happens and you're involved in a serious incident, a court might ask you to justify why you thought it was safe to adhere to a lower standard. That's assuming you can't accept the simpler premise not to do anything to put another person in any form of risk.
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42 minutes ago, wooster said:
I hear what you say about hire boats not having had many aggressive cleanings. Is this pretty much standard? Part of me feels that when they are sitting over winter the boatyard might be tempted to use their labour to do just that.
My experience only relates to a couple of yards which did more than average to look after appearance during the course of the season, so may differ from others. In general, it was always the case that boats got a good scrub with something lightly caustic. Jif was always popular - I swear it was slightly coarser before it's renaming to Cif, but still pretty gentle. Full on polishing generally only happened fairing in gelcoat repairs.
I think full polishing has become a lot more common in recent years, probably due to the reduced cost of all the things required to do it and better quality polishes. I think smaller yards also tend to do it more often, as they keep older boats going for longer by necessity, because there simply aren't the boat numbers there once were.
Hire boats also tend to get a lot of issues like star crazing, from being slammed into quay headings, so yards would probably use spare winter labour to paint, rather than polish. That's assuming there's any labour to spare. Most of it got used up routinely with things like antifouling, servicing running gear, etc.
I can only recall seeing one boat with gelcoat blown through in recent years. Surprisingly, it was a Storebro, which you tend to associate with heavy GRP layup. The damage was however on a roof area which I suspect had also been walked on a lot over the years.
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As far as I'm aware, there's no way of knowing how thick your gelcoat is.
Gelcoat is originally fairly thick - enough to tolerate wet sanding and polishing. It'll tolerate polishing quite a lot of times before you blow thorough it and hire boats probably get aggressive polishing pretty infrequently. More often than not, you tend to have the opposite problem, ie. a lot of polishers won't be aggressive enough to remove heavy oxidation. Professionals tend to use aggressive higher speed rotary polishers, rather than more forgiving dual action ones.
I suspect you'd be very unlucky to find it's so thin that a single polishing cuts through, but obviously that's no guarantee you won't. I'd use the finest polish you can to start with and work up if it's ineffective.
Ultimately, you've probably got to give it a go sooner or later. Otherwise, you've got to live with substandard and worsening finish - and worst case, if you do blow through, painting the superstructure is less of a negative thing if the hull is already painted. The other thing to do would be to hand polish, which is extremely unlikely to cut through, but less effective and obviously far harder! You could also use something like Meguiars Cleaner Wax, which is a mix of polish and wax, but very soft cutting.
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23 minutes ago, Meantime said:
I cannot remember if there is a public right of way through the yacht station but you see enough members of the public taking a stroll along there. How do you regulate for that?
There's a sign on the fence at the entry saying private, no right of way.
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23 minutes ago, Paladin said:
Ranger: Put a lifejacket on, or we won't rescue you.
Private boat owner: Sorry, I don't have a life jacket on board.
Ranger: Then we can't rescue you, and we'll prosecute you for refusing to obey an order that is physically impossible for you to comply with.
Really?
That's an entirely different context to the one being discussed. Stupidity and belligerence are two different things.
Rangers have to deal with the first. They shouldn't have to deal with the latter.
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12 minutes ago, ExSurveyor said:
Is it not possible to make the use of the Yacht station conditional on the wearing of life jackets for crew on deck. It is a charged for facility.
That is in effect exactly what I'm suggesting.
They manage to collect fees fine, despite staff only being there for limited hours. I suspect the rangers on site are probably keener than anyone to prevent any further incidents, so would probably happily explain the need to hirers.
I suspect, in reality, if someone in uniform told them to do so, they'd generally be compliant. The only difference is the tone of voice and telling them they have to, rather than recommending they do so. In my experience, the majority are nervous of doing something wrong, so easily persuaded.
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10 minutes ago, Paladin said:
But I still don't think the wearing of lifejackets comes within the power of the rangers to issue an ORDER.
I suspect if you ran aground on Breydon, then refused to wear a jacket after being instructed to do so, a court would very likely levy a fine using S.68(1) of the byelaws.
It's unreasonable to put rangers in a position where they have to choose between leaving people on the boat, or a high risk rescue without lifejackets. If the above isn't true, the byelaws probably need changing to address this.
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5 minutes ago, Paladin said:
As master of my vessel, I am responsible for the safety of it and its crew. I am always prepared to listen to advice, but then I make my own judgement as to its quality and relevance, based on two and a half decades of boat ownership. But I will not be ordered to do something by anyone who lacks the authority to issue that order. It is my firm belief that an order to wear a lifejacket given by a ranger would not come within the remit of the Navigation Byelaws.
Getting on for 40 years ago, I went on a tallship sailing trip. At the beginning of the trip, during the safety briefing, the skipper advised "Don't fall overboard. If you do, by the time we turn around and get back to you, you'll be dead".
Tidal waters are very different to the nice calm upstream rivers and I think GYYS is much the same. The biggest hazard is how rapidly you can be pulled away from safety. I've done some safety boat training in the past and even with a decent RIB, I wouldn't want to have to rescue someone from the Lower Bure with a full ebb tide running.
If you're an experienced and responsible skipper, then a ranger wouldn't be able to tell your crew to don jackets on deck around GYYS. They'll already be wearing them. If they're not, I'd respectfully suggest letting them decide for themselves whether or not to listen to the advice.
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35 minutes ago, catcouk said:
I like to think I'm pretty savvy when it comes to lifejacket safety but I've never worn them for boarding and leaving the boat once it's moored. However, I probably would do at GYYS due to the notorious tides and currents but don't want to lug it round with me all the time. If I'd known they had secure storage ashore, I would definitely have worn my lifejacket - I never knew they were available. Where exactly are they?
Thank you - this is de facto proof of the point I was trying to get across.
Grendel actually first brought it up in December, which was what prompted me to think of it the second I heard about the latest incident. BA posted a response towards the end of the thread, but didn't mention the exact location. They can't be hard to find though - it's not exactly like the place is massive!
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2 minutes ago, Mouldy said:
So to enforce a byelaw, surely one has to be seen by someone with the authority to enforce it?
On that note, I rest my case.
I'm not sure it's the best case. Seems to be largely "do nothing, accept people might drown", despite having people on site who could enforce a stricter rule for 9 hours a day. That's also ignoring the fact that you could carry out random spot checks. I suspect river rangers would probably be happy of an hour or two's overtime. They don't exactly earn a fortune.
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41 minutes ago, Mouldy said:
And without a method for meaningful enforcement, it is useless, in much the same way as a mandatory speed limit on any road in the country is ignored by the vast majority of road users if not being followed by an enforcement officer.
Anything covered by byelaws is very much enforceable, with up to Level 3 penalty (currently £1k fine).
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