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Question of the day - does anyone expect JP to fall on his sword and a new JP mini-me take his place? It appears he has alot of support outside of the general boating community?
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I have raised elsewhere, and not sure I have an answer, mainly about the additional funds that have been made available this year to the existing 10 National Park Authorities of which BA are one - I am slightly concerned that this actually means that the Broads are actually now a NP and not just a 'member of the NP family,' in the eyes of legislation and that this may lead to further alignment to the Sandford Principles, and is completely in opposition to the responsibility as a Statutory Harbour Authority.
But more so is this, £4.4million was released to the 10 National Park Authorities in March. a further £2.5 made immediately available in the Summer, a further £2.5 for young and disadvantaged persons access, and then Steve Barclay, this week announced a further £40 million availability for a new national forest and new national park as with £15million for the existing 10 authorities, linked to the delivery of 'green' projects which meet the Green Recovery Challenge Fund criteria, and when Steve Barclay was being interviewed in Datmoor, suggested 'reducing or eliminating motorised vehicles' and described a Bio diversity Net-Gain challenge.
I wonder, firstly, how much additional cash is going to (or already has) landed in the coffers of the BA, and secondly, how much BA envisages it is going to gain from this fund as 10% of this would still be approximately £2.5million - and therefore, should any toll decision not now be re-assessed?
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On 01/12/2023 at 13:41, marshman said:
Here we have a classic Forum conundrum - one poster says one thing, another says the opposite concerning the tidal stream!
Dredging in one place will only move that volume of water elsewhere, and I just cannot agree that the Broads are "a dangerous place" - the flooding of marshes etc"
Thank you Marshman for correcting my ramblings!
You are absolutely right and no loss of life is fantastic. I concur that I may have used the wrong word in 'dangerous' however specialist rescue teams have been incredibly busy over recent weeks due to increased risk, even where situations just needed a pair of wellies!!!! - sadly that is something we have to assess rather differently now to years ago.
In real terms 'risk awareness' has led to alot of 'rescues' over recent years for situations that you or I may simply wait out, however this has the disproportionate knock on effect of increasing the perceived 'risk' especially with Breydon etc. And I do thank our volunteer and professional responders in all of those cases - often some of our responders have been more than happy to oblige as it allows them to put their training to good practiced use and ensures that more serious incidents are responded to well.
And I also agree with your comments about the Gull wing bridge as it is surely the volume of water and I should be clearer that I am referring to the fast ebb around Haven House, which for sometime, I watched on a regular basis! (Yes I need to get a life).
I personally make no recommendations, just sharing a short video so that others may appraise the situation for themselves, and offering that BA should be collating accurate data and recognising that waterside business and residential property has been severely affected.
The issue is that there are those who really do know the Broads - not just the waterways, but the way that the systems of drainage and farming are interlinked, people such as yourselves, who in the past knew the right thing to do. Nowadays we have so many different agencies, all with their own priorities, and understanding the real reason (Which may actually be a complete fluke, but also may not) needs open, careful and accurate assessment
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On 01/12/2023 at 14:03, Smoggy said:
I've been through around half ebb and flood and considered only a minor flow increase through the herring bridge piers over the rest of the river compared to the flow difference through haven, I have often seen the best part of 8" level difference (probably more but it's tricky to judge from the helm) between the upstream edge of haven bascules and downstream end, I didn't notice anything like it through herring.
As a side note I see from the latest NTM from GYA that transit is expected to be booked 2 hours ahead of passing herring bridge wether lift required or not which I find very strange as I've never notified them of going under haven till past it just to let them know I'm coming through and so any port traffic also hears.
I suspect I wouldn't have turned that close to haven on the ebb but then again I may have done exactly the same as it's very hard to judge the distance from video, I've turned and stemmed there a few times waiting for the water to drop a bit more.
It probably looked closer than it was! You are right that it is now lifting again, but hasn't been for a while - yes I have seen huge tidal differences there.. sounds like we have the same idea - interesting when you get to the piers sometimes!!
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On 29/11/2023 at 09:48, marshman said:
To be fair to the situation, we have had a lot of rain these last 6/8 weeks or so - even Monday we had another 15mm or so onto saturated ground.
BUT no one has died and generally its only marsh or grazing marsh that has suffered and done what its designed to do.
In all of this talk of class actions, has everyone forgotten about Haven Bridge? I am sure that that is narrower and if it is does this not negate the issue somewhat? Figures given for the Herring Bridge seem to vary quite a bit.
As far Meantimes comments are concerned, the tides in the Broads are unusual - in normal conditions, I always worked on 5hrs of flood and 7 of ebb to allow for the additional water coming downstream. Its certainly not 6 and 6 as it is out in the sea which is why the Aweigh app can get it wrong. Tides in the Broadland area have always had a mind of their own, being affected by so many factors.
And although its pretty irrelevant to the flooding and bridge issue, at New Mills Norwich there is no weir as such but actual sluices which are controlled, I guess by the EA, thereby actually controlling the discharge from the upper reaches.
Absolutely agree, however, I don't think the water retention has been over just recent weeks, I have seen regular moorings that I visit much higher over the past year - 2 years - although this is anecdotal, I would have expected BA to have credible and concise data on this - after all other authorities gather exactly such data - it seems as though the 'perfect storm' that BA describe may need to be re-named 'sleep walked into this'
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DO NOT TRY THIS IN YOUR BOAT - This is a piece of River I know well and understand the capabilities of my boat - no riverboat would be able to turn in this ebb.
I have been watching river levels for some time, prior to Storm Cairan, bob or whatever it was called, I captured the following footage - it has not been published elsewhere, but thought that I would share it for those forum members who would not be able to access this part of the river. I needed to 'get out' of the Broads and needed to pass under the Bascule Bridge. I can do this by dropping my radar arch, but unless I am lined up perfectly straight, this isn't going to happen - and given the very strong eddies, is not an easy fete.
For reference, there is never a 'slack' period in this part of the river, it runs one way, has a period of convoluted current and then quickly builds as the water re-floods.
Haven Bascule bridge has two solid piers and the side spans allow water to pass under and is of a more traditional design whilst the new Gull-Wing Bridge is designed for heavy commercial road traffic and appears to be solid, restricting more than a third of the navigable channel.
I have been concerned that the air draft at GY Haven Bridge has been above published datum at LW for a very long time, suggesting river levels are higher, and therefore the air draft is reduced. This has probable gone unnoticed as the Bridge has been out of actions for a very long period of time and very few users have the capability of passing under the bridge into the commercial port.
Dredging in all commercial ports is necessary to both maintain depth for draft but also to ensure water levels do not rise higher than the working parameters of the quays - why then does this theorem, which ensured Breydon Water was dredged whilst under the remit of the GYPA not hold weight with BA?
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On 29/11/2023 at 10:15, Vaughan said:
The Haven Bridge has been there for a very long time and the river system has "got used to it". By this, I mean it is part of the reason why the tide turns on Breydon at least an hour before it turns on the Bure. On a different thread lately, we were shown a picture of soundings over this area, which showed a pronounced sand bar in the Yare just upstream of the Bure junction, which is obviously the result of silty water coming down the Bure, being diverted up onto Breydon for that last hour before slack water. Dredging that, would not be such a bad idea either!
Marshman and I are wherrymen (in all humility) who know very well that the ebb tide, especially on the Yare, is a great deal stronger than the flood. This is because of the rainwater outfall coming down from those 3 rivers which, between them, drain almost all of north and central Norfolk. I forgot to mention the Waveney, which drains the rest of south Norfolk!
In the article, the EA claim part of the flooding is owing to pump failures. But these are only the pumps which drain the marsh meadows, which just for once, are acting exactly as they were always meant to, by retaining the flood water!
I can only add from the point of view of travelling the Yare through Yarmouth itself and since the new bridge foundations were placed, the ebb is so much worse and faster - I have recent film of this, but fear that so few boats will have used the commercial part of the river since Haven Bridge was inactive for so long, that it may have gone unnoticed.
I feel that the statement that 'dredging reduces flooding is a myth' that has been perpetrated by BA this week is very concerning in that EA spend a disproportionate amount of funding in keeping the Fens waterways and drainage channels dug to sufficient depth.
There seems an almost total disregard to addressing that still, today, water levels have not reduced significantly, nor that just a couple of months ago that the government gave housing developers carte blanche to build without needing to implement either drainage or flood investment plans.
Whilst there is a lack of ownership for the issue, there will be no solution, but with the Broads, for many, especially novice users, being a somewhat dangerous place to be at present, I am disappointed that BA are not being more proactive in their approach to at least acknowledging issues instead of putting their hands in their deep pockets and say 'its not my fault gov'
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11 hours ago, Vaughan said:
Leaving aside the wash for a moment, that flooding at Surlingham would have been quite commonplace in the "old days" on the Yare, where the sheds at Hearts in Thorpe used to flood every full moon in winter, along with the Brundall yards as well. You just got your waders on and got on with it!
Right now though, this is very different and I can't really recall flooding over such a wide area that has gone on for so long. It started on a neap tide and this is now the second spring tide to come up, with the original flooding still there. As Griff says this morning on his thread, something must be wrong. Griff feels it is lack of proper dredging on the lower Bure and I think the current very shallow depth of the Yare nowadays does not help either. I also blame the lack of deliberate washlands in the meadows of the lower reaches, caused by too many new flood banks.
The Broads used to be able to cope well with flooding in the past, until all the "experts" started buggering about with it!
I think also, there is a very large question about residential runoff - I haven't seen postwick shut off once this year, it is a constant flow, and I feel incredibly sorry for those mooring nearby as the stench is often horrendous. Thousands of new properties with nil additional reprossessing.... overwhelmed...
Failure to dredge has also got to have something to do with it - yes I remember those days when there was flooding, but it was gone as the tide dropped - and we cant even blame 'trapped tides' or wind in the wrong direction when we have had several concurrent days without wind... something is wrong and it doesn't quite compute!
This is the footage I captured yesterday
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19 hours ago, ExSurveyor said:
Completely stupid action. No doubt a few minutes later my boat was bouncing against the near overtopping quay heading.
It would have been interesting if you had been onboard, personally I always take care coming past Brundall Gardens as even on a normal tide, the boats get moved quite significantly.
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So apologies if the last post didn't make alot of sense - I have been doing some videography at Surlingham today and this 'prestige hire boat' came barreling through, dangerously very fast and pushing a half decker ashore - the person across the river had a few choice words also - not least, at the time, a friend was wading back to their boat - this was not just irresponsible and causes damage, but causing fast moving water enough to sweep someone off their feet. Words absolutely fail me.
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I've been at Surlingham today - I will post up an interesting photo in a min - the vid was running too slow!
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The only real way forward is a Section 31 objection under the Harbours Act 1964. As a statutory navigation authority with responsibilities under this act to gather tolls for that purpose. The notion is that the consultation process leading up to the rises in 2023 and onward to 2024 is unlawful and unreasonable (when compared to similar authorities).
Griff and others have posted much of the information needed above, but to recap,
James Knight has raised one such complaint and you can write to support his or join another, there are several objections being placed.
Objections under Section 31 f the Harbours Act 1964 can be lodged to Paul Sharpe, paul.sharpe@dft.gov.uk or maritime Directorate 2/34, Great Minster House, 33 Horseferry Road, London, SW1P 4DR.
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On 23/11/2023 at 15:30, OldBerkshireBoy said:
I am staggered to see that 74% of income is spent on the costs of salaries and pensions!
And I wonder, in the future, who will have the largest pension of them all? (And then probably come back to work in an interim role!!!
Yes the middle option has been accepted so another massive hike.
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Also, here is a little problem I had with one of my raw water pumps and impellors - I made a mistake in putting this back together in that I used both the O ring and the gasket as that was what was in there when I first changed it, however, i have since been informed that I should have used one or the other and not both!
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On 03/11/2023 at 11:37, marshman said:
French Marine in Brundall stock a lot of impellers, including Johnson ones, so if you are in the area pop in - always found them very helpful and for anyone's info,stock Perkins spares.
Ref impellors - Jabsco also make replacements for typical Volvo penta as well and are about a third of the price!
Just a few quick tips that I put together a few years ago - we pretty much keep using our boat and there has been some question over covering with a blanket or not, however, this may be helpful for some. It isn't a plug by the way as I do not monetise and on my current projection, that probably wont be possible for at least another 6 years :)
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On 17/05/2023 at 09:25, marshman said:
The "brown" colouration is due in ,to the dykes draining into the Cut being over dug and it is some iron compound - but don't ask me any more!! Interestingly it only comes out of the dyke joining the Cut at Brograve and beyond Brograve the right hand arm to Waxham is clear and was always a good place for kingfishers - don't know if they are still around though.
Pumps falling over or adopting a list are nothing new - did they ever put foundations in? If you go up to Dungeon Corner the Heighams Holmes Mill has now got a bit of a list - the last time the dykes were cleared out the digger driver must have got closer than we would have wished and as a result it has adopted a new attitude - the Pisa one!!!!
If ever they let me loose with a digger, I think everything I touched would be like that! I suspected that the colouration was due to ferrous Oxide from a soil substrate. Am I right in thinking that the navigation exists up to Waxham and is still tolled and controlled by BA?
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On 27/05/2019 at 22:33, GrahamP said:
Interesting - I have seen that this thread has been dormant for a few years but this, along with another lost waterway (Which is within the tolled area) have the same issues - most notably around Dillham Mill where you will be heftily shouted at that it is private...
Having recently canoed on the section between Ebridge and Bacton Wood, I am impressed how serene it is - but again, I didn't half get scowled at by one of the house (owners?) near the end - with lack of use, I suppose, comes a sense of ownership, however, it would be really lovely to see the efforts redoubled to engage with some of the land owners again and bring this wonderful area back to life.
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On 15/07/2023 at 10:18, Hylander said:
Personally I would not want to be sitting in that hot tub , it is a bit public. Yes they have put a fence around but am I wrong in thinking that there is an apartment upstairs and down or is it all 'yours' so to speak.
I think I would see that as an opportunity to see if I could offend someone by actually getting in it!
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On 14/07/2023 at 14:51, Broads01 said:
You don't do day boats, you don't do camping, you don't do moorings. What do you do?
Subtle innuendos follow
There must be somethin' inside-
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13 hours ago, marshman said:
Indeed you may be right but that does not take into account the fact that the owner of the last section south of Honing Lock, does not want it restored and connected to the rest of the Broads!
Yes I am working on Part 2 at the moment and really struggling with alot of the politics - even a pushback of re-dredging the current area - I really appreciate your expertise in this matter - there seems to be so much more to the story than what is in the public domain.. any links will be most welcome
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15 hours ago, dom said:
Well produced and informative video. Only thing slightly offputting for me, as someone who grew up in the area was a few mispronunciations.
Antingham seems to have gained an L in the voiceover. Honing is pronounced Hone-ing (hone as in bone).
Everyone I know also pronounced Ebridge as Ebb-ridge (like the ebb of a tide), but that may just be a local variance (I went to school in Stalham for a while with people who lived in Dilham, Honing, etc).
It is a shame the NW&D hasn't been restored by now, even if just as somewhere accessible to smaller, or unpowered craft. The fact it only took 100 navvies 2 years really highlights how easily it could be done. They're dredging fens near where I live at the moment and based on their rate of progress, I'd imagine you could probably achieve the task in a similar time frame, but just a couple of men with modern excavators.
Oddly I was calling it antingham until I spoke to an old boy at Honing who pronounced it anLingham and I have seen at least one map with that written, but as you say, regional pronunciation is very important and I took the old boys pronunciation of Honing to be him from Norfolk and me from Suffolk (Up coming part 2 but need some more footage to make it work) Thank you for the feedback - heaven help me when I move on to Happisburgh!!
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Apologies I couldn't make it appear in line
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Hi all, I am probably setting myself up for a fall with this one as I know we have one or two experts on this topic on here, however, I believe what I have gathered is correct from credible sources (Obviously credited appropriately - I hope you enjoy - there is a part 2 but I need to go and get some more shots on a less rainy and windy day!
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Sorry, I couldn't make the YouTube file place an image as it usually does.
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Flood Planning
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Have a really close look at what is actually happening and the future proposals around Martlesham creek and the Deben. The financial might behind these 're-wilding' schemes is truly frightening