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For some it is difficult. Apologise can be difficult. I understand that.
Road rage has identified issues concerning such matters.
Some wish to avoid confrontation. I have witnessed many such incidents and have seen many upset by such accidents, really upset. Not only from the perpetrator, the wrongdoer, the victim. Both being very upset. Damaged caused, people injured.
Both parties distressed.
Inconsolable.
However some incidents happen. It happens to most of us. It is what it is.
I still remember my incidents, I am sure others do as well.
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A coroners court in November of this year may well make recommendations. The coroner does not have the ability to enforce recommendations.. But the coroner is able to designate a person or an authority to carry out the courts recommendations.
I leave you to surmise the courts choice.
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11 minutes ago, ExSurveyor said:
Andrew, have you thought about contacting the yard, BA or the Hire boat federation.
Is the removal cosmetic or some other reason do you think.
Hi Mark
Cosmetic is no excuse to my mind. It really is not.
The BA, the Broads Hire Boat Federation, British Marine will have established the Quality Accredited Boatyard Standard by 01 April 2023.
To my mind the most important piece of legislation in my lifetime.
It will impact on the hie boat industry, and inevitably on the private owner in the course of time.
My concern with regard to this particular boat is important to my mind but pales into insignificance with regard to the general scheme of things.
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2 hours ago, andyg said:
I wouldn't of accepted it, I would of refused to take it out of the yard. That's just not on and I struggle to believe a yard would of presented a boat in that condition. Basic safety equipment on a boat.
Andy. You don't need to struggle. Happy to forward to you pictures of the boat by pm. Happy to post on the forum. But mindful of the forums position on such matters, a difficult situation. Which I have no intention of challenging as I am fully supportive of their position under such circumstances.
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I took several phographs of the boat. With the hirers permission. I explained why. He asked if I was from the Broads Authority. He was obviously concerned. I informed him that I had nothing to do with the BA whatsoever. He allowed me to continue to photograph the boat.
What a dreadful state of affairs.
I am aware of "name and shame" I fully understand, I really do.
But there comes a time. A time where some need to be held accountable.
Those whose actions defy any degree of responsibility whatsoever.
This forum, could and should be able to identify those individuals who blatantly ignore a code of conduct and pursue them accordingly.
In the absence of authority.
Andrew
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Do you train a dog?
Or do you shape a dogs behavior?
If it is the latter then surely one should select a breed of dog that closely matches your ideal. Many people unfortunately do not. In many instances because of an unwise decision of the type of dog many are left frustrated, disappointed, angry.
And so is the dog.
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One came into Reedham the other day. The tide was going out very quickly. 40 to 42ft of boat I suspect. From stem to stern , starboard and port there was not a single grab rail. They had all been removed.
The crew, the Broads Authority Quay ranger were somewhat challanged in a demanding situation.
Andrew
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Dogs are so vunerable on the Broads and its rivers.
I am not sure that their owners are aware.
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There should be no charges for mooring overnight in another hire yard, as long as the yard in question is a member of the Broads Hire Boat Federation (or whatever they’re called now)
Most boat yards are members of the Broads Hire Boat Federation or British Marine in order to qualify for Q A B S. Mandatory requirement for hireboat licensing following an announcement by the Broads Authority.
All hireboat businesses have to register for an initial QAB assessment from 01 April 2023.
Other factors may have to be taken into consideration during November of this year.
Times they are a changing.
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All dogs should be kept on leads. Especially in the country side. Especially on the Norfolk Broads. There is so much at risk, the dog, wildlife, sheep and other livestock.
In Norfolk, even the beach can be a dangerous place. Fot the dog, for the wildlife.
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The fender is very important. Underestimated. Its size, its shape, its position on your boat is so relevant with regard to the well being of your boat. And your anxieties.
Imagine, boats colliding, perhaps an arm, a hand, a leg, or the boat hook.
Not for me. Never ever. Two, three tons of boat on collision.
The fender. As used by lifeboat crews, as used by wherry skippers, as used by those of an understanding of the tragic circumstances caused by those who fend off with an arm, a leg, a boat hook.
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Clean them would be good.
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I have found it very interesting to read that some boat yards are in the process of reducing the size of their hire fleet . For some of the smaller boat yards it will be an opportunity to increase the size of their fleet or which would seem most likely that of replacing a boat that contributes little to whatever small profit stream exists. In reality the small yards have diminished rapidly to have little influence on the overall picture.
It is therefore reasonable to expect the majority of these boats to be sold into the private sector. To those who are wealthy.
What is wealth, how do you define it. One way I suppose is to state that they have a disposable income to spend on a style of life, a dream, something after a long and arduous period of work. The boat will be seen as a sound investment, an achievement, a just reward for sacrifices made.
The financial impact will be recognised. But this impact is always the same. It constantly changes, even more so during these unsettling times. This could well result in a sluggish period for boat sales. Only time will tell.
Some of you have spoken knowledgably as to why boat yards sell some off their assets so I do not wish to elaborate further.
There is an aspect of all this which does not seem to have been recognised or even discussed. Now before I go any further I am reminded of “ the wise old owl who sat in an oak. The more he heard, the less he spoke, the less he spoke, the more he heard. He became a wise old bird”. If my contribution seems somewhat disjointed then I will play the old age card, without hesitation, that of confusion.
Times they are a changing. Even more so with regard to The Broads National Park. Changes in some part brought about by more than one dreadful incident . The Marine Accident Incident Board focused on one such incident. The MAIB investigation highlighted several areas of concern. The Broads Authority were wrong footed. The MAIB conclusions reverberated throughout Broadland. Recommendations were made, with regard to procedures and design of boats. Recommendations without authority but carry great weight by those who consider with authority.
The boating fraternity, hire or private will become accustomed to different organisations, like the MAIB for example. For the hirer, the private boat owner, will be mindful of the BHBF. ( Broads Hire Boat Federation) .
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The BM. British Marine.
The other which may attract your attention is the QAB. (The Quality Accredited Boatyard Scheme) Run by, guess who? The BHBF.
The BHBF is affiliated to BM.
The BA (Broads Authority if you have lost the plot) The BA have announced that the QAB will be a mandatory requirement for all hire boat licensing.
So. BA (bless), BHBF, BM and the QAB seem to fly in formation.
Where do the hire fleets sit within this arena. Not very comfortably I suggest.
They may well be required to make drastic changes with regard to trial runs, the design of boats, new and alteration to existing to conform to new legislation.
Some craft will be considered not viable to conform and will be sold or otherwise disposed.
Your private boat? Fear not. For the immediate future. For the time being. Insurance companies will insure you. But they will be aware of your obligation to provide a safe environment for your guest, your family, your friend. You may have to demonstrate that you have made a provision for their safety.
Andrew
Old Wussername
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Ah! Somewhat of a conundrum Sabby. Certainly not an old byelaw. However, if you were to ask an old wherry skipper he would tell you of an ancient act which states that you are allowed to anchor anywhere, on any stretch of water, on any bank for one full turn of the tide.
There were conditions however. Note the word anchor. Only one rope or mooring warp. The skipper was not allowed to wander off or enter the land for any purpose other than to attend to his line.
Makes sense do you not think in those days of yore.
As far as I am aware the act has never been rescinded.
Pick a manicured lawn leading down from an established mansion to the waters edge.
Let us know how you get on.
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I agree FF. However, every place is a bad place to have an incident.
Evidently they have been coming to the broads for over twenty years.
Makes you think does it not, could have happened to anybody.
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OBB. Have you ever been inside a boat which has been submerged following the tide conditions which were prevalent on that particular day?
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1 hour ago, Bikertov said:
If you think about it, hire craft will have an on-board heads but a day boat won't, so if someone is 'caught short' on a day boat they will be temped to 'go wild'.
Disgusting - yes ...
One could add to the list, paddle boards and canoes, both of which have increased and are increasing in numbers.
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I suspected that was the sign.
Landowners have a responsibility to themselves. To maintain thier lands for thier future. I understand that.
They also need to recognise that they need to acknowledge our support and our appreciation. We need a common understanding, respect, unfortunately lacking to the detriment of the common cause. That needs to be addressed by us all.
Who is able to task this idea? I do not know.
What I do know, however, is that a forum, this forum, has the ability to identify the problem. Not able to solve it, but, perhaps attract the attention of those responsible, with authority, to offer guidance, commitment to a solution.
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Sorry, bit confused, What signs?
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I wish to inform you that my grandfather, William Bramwell Jenner, a trawler skipper, for his efforts, mine sweeping in a Lowestoft trawler, in the Mediterranean, was awarded a gold medal, together with the honour of flying the skull and crossbones from his boat, by the King of Serbia.
All documented with providence by the family.
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The sweet spot for military aircraft is just above Norwich. Dog fights, to the East and to the North. Mostly F15 and the 35. Around 20,000ft. You do not see them, but certainly hear them. At 27000 USA heavy, coming into Mildenhall, fighters into Lakenheath, and who knows that which comes into Marham. . Some you see, some you hear.
Some come in, early, very early in the morning.
All a bit spooky.
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Thas a funny old do mister Vaughan! You a torken France French like wot a good old norfolk boy do! I would be in a right old larther I would an all!
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1 hour ago, FairTmiddlin said:
If it was Old Nyx in it's hey day. You wouldn't have spotted it. Just sort of melded into the vegetation.
The boat was camouflaged. On one occasion a member of this forum said to MM " Hi! MM, did not see you on the river Ant this weekend"
MM replied " Thank you "
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My Day
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My dear old uncle George worked on Lowestoft fish market all his life. Filleting fish. His hands were swollen from chilblains. He had to keep dipping them in warm water. They were so cold.
It was all he did, it was all he knew.
He was allowed an allowance of fish, once a week for his own family. A meagre allowance.
When he retired at 65 he decided to continue the tradition. I used to accompany uncle George sometimes, with his trade bike, to the market, to visit his mates. A sack laid in the basket of the bike. Underneath of course were the fish on the return journey.
This went on for years.
George was quite ecstatic about his deception. Proud as well. A feed of fish on a Friday for the whole family. There was little more he could do.
The security officers on the gate knew exactly what was going on. They were under the most strict instructions from the directors not to stop him. Such was the respect and affection they had for him. Never has such a privilege been granted since or will be again.
Thank you Uncle George for that wonderful feed of fish on a Friday night, always fried, Dover soles, lemon soles, place, skate, rooker,
Vinegar and salt. Never eaten with knife and fork, just fingers, hot, greasy, finger licking good. They were fishing folk.
Never has fish tasted so good.
My childhood, on holiday, with Uncle George and Aunt Ivy in Rouen Road, Lowestoft.