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[Drunks]

Just now, Philosophical said:

I think it is an offence to be drunk in charge of just yourself in public.

I believe that is drunk and disorderly!

[Something Has Gone Missing!]

Something has gone missing! but what and where?

I'll start by saying it is, or was, on The North Broads. Any ideas?

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There still appears to be a problem with the image!

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Some excellent pictures there

[Drunks]

42 minutes ago, Bound2Please said:

People can be annoyed by others who are stone cold sober just easy if not easier

You can legally be annoying but it is illegal if you are drunk and in charge of a vessel or vehicle.

[Moorings]

37 minutes ago, Aboattime said:

We were out cruising at the weekend and saw a boat moored in one of the smaller broads, mud weighting bow and stern about a metre from the trees and reeds.This got me wondering as to how long you could moor there,before the BA would ask you to move on? Same question as on one of the rivers, so to be clear,none of his ropes are touching any tree or river bank. I know that some of the broads are owned and you can be asked to move after 24 hours,but im reluctant to say which broad as i think it might be a liveaboard,,and its at a very secluded spot and i cant see that hes doing any harm .   

I'm not sure there is a 24hr limit on Broads. If it is privately owned then it is up to the land owner on what terms apply. I believe there is an overnight mooring fee applied at Wroxham Broad, but not at Salhouse Broad, both of which are privately owned. Then again South Walsham inner Broad your not meant to mud weight at all for any period but may navigate over it.

With regards to the rivers then this is covered by the byelaws which govern where you can moor and more specifically state that you should not obstruct the navigation or moor in a channel. The byelaws also cover that you should not moor in such a way as to impede the use of a right of way on the banks. So mooring next to, but not touching or actually moored to a BA 24hr mooring would be impeding the right of way for others to moor legally.

[Drunks]

My opinion of what constitutes drunk, is someone who is intoxicated by alcohol to the extent that it changes their normal behaviour for the worse, or makes it impossible for them to behave rationally. Being drunk can also affect a persons co-ordination and movement.

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1 minute ago, Philosophical said:

I guess the more pertinent question here would be what constitutes being under the influence of drink to such an extent as to be incapable of taking proper control of the vessel?

I guess that all depends on the ability to properly control a vessel before any alcohol has been consumed. 

Which to a large extent is why I also said the following,

I think we have all seen sober people that appear to be incapable of taking proper control of the vessel!

And that then poses the question, what is taking proper control of the vessel?

[Drunks]

I guess the more pertinent question here would be what constitutes being under the influence of drink to such an extent as to be incapable of taking proper control of the vessel?

I think we have all seen sober people that appear to be incapable of taking proper control of the vessel!

And that then poses the question, what is taking proper control of the vessel?

Having more than 35 micrograms of alcohol for every 100 millilitres of breath is very specific and with the right equipment enforceable, not so sure how you legally quantify being incapable of taking proper control of the vessel?

[3 Rivers Race 2019.]

Hopefully a little more wind next year!!

[Mooring With The Run Of The Tide]

4 minutes ago, vanessan said:

It’s the same in a lot of places, must be confusing for new hirers when they are given instructions re approaching and leaving moorings against the flow! 

I think its because until the incoming tide has reached the level of the outgoing tide it starts to hold the water back.  This causes a rise in water level until it has risen enough to push the water back up river, and vice versa.

[Private Or Hire?]

ok ok I get it. I'm totally wrong. I shouldn't have had the audacity to start two new discussion topics. I promise I won't do it again, at least for some time.

I hear The Locks Inn is having a little shindig called Lockstock this weekend so I'm off for some decent music, beer and company. Will look in again once I'm back.

[Private Or Hire?]

3 minutes ago, Wussername said:

Is it so important that at first glance the ranger was not sure. This discussion lacks a degree of substance.

If you reread my post you will see that it wasn't at first glance  It was after calling me over, waiting for me to arrive, have a conversation and then as we were departing and in the meantime they had all the tools at their disposal to find out anyway.

[Private Or Hire?]

5 minutes ago, Vaughan said:

In view of that, I still can't understand why you were offended by the same sort of advice, given by the S.O.B. at a time when your passage through Yarmouth was potentially dangerous as you were well outside the normal time for passage.

I get the impression from your comments on another thread yesterday that you have something personal against BA staff. In which case why not take it up with the BA?

 

Why do people insist on putting words into ones mouth? At no point did I say I was offended by the advice given. Your impression is also wrong. The whole crux of this whole thread is the surprise that someone who really should know the difference, in this case didn't.

[Private Or Hire?]

1 minute ago, Hylander said:

For goodness sakes,  I can tell a hire boat from a private boat any day.   It has nothing to do with what anyone is wearing.   We had our own boat for 10 years and we are still wearing the same clobber now that we are hiring , so that is a nonsense for a start.   Most private boats tend to have a flag flapping at the back and often many more flapping elsewhere.      Also you get to know the boats that are about.

 

As for SOB ,    I guess yelling at people through a loud haler does give them something to occupy themselves with.

For completeness I should add that we had already taken the ensign down ready for the low bridges, but there are enough other tell tale signs which you would have spotted.

[Private Or Hire?]

Let me state categorically that I have no problem with the rangers giving advice or directions to private helms. I would expect them to know their subject matter and know which are private or hire craft without having to ask. It is that which really surprised me. Makes you wonder how much time they have spent around Broads boating before applying for the job, based purely upon the fact that most of us here would have known without needing to ask. Incidentally I wonder why the need to ask? Would or should they have treated me differently if they had known? I don't think so, which makes the question all the more strange, and redundant. My only conclusion would be that if I said it was a hire boat, they may have insisted I turn back? Whilst this is not a bad thing, they really should have known and had the means to check.

Once before I was moored at Acle and heard that Breydon was shut due to wind and poor visibility. I rang the rangers at Yarmouth and was given the advice that Breydon was shut to hire boats. It was open to private boats, but their advice was not to cross. We headed down to Yarmouth and moored at Yarmouth until the visibility improved and then we went across. I have no problem with this kind of advice and heeded it.

[Mooring With The Run Of The Tide]

MM I did interpret your question as why do it, as opposed to why are you being told to do it differently. Ultimately as skipper you should do what you feel the safest and most comfortable for you. I guess those telling you to do it differently are offering advice based on the perceived technically correct way of doing things, not knowing it may not work for your particular situation. My answer was based upon the way I originally interpreted your question.

Re your observations of the tide at Reedham. One thing I have also noticed is that at the turn of the tide, the water may still appear to be flowing inwards, whilst the level of the water is actually starting to drop. The reverse is also true at the turn of the low water.

[Private Or Hire?]

1 minute ago, Wussername said:

This shift in quality. In what respect may I ask?

Andrew

There is a thread here where a couple of people have had notices applied to inappropriate surfaces, in both cases incorrectly.

I think most of the members here if they applied for the job of ranger would know a private from hire boat. I'm still surprised that this knowledge alluded the rangers on Breydon that day.

The perceived lack of interest from the rangers at Reedham. I say perceived, because it is purely my opinion off course.

I saw a thread here recently where the ranger in Norwich helped two boat loads of drunk people cast off from the yacht station. Moving on a problem rather than dealing with it.

Just my thoughts off course. 

[Private Or Hire?]

3 minutes ago, Vaughan said:

So it would seem that your question, as OP, has a barb to it.

I do hope you are not suggesting that the S.O.B is only there for the safety of hire boats and should obsequiously allow passage to the masters of private vessels?

I wasn't there of course, but I would hope that their brief intervention was done in the interests of your own safety, especially as you were navigating at a time when it is not normally recommended to do so?

No I'm not suggesting that S.O.B is only there for the safety of hire boats, however they do frequently make special directions to hire boats by closing Breydon to hire boats, not to private boats. Therefore I would expect them to know the difference between the two. On this occasion they were turning hire boats back to The Berney. I have no problem with that.

I was just really surprised that someone who patrols the area couldn't tell the difference and needed to ask. Does it have a barb, Yes because perhaps it reflects the shift in the quality of the ground troops recently. Just my opinion of course, a sticky subject for some though.

[Why Does Reedham Have A Quay Ranger?]

2 minutes ago, Bound2Please said:

Is he a ranger or is he a mooring attendant ????

Semantics. He works for the BA and safety should be one of his primary aims, or roles!! One of the rangers, or mooring attendants correctly got a award for jumping into the river at Yarmouth last year to save a girl who had fallen in. Glad he wasn't at lunch, but then I rather suspect if he had have been, it would have made little difference. Chalk and cheese springs to mind.

[Advice On A Trip To Great Yarmouth..... Help!]

1 minute ago, Bound2Please said:

The yacht station is a commercial venture, (yes owned by BA) but in all commercial ventures, profit is what its all about. There is no real reason to arrive at Great Yarmouth at low tide to moor up. Many just time things right and sail straight through it. In over 45 years of coming to the broads I have never once moored there.

If you feel that strongly about me please feel free to hit the report button

The yacht station is not owned by the BA. It is leased by the BA from Yarmouth council to provide a safe mooring facility within Yarmouth. A charge is imposed not because it is a commercial venture, but because the lease is significantly more expensive than their mooring leases in more rural areas and therefore they try to cover the costs of the lease. This cost could be covered in a more safer way. The BA should not be putting profit before safety.

As a hirer I always followed the advice in the skippers handbook and timed by arrival or passing through Yarmouth at low water. It is the advice given time and time again on this and other forums.

 

[Why Does Reedham Have A Quay Ranger?]

1 hour ago, Bound2Please said:

Is he not entitled to a break for lunch then?

He cant be looking both ways at the same time!

If it was of that much concern to you, why didnt you ring broads control, before leaving the pub to walk to the hut?

You know, this is as close to trolling as another member got last night, but I'll play the game and answer, although I'm surprised as a moderator you weren't more interested in last night's baiting!!

Yes he is entitled to lunch, but I would expect him to maybe show a little concern when a member of the public may be in trouble.

I agree he cannot be looking both ways at the same time, and don't expect him to, which is why I walked over to speak to him and alert him. It is the response after that is staggering.

If you know Reedham you will know the rangers hut is about 100 yards if that from the outside seating area. Since the ranger works for the BA, as do Broads control, who would you go to if you had witnessed it? It was quicker to go to the ranger who I assumed would have all the correct numbers to hand, than look up the number for, and ring Broads control.

[Advice On A Trip To Great Yarmouth..... Help!]

1 hour ago, Bound2Please said:

So that then makes rubbish your idea of changing the mooring times from 24 to 13 hours

You know for a moderator you can be overly confrontational at times! I wouldn't call your reply rubbish, but I will correct you.

The current mooring times at the yacht station are an overnight mooring until 10am for £13 or a day time mooring for £6. Combine the two and arrive at the right time, or leave at the right time and you may get 24hrs if your lucky, otherwise you will get less. You will certainly be penalised if you stay beyond 10am. Arrive at 1pm on a low water and you will pay the daytime mooring fee, and then the overnight mooring fee of £19 in total and you must be gone before 10am or approx. 3.5 hrs before low water or you will pay another £6.

My idea would be you pay for two lots of 13hrs and you could arrive on a low water and comfortably leave on a low water. Alternatively arrive and pay for your mooring and it runs until the next low water after the time you have paid for. So if you paid till 10am, you would be allowed to stay for free until the low water if it was at 1pm.

You can call my idea rubbish if you really must!! but it is a damn lot safer than the current system and encourages people to transit, or leave Yarmouth at the wrong time.

[Why Does Reedham Have A Quay Ranger?]

1 minute ago, Philosophical said:

The bridge being about 300 meters away from the pub, a blind eye is about as good as you could see in terms of real detail.

Only swept to Yarmouth, why not out to sea ?

Yep as I thought. No interest in a debate just an argument or a wind up. Good night find someone else to play with.