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3 minutes ago, floydraser said:
Just to re-jig the arguments here: If there are already private land owners charging for mooring I don't see how this one could influence the BA? Flip that over and it could be that the owner has seen the BA start charging at Ranworth and thinks why lease it to them and get less, when he could have the whole tenner?
True enough, but a few assumptions made there. The owner is female, not all landowners are male, and the BA were given plenty of chance to renew the lease and failed to reach agreement. The moorings could have been let as annual moorings with far less hassle, but they are still seeking to keep the short term moorings available, despite the BA's failings.
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3 minutes ago, Vaughan said:
Sure, they do now. As soon as one farmer caught on, everyone has jumped on the bandwagon.
Anyway, I have already made my decision. This sort of thing just confirms it.
My point is, its not a new thing.
32 minutes ago, Vaughan said:Well, here's me getting grumpy again but I see this as yet another nail in the coffin.
In the last 20 odd years I can still only think of the Potter quiet moorings as being privately owned and free to use. So I do not see the argument that one more land owner charging for a mooring that the BA used to, and could have leased opening the flood gates to the BA charging for moorings elsewhere. We all know the BA will do what the BA want to do regardless of others actions.
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1 minute ago, RS2021 said:
Next move. BA takes over the mooring complete with up an running payment platform which it can roll out across other sites...
Extremely unlikely since they had the chance to renew the lease on those moorings and couldn't agree new terms.
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10 minutes ago, Vaughan said:
Well, here's me getting grumpy again but I see this as yet another nail in the coffin.
Mouldy is quite right. The BA have already quoted the charge for moorings on Ranworth island as their excuse for charging at the Maltsters. This new charge, on what used to be one of their free moorings, will give them the perfect excuse to charge at other places - Rockland short dyke might be next.
In fact, it is not only the BA's fault : the real disease, in my view, is that anyone who owns a bit of land with a river bank now expects to sit back and make a living out of a captive audience.
And don't say that there is no-one to take the money at Rockland - the local ranger can do that as he passes and at the same time ask everyone whether they have had a trial run or not.
Apart from wild moorings, can you give me an example of a privately owned piece of river bank that is free to moor at? They either have a plethora of no mooring signs or are wild moorings. The last ones I remember are the quiet moorings at Potter, now closed for various reasons.
As far as I'm aware most privately owned moorings are either chargeable or free by being leased to the BA and therefore still generate a revenue stream for the land owner.
Aldeby is private and charges, Stracy Arms windmill, Farm near The Ferry Stokesby, the newish streych below The Acle bridge between the pub and the old Hermitage moorings. Above Wayford Bridge until they were closed. All privately owned and charge.
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3 minutes ago, MauriceMynah said:
I wonder what would happen at Sutton staithe if BA charged there
It might be easier to find an empty mooring there!!
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24 minutes ago, MauriceMynah said:
I agree, sometimes 'nothing' is good (at the risk of sounding like "cool hand Luke")
It will never catch on, look how empty the wild moorings on The Ant are all year round!
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3 hours ago, grendel said:
I think its funny that they advertise the lack of facilities as a good feature- well I suppose if there are none thats the only way to do it, though to most a lack of facilities would be seen as a disadvantage, not a selling point.
It's a shame that more of the Broads isn't promoted in this way. A back to basics floating relaxing holiday, rather than a false narrative about a National Park and bling hire boats.
Not only can you pre book the mooring, but you can pre book the individual mooring spots meaning that 3 or 4 friends wishing to meet up can ensure they have a mooring spot and they are next to each other.
For some of the smaller less formal meets, that sounds ideal to be honest.
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46 minutes ago, Tempest said:
I have never stayed at Langley Dyke overnight but we had stopped off for a lunch break and / or to let the dogs stretch their legs many times
I couldn't find if they charge for that....
It's in their Ts and Cs. Basically you shouldn't turn up and mooor without pre booking and paying first. The only options for booking are £10;for the first night and £5 per night thereafter.
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7 hours ago, ZimbiIV said:
After one very expensive, poor Sunday meal.
I wished we had been thrown out before getting in!
paul
Ps never went back.
20 minutes ago, Broads01 said:Sounds like I should stick to the Ferry House.
I've never eaten at Coldham Hall - any feedback from there?
BUT please bear in mind The Waters Edge is under new ownership as of 1st November 2023.
Such comments are not helpful to the new owners who have invested heavily in a business. If your going to be negative about a business under its previous ownership, at least try and make it clear in your posts you are talking historically. Don't trash a business before you know the new owners plans.
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It seems there really is no pleasing some people
Everyone was bemoaning the loss of a popular mooring. Now they are back, but people are moaning about the price.
Just do the maths. 8 moorings, say you rent them out as annual moorings for £2,000 each, that's a relatively hassle free £16k per year. Now lets assume that no one stays more than one night, so not taking advantage of the cheaper mooring, but everyone pays £10 for one night. That's 1600 boats over the course of the season just to break even when compared to renting them as annual moorings. Now add on credit card fees, website costs, policing the mooring to see those that are there have actually prebooked and paid. Your probably looking at closer to 2000 boats over the course of the season and a lot more aggravation to break even.
I know which option I would chose if I was the land owner, but I'm glad they haven't.
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Moorings must be booked in advance for min 1 day up to max 7 days. First day £10, then £5 per day thereafter.
There are 8 moorings. The first four suitable for up to 40ft boats, and the last four suitable for up to 32ft boats.
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I would say Whitlingham, Ranworth and Hoveton, unless you're talking about discovery hubs, then its Salhouse, Beccles Quay and Great Yarmouth seafront?
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2 minutes ago, NorfolkNog said:
Anyone tried the Ram yet?
Not yet, has it reopened then?
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8 minutes ago, Bikertov said:
Really ??
I just clicked the link and read the article - no payment made I can assure you !
If your not using an In Private tab, then you may be lucky to be able to read one or two articles. Often they will let you read up to 20 articles before they Paywall you. Remember those cookies you agreed to when you first went to the site, well they are tracking and counting how many free articles you are reading. One of the reasons why the In Private tab works because it throws away everything to do with that session when you close the tab.
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18 minutes ago, Vaughan said:
I have the same problem here, as I use the EDP website (and this forum, above all) as a means of keeping in touch with Norfolk from 1000 miles away.
I had always assumed (as an old git) that these internet sites depend on advertising for their revenue. Also, that that revenue depends on the number of visitors to the site who "click" to read the articles. The more clicks, the more the advertiser will be prepared to advertise. I assume this is also how the new army of "influencers" make their money.
So I don't see why I should have to pay on top of that, when I am one of those providing the necessary "clicks".
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That's why I too, can't read the article linked above.
Part of the issue has been the likes of Bing News or Google making some newspaper articles available via their own news offerings. Generally advertisers are expecting to pay less and less for advertising, so increasingly local news sites such as the EDP are going behind what is known as a Paywall, or subscription model.
You will still be able to read the EDP article if you open an InPrivate window and paste the link there, or an incognito tab, or secret mode on most Android tablets and phones.
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15 minutes ago, oldgregg said:
The Indian in the old station building at Oulton Broad was great last time we were there, and I know the Commodore has changed hands but that was a decent meal.
The Labone is good, but there is a new kid in town now. The Hut which is about halfway between Labone and the yacht station, above Dinky Town, where the Turkish used to be before it moved above the Broadview Wine bar.
The Commodore used to be run by Moss and Co, before Stonegate took it back inhouse again. Since then trade seems to have suffered. It is galling to compare the same menu being served in The New Inn at Horning, for often a £1, or £1.50 cheaper per item. They must think the people in Oulton have more money to spend!!! The New Inn was also taken back in house by Stonegate around the same time. For those that miss the old Moss and Co. offering, I can recommend The Bell at Carlton Colville, walkable, or a short taxi ride. Also The Jolly Sailors at Pakefield is good, or for a closer Moss and Co, offering they are now running the bar at The Broadlands Marina, the Tingdene site in Oulton Broad.
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10 minutes ago, MauriceMynah said:
Thanks for the link. It seems that I have to pay £3 to read it.
Or you can open a new In Private window in your browser and copy the link to there and read it for free. You will still have to skip through the adverts, but they are in the business of journalism to make money after all!
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The latest fad I've witnessed at The Wherry is people coming back with the main plate piled high and a side plate with two or three Yorkies on, that would more than likely have fallen off if placed on the main plate.
Personally I'm of the everything in moderation camp. I hear that Gracie thinks very similar and will only have one glass of wine on an evening out.
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You've got to love this forum, a thread about The Ram at Brundall and most of the posts are about The Ferry Surlingham and The Waters Edge Bramerton.
I have drunk in The Ferry but have never eaten there for one simple reason. Whenever I eat in a pub or restaurant I want to know that I have a half reasonable chance of finishing the meal. Nothing puts me of eating in a place more than when I see reviews saying go hungry, the plate was piled high, value for money, more food than you can eat etc. I go out to eat a meal, not for a man versus food type challenge. I've often had a drink at The Ferry and seen food being delivered to the table and thought, that looks really nice, IF only it was half the size. I hate food waste, and I also like leaving room for more beer.
I often drink at The Wherry at Oulton Broad and you see these people coming back from the carvery counter with what can only be described as gravity defying towers of food on a plate. If I go to a carvery, I will only put on the plate what I think I'm going to eat.
With regards to The Water Edge, it's worth stressing the past is the past, and the future is the future. I would hate for anyone to be put off from visiting because of the views they have read on this thread so far. As of the 1st November 2023 it is under new ownership. Try it and judge for yourself, don't rely on old out of date reviews.
Talking of the past, personally I never had a problem at The Waters Edge. I have an ex hire boat, not a gin palace and was always made welcome. We always booked ahead to reserve a mooring and more often than not was greeted as we moored up by Lee, or a member of staff. I know Lee could be considered a Marmite character, but I quite like Marmite. Lee would often ask what you liked and then explain the specials that he thought you might like and how they had been prepared or what ingredients they had been partnered with. The same with wine, he would ask which you prefer and then make some suggestions, based upon what you had ordered. He is a chef first and foremost, who really knows his food and drink combinations and perhaps a temperament that is not always suited to being front of house. Personally I will miss the Waters Edge under Lee's ownership, but will look forward to frequenting in the future and judge the new owners on how they perform, not on the out of date reviews of the past.
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Just now, grendel said:
The last time I was in a dinghy, the rudder fell off, the last time I was aboard a sailing yacht one of the pins for the boom dropped off and fell into the water- so I dont have a great record in sailing boats.
I'm not sure your record is much better in motor boats!! bilge pump failure and engine failure!!!
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All of the above sounds good, until you consider that some of the boat owners know how to play the game. The BA start to take action, the owner sells the boat on to a friend. The BA start to take action against the new owner, the boat gets sold on again. Often for a pittance, often with the same boats doing the same rounds amongst the same group of friends.
What they need is the power of seizure irrespective of who owns the boat and irrespective of how long they have owned the boat for. You shouldn't be allowed to sell or buy a boat unless it is tolled and has a BSS, unless it is on dry land. In the same way you cannot buy a car and drive it away unless it is taxed.
Then you also have to consider the outcry if the BA seized a boat and it turns out to be the persons home. There are many complexities with no easy answers.
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13 minutes ago, Smoggy said:
we confuse plumbers
You sure its just plumbers?
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The warmer the inside is, the greater the differential between inside and outside and the greater the heating loss or transfer. So heating set to 20 might come on every 60 mins and take 20 mins to get upto temperature. Heating set to 21 might come on every 55 minutes because room will lose the heat quicker and might stay on for 22 minutes. At 23 it might come on every 45 minutes and stay on for 25 minutes etc.
The house and all the furniture in it are one big heat sink, which is why when you have been away and come back and put the heating on it takes so long to get warm and will cycle on more frequently as the building core reabsorbs heat lost whilst the heating was off for an extended period.
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Don't worry MM, it's called Prosopagnosia (face blindness) and can be very frustrating. It affects people differently and can run in families. There is no treatment for it, but at least you know it is a real condition.
Everyone was bemoaning the loss of a popular mooring. Now they are back, but people are moaning about the price. 
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They are where the BA moorings used to be. I believe the bit that sticks out a little, nearest to the lane, is where the 4 32ft moorings are, and the next part along, away from the lane is where the 40ft moorings are. Not sure about whether the bins are still there.