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5 minutes ago, NorfolkNog said:
Thanks, yes, I can place it now. Must be just upstream of the Mill
Pipe Line doesn't appear to be a public footpath, but a track of some sort. If it is passable to access the Green dotted line (public footpath) then using a combination of paths and roads the radar museum is quite accessible from there and about 2 miles to either end of Horning depending on which paths and roads you take.
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9 minutes ago, NorfolkNog said:
Can't seem to get that link to work?
Its a what3words location.
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27 minutes ago, charlesa said:
I must have missed the switch over but can I ask why you guys changed from the Jewels to the Symphonies ?
I suspect because they have had no breakdowns this year. They are not on first name terms with any of the Barnes mechanics, indeed they don't even know if they exist, and hopefully that continues.
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2 hours ago, Hylander said:
Sorry late to the post but can I just ask, the Morrisons mooring in Norwich, how far is the Morrisons from there. Our old legs dont walk too far these days. Is it obvious that it is a mooring?
The two images below show where the mooring is and the rough route to Morrisons. There are no obvious signs saying it is a mooring, but there is a lack of No Mooring signs there.
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7 minutes ago, Broads01 said:
The tap room sounds good, I'll try that. I used to love Redwell Steam (gluten-free beer) at The Lion but they stopped selling it there unfortunately.
It's about a mile walk from the Morrisons mooring.
The Coldham Hall Tavern also had a couple of Redwell beers on a week ago.
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5 hours ago, andyfish said:
How do Griff
Is there owt to stop anyone mooring there overnight?
Not saying I would though
There used to be a sign there saying something like 2hr short stay moorings but last time I was there that sign had gone. There is no no mooring signs so I presumed them still open and popped to the Redwell brewery tap room. The beer was good and we may have stayed a little longer than 2 hours.
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44 minutes ago, JanetAnne said:
And in date....
I think the Nisa quickly became some kind of International supermarket. I purchased a pint of milk in the Summer and it was just about in date.
Hopefully the Londis has a better turnover.
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2 hours ago, YnysMon said:
And there was me thinking menu- ooh good...food!
Hope the Londis is cheaper than the Nisa that opened up earlier in the year!
It was good, good beer!
Cannot vouch for the Londis as I haven't been in there yet, but just thought it might be useful!
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If Oulton Broad is on the lads agenda I can recommend making the effort to reach The Stanford Arms. See below for today's menu.
Also if extra provisions are needed there is now a brand new Londis at the petrol station near Oulton Broad North station.
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40 minutes ago, BuffaloBill said:
Ok. I'll put it another way... Has anyone had a notice of intended prosecution then?
Never mind the 'bylaws' etc. I'm not here to have an argument whether it's legal or
not but has anyone been fined or notified of intended action against them.
The only way to get an answer to that would be a freedom of information request.
As of the 13th June 2023 no one had received a MCN Mooring Contravention Notice.
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24 minutes ago, Oldspice said:
I've searched YouTube high and low and can't find anything about the electric post issues at Sutton Staithe... has it been taken down ?
No its still there. If I were to search for such items I would use specific search terms on the Youtube site such as Broads Authority and Sutton staithe which would probably give you a reasonably short list of videos. Then I'd look for one that had been uploaded in the last few days from that list.
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6 minutes ago, Vaughan said:
I agree.
Travellers presumably have vehicles with a current licence and MOT, giving them the right to use the highway.
And so do residential boat owners.
With regards to your last sentence, I would argue that not all do, only the law abiding ones, and this is where things do get complicated. The Police have the power to seize and possibly crush cars or vans that are not insured or MOT'd. Whilst the BA have certain powers under the Byelaws, they don't have the power to seize and destroy unless the boat is abandoned, which I'm sure no one would want anyway if it was someone's home.
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2 hours ago, Vaughan said:
Well done! Especially as two of them are hire boats. I wonder who they will serve the notice on? Daniel Thwaites?
This is where it all gets rather interesting! Since Daniel Thwaites wasn't on the boat he wasn't in a position to agree to enter into the civil contract with the BA. Further he is under no obligation to provide details of the hirer to the BA unless a Byelaw has been broken. As we already know the BA are dealing with this under civil contract law, not a Byelaw.
If Daniel Thwaites does provide the details for a civil case when he is not required to, then there is an issue to be considered for breach of GDPR.
And finally if the details of the hirer were given out, was he even at the helm, or was he unaware having left the boat in the capable hands of another helm whilst he slept of the results of the dinner time session. In which case the rest of the crew would have to search their collective memories, whilst under no legal obligation, to try and provide the name of the helm who did moor there and effectively enter into, and breach, the civil contract.
I'm rather guessing it will come to nothing and just be recorded under the column of hire boat refused to pay, on some BA spreadsheet.
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1 hour ago, Cheesey69 said:
The BA has not got to solve the live aboard issue, the rules are there, many follow them (and i have met them especially on The Chet) some don't.
The rest is a government issue, that's what we vote for. That is the bigger social problem for them to sort not the BA.
I guess where I'm coming from when I say the BA should be working with its partners to solve the issue, is that as the local planning authority it must have a responsibility.
The closest I can come to equating it, is that local authorities have a responsibility to provide a legitimate number of traveler sites and pitches. Liveaboards are I think the Broads based equivalent.
The Government has acted and created the Planning Policy for Traveler Sites. One of its stated goals is,
3. The Governments overarching aim is to ensure fair and equal treatment for traveler, in a way that facilitates the traditional and nomadic way of life of travelers while respecting the interests of the settled community.
And, some of the ways to achieve this are stated as,
b. to ensure that local planning authorities, working collaboratively, develop fair and effective strategies to meet need through the identification of land for sites
h. to increase the number of travellr sites in appropriate locations with planning permission, to address under provision and maintain an appropriate level of supply
j. to enable provision of suitable accommodation from which travellrs can access education, health, welfare and employment infrastructure
I'm not going to go into specifics, but the above is relevant to at least one of the regulars at Sutton.
I believe the BA has particularly failed in delivering the following;
10. Local planning authorities should, in producing their Local Plan:
a) identify and update annually, a supply of specific deliverable sites sufficient to provide 5 years’ worth of sites against their locally set targets[footnote 4]
b) identify a supply of specific, developable sites, or broad locations for growth, for years 6 to 10 and, where possible, for years 11-15[footnote 5]
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These things are never as simple as it seems. Firstly are the boat registered and therefore if not how do you serve paperwork to bring a court case? If they are registered they often change hands soon after to another owner and the paperwork has to be cancelled and the process started again.
There but for the grace of God, if the BA were successful and managed to get a fine lodged against them, would they be able to pay? Or as is often the case would they agree a payment plan that could be afforded, say £1 per week, which might get paid for the first month and then the BA have to go chasing the fine again.
I guess the BA's first and more importantly first course of action is to make the mooring less attractive to overstayers.
There are no easy answers. It bugs me when I turn up at Sutton and cannot get moored on the green, and it has definitely got worse in the last couple of years, but at least I do have other options, not least a home to go to.
I know there are many who make a lifestyle choice to liveaboard, or to live within their means are forced to do so and generally you wouldn't know who they are. Then there are others with little option but to do it as cheaply as they can, and others who just don't want to conform, but you have to ask your self, if there was a genuine alternative would they be living like it?
Its a more complex issue than just the Byelaws can deal with, but I do agree the BA could and should and in fact I think have a duty to do more, even if it means working more closer with the social services departments of the local and county councils the BA executive area overlaps with.
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7 minutes ago, dom said:
He says "nice thursday", so I suspect it was yesterday. Also makes reference to a Police visit.
Just how many boats does he have? Says he'll move his boats to Irstead and the other ones to Dilham, which suggests at least 4?? Have to wonder if they're all licensed.
And with that deduction you are probably getting a lot closer to why the posts have been turned off.
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11 minutes ago, Hylander said:
Today is the 5th and it states 1 day ago. I wouldnt stand up in Court with that though as not always bona fide.
Today is the 6th according to my calendar, unless yesterday was Wednesday
in which case I must have drank too much as I lost Thursday.
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9 minutes ago, dom said:
Does the date on the video reflect when it actually took place? If so, I wonder if the incident at Neatishead has any bearing on things. Only two days earlier, so could be a related safety concern?
I think that's unwise speculation to link the two. Very little details have been released in the press about the incident at Neatishead, but if it had anything to do with the safety of an electric post they would all be turned off until checked.
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39 minutes ago, MauriceMynah said:
If the facility has been withdrawn because of misuse, I wonder if, as toll payers, we have the right to have details of the nature of this "misuse".
Oh and just a quick point to Hylander. I think the filming you wrote of was more about what was being done rather than who was doing it. Difficult to do one without showing the other. Hmm sorry if that reads as condescending, just meant to give my opinion.
I'm guessing a simple email to the BA or a freedom of information request may elicit a response, but it would most likely be denied on operational grounds, if revealing too much about what has been going on could lead to others following suit, that's assuming off course that the posts have been tampered with, which I'm doubting. The person doing the filming was refunded his credit when the post was taped up, so I suspect tampering to be more and more unlikely.
I understand why this forum has removed the links to the video, but having watched it I feel it says much more about the person behind the camera, than those being filmed who behaved impeccably. The comment from the person behind the camera in the comments section for the video is also very telling!
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This is the BA wording from their post on Faceache.
Boating News - Please be aware that our electric charging posts at Sutton Staithe moorings have been temporarily withdrawn due to misuse. We will issue a further update in due course.
I cannot find the picture anymore, I think it may have been in the comments section for their post, but they have now chosen to limit commenting on that particular post, make of that what you will!
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7 minutes ago, MauriceMynah said:
I think that it is most unlikely that anyone has been stealing electricity. Much more likely that this is to discredit liveaboards and to stir up opinion against them.
I shall try to find out if the leccy has been turned off rather than the posts just tripping out, which is quite a frequent occurance.
There is a BA statement saying they have been temporarily withdrawn due to misuse and I've also seen a picture of the posts covered by a black plastic bag and tape and with a BA notice on them.
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4 minutes ago, Vaughan said:
That is astounding.
How can the BA possibly sell their green agenda for boats to go electric, when they start withdrawing what few charging points exist, because people are actually using them??
I suspect the problem is "who" is using them! Which in that case it might have been better to have implemented the policy during the busy part of the season, rather than when we are approaching the quieter colder months
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24 minutes ago, CambridgeCabby said:
The local businesses , ie The Maltsters , Ranworth stores and the Granary have all seen an increase in footfall and income since the introduction of the fees
And how much toll do they pay towards the upkeep of the mooring?
Boaters pay toll towards the upkeep and provision of moorings. Most also spend money in local businesses, but that is not a pre requisite of using a mooring.
How much do the businesses at Ranworth contribute to the BA's coffers?
I see on Faceache that the BA have withdrawn the electric post facilities at Sutton due to misuse!! For that you can probably read overstaying and being permanently plugged into the post. How long before charges are imposed there under the heading of mooring usage management? OK it is not staffed, but there is easy road access for a ranger to pop by a couple of times a day when doing other mooring checks in the area.
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3 hours ago, MargeandParge said:
Always love this thread. Up to the green spot with gin a slice of lemon top up with tonic and in the fridge for emergency.
Kindest Regards Marge and Parge
34 minutes ago, stumpy said:Gentleman single handers of a certain age who are careful about hydration might find one or two useful if kept within reach of the helm.
Just make sure you don't mix them up
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in which case I must have drank too much as I lost Thursday. 
Ranworth Mooring Fees?
in Broads Chat
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As a concession to the Car Park Operators, Section 4 of the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 allows them to chase the registered keeper of a vehicle for payment of a fine whether or not they were the driver, unless they provide details of who was actually driving the car. HOWEVER, that is specific for Parking Contravention Notices. Although the BA are trying to implement similar practices to the car parking cowboys by issuing Mooring Contravention Notices under civil contract law, they are not afforded the right under the above act as it is not a vehicle parking offence.
As it is a civil matter the BA have no right to demand your particulars unless it is in relation to a Byelaw offence.
Barnes are doing the correct thing in not supplying the names, because otherwise they WILL be in contravention of GDPR data protection law.
Link to Section 4 of the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012.
The above act made it illegal for car parking firms to clamp vehicles on private land, but as a concession, Section 4 gave them the right to chase the registered vehicle owner for the fine, or details of who was driving. It does not apply to mooring.