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Isn't it amazing how you can study a picture for weeks ... think it does look so familiar ... and yet miss the bleedin' obvious!!
You are quite right .. it is the Malsters! Many thanks!!
Carol
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Ok ... another conundrum for you!
I'm not certain that this is actually a pub ..... no pub sign visible, but it looks as though it may have a license board over the doorway?? I can't get any details out of the road sign no matter what resolution I scan it at. One possible clue to the location is in what looks like a church type notice board on the right ... could it therefore be next to a church somewhere?
I am fairly certain that it was taken somewhere on or around the northern rivers - dating from 1931.
Any ideas where it is and if it was indeed a pub?
Carol
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would that be the version by Lord Rockingham or Gordon Franks and his Orchestra?
It was Lord Rockingham! Confiscate my records !!!!!
Simon ... having seen the way that the skipper was throwing Iverna around Wroxham Broad, I don't think I'd be smiling either by that point! (where's the seasick smiley)
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Back to some photos!
As I mentioned before, the rivers were quite busy during the summer months during the 1930s as the popularity of boating holidays on the Broads increased. Whilst many boatyards were building and hiring out the new fangled motor cruisers, the sailing boats available for hire still outnumbered them. From a basic half-decker with a camping awning right up to some very large and luxurious yachts which were hired with an attendant.
The first photo album I have is from 1931 features a holiday taken by a party of ladies onboard the yacht "Iverna" which was built by Ernest Collins of Wroxham .... and what a stunner she was! She came with a skipper and cost around £10 - £13 per week to hire.
1933 brochure entry for Iverna:
Some of the holiday party ..... I love the parasols! Horning Swan can be seen in the background.
Moored up for the evening in a quiet spot .....
River scene .. unknown location, but probably on the Bure.
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Sam Lanin did some great stuff with his various dance orchestras ... one of the first 78's I had was his version of Sweet Sue which is a stomping tune!
In the mid 80s we could only get one size of needle for it ... bought from Norwich Record Exchange I think! So if your dad recieved complaints about the couple on Pastel Blue Gem (or was it Petite Blue Gem) who were blaring out "Hoots Mon" as they cruised along the Ant in August 1985 ... it wasn't us!
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I'm still busy trying to sort through and clean up my 1930s photos but will post a few later if I get the chance.
In the meantime ... going back to hiring, or taking along a wind-up gramaphone on the Broads in the 1930s. This is an example of some of the popular music of the day which is just so evocative of the era.
We actually bought a wind-up gramaphone (1940s model) when we took our second trip on the Broads in 1985 ... packed up a selection of 78's to take along with us ... and then couldn't use it because it was so bl**dy loud!!
The Broads must have been a noisy place in the 1930s! The gramaphones didn't have volume controls and the only way to try and quieten it down was to stuff some fabric into it to try and muffle the sound a bit .... I'm sure that I read somewhere that this was where the expression "put a sock in it" originated from. Carol
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Thanks Howard. It still has that central window above the door though which isn't evident in my photo ... I wonder whether it might be worth sending an email to the current owner to see whether they have any old pictures of the place.
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The old Eagle now appears to be a holiday cottage ... link to website with photo below. It looks as though it has had bays fitted at the front, but probably a later addition. The top window configuration looks right as do the type of brick in the building. Just can't find an older photo of the place at the moment.
http://www.horton4.co.uk/cottages.htm
I think the 1937 might actually refer to when he left the pub rather than when he took over the license.
Carol
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Bingo !!!!
Well ... I think so ! I have found a George Henry Slaughter listed as licensee of the Eagle at Neatishead on Norfolk Pubs. It lists him as being there from 1937, although the dates on there may be wrong?? I just haven't found a picture of the Eagle yet to confirm or reject. I will keep searching ...
http://www.norfolkpubs.co.uk/norfolkn/neatishead/neatet.htm
Carol
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Hi Howard
Many thanks for posting the pictures .... at least it rules out some possibles. I don't think it is the Anchor - they certainly moored at the Anchor but it appears to have been painted white even back then ... at least the side that faced the river was.
If the Norfolk Pubs website has landlord names right, then nothing seems to match up with the name George Slaughter. I know that there were quite a few Slaughters living around the Horning area, but this might be another red herring!
I seem to spend so many hours playing detective and trying to pinpoint locations in old photographs! Many are blatently obvious, others are identified without too much difficulty, but when you have so little to go on (as in this case) it can be an almost impossible task. I may have to add it to my mystery page and hope that someone , somewhere will have a definative answer one day!
Carol
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Thanks for the replies so far
Smellyloo - it's the only photo I have of that location and I haven't cropped it, so don't know if it fronts on to the road or a river. The gents were part of the boating party so wouldn't have cycled there.
I don't think it could be the Ship at Reedham because that has sticky out bays on the front of the building ( a bit like Cantley Reedcutter) doesn't it?
Sutton Staithe is an interesting suggestion, but I'm not sure for a few reasons. It was a hotel and country club from the early 1930s but the name of the proprietor I have linked to the place was Basil Hitchin and I assume that the proprietor would also be the licensee?? I found literary referrance to him being there in the 30s and 40s, although the earliest advert I personally have for Sutton Staithe which mentions him is from 1939.
The door in my old picture is quite low ... the current door is higher which might account for the change of brickwork BUT, there is a window above the door in Howards photo of which there doesn't appear to be any evidence in my old photo .... it looks pretty original to me and it seems unlikely that they would have let the wisteria/ivy/ virginia creeper (or whatever it was) grow up across the window if there was one there in the 30s. As Howard pointed out, there seems to be a larger gap between the door and the windows/french doors in the modern photo ... I'm not sure even taking perspective of different angles in to account that it would look so significantly different? I'd really like to see an old photo of the hotel but, despite trawling through all of my books and scouring the internet, I can't find one!
I don't think it's Catlfield ... the windows are different as is the brickwork above them. The door is similarly low, but again doesn't have the right brickwork or shape of frame above it.
It's a real puzzle ... I have checked out every possible pictorial referrance I can think of at the moment to try and come up with an answer! I wondered about the back of the Bell at St.Olaves for a while ... but on checking an old photo the window configuration was wrong for that one too!! It could of course be a pub that no longer exists??
I went through the photos again and have a list of places that I know they did visit:
Coltishall
Ranworth (doesn't look like the Malsters though)
South Walsham
Hickling
Horning
The Ant .... I have a photo with How Hill in the background but don't know whether they made it any further but quite possibly did.
On the Southern rivers they stopped at St. Olaves, Oulton Broad and possibly went down to Beccles, although I'm not certain on that one!
Carol
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Another pub puzzle .... only this time I don't actually know where it is! The photo was taken in 1934 - the licensee's name appears to be George Slaughter. I have done a search of the Norfolk Pubs website and can't find a match. It could however be in Suffolk, but I am fairly certain that it is/ was a Broadland pub. It could be Norfolk ... I just don't know! The holiday it was taken on did include a trip to the Southern Rivers but started at Wroxham.
I did start to wonder whether it might have been the Locks at Geldeston as the door and windows look right .... however, I have a picture of the Locks pre 1934 and there were shutters either side of the windows (which were still there in the 1960s) and it appeared to be painted white even back then. So that ruled that one out.
I'm stumped .... any ideas??
And is it just me ... that chap on the right looks very much like Bob Mortimer!
Carol
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Doh ... it was on the Ludham Archive site that I must have seen the picture .... scroll down on this page and there is a photo from 1912 and a little bit of info about the pub:
http://www.ludhamarchive.org.uk/then.htm
Carol
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I'm sure that I have seen an old picture of the Dog somewhere .... just can't remember where at the moment!
Have you tried contacting Nigel at the Ludham Community Archive - they have hundreds of old photos of the village and surrounding area, so he may well be able to help.
http://www.ludhamarchive.org.uk/photo.htm
Carol
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I've just had search of the British Pathe website for footge of the Graf Zeppelin ...... I have found newsreel from 1931 when it visited London ... perhaps the photograph I have was taken on that trip?
It's a fascinating bit of film which really shows you just how big she was!! Great footage of her landing and taking off again and the vast crowds the visit drew.
http://www.britishpathe.com/record.php?id=6498
There is various other footage of the Graf on there too if you do a search, including film of her under construction.
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I think it would have been highly unlikely that it was staged ... as I said, these are stills taken from cine footage of a family holiday. I can't see a middle class family from Leeds being interested in staging a hoe demonstration to liven up their holiday film!
I suspect that they were just passing the field at one of the points that they stopped at over the week .... the chaps did seem to be pushing them a good way down the field. Of course, I have no way of knowing whether it could have been staged by another photographer, but I suspect that they were actually hoeing that field ..... we bred 'em tough in Norfolk in those days!
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Thanks Strowager.... After I found out that it couldn't have been a British airship in 1931, I only really checked the Wikipedia list of airships within the date range of my photos and the Graf Zeppelin was the one which seemed to fit the bill and profile! Quite amazing for someone to have taken a photo of her on their Broads holiday.... these old photos do turn up some odd things at times!!
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Yes .. that is a speck of dust, or mark on the photo (as is the black mark across the top of the airship). I did very hasty clean up of the image to post on here!
1931 is definately the correct date for the photos.
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I'd forgotten that I had some aerial photos of the Broads which date from the early 1930s which demonstrate just how much the area has changed over the years when you compare them to Google maps! They are obviously at a different angle to the Google views, but you can work out what is what!
The first one is of Great Yarmouth and shows the old Breydon Rail Viaduct pictured earlier and the Vauxhall railway station and sidings where Asda now stands. It also shows the old suspension bridge which is where the new Acle road bridge now crosses the Bure.
And here is the modern Google Maps view!
I know that there are a few members who moor at Brundall so thought that this one might be of interest ..... the 30s aerial view shows that Brundall riverside has changed drmatically!
And the Google Maps view ...
I have a few more of these if they are of interest?
Carol
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Excellent stuff ... many thanks Pete, you're a star!
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Hi
I know it possible to embed You Tube videos and photos from external sources like Photobucket etc., but is it possible to embed other external content e.g. Google Maps and the like which supply the code to embed items in other websites.
If so .. then how do you do it? I just thought that the ability to embed Google Maps in particular might have some very practical uses on here.
Carol
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I have been having a poke round on the internet this afternoon, and I don't think this is a British airship. As far as I can gather, the UK suspended airship flights after the R101 crashed in France in 1930. The shape, compared to the UK airships is wrong too ..... I think it is a Zeppelin and quite possibly the German passenger airship the LZ 127 Graf Zeppelin.
Link to the Wikepedia entry for the LZ 127: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LZ_127_Graf_Zeppelin
It apparently made regular trans-Atlantic flights and in July 1931 went to the Arctic. Link to the Wikipedia image of the LZ 127 below.
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My two 1930s photo abums arrived yesterday .... it's like christmas for me when something like that arrives in the post!
Whilst going through them was rather surprised to see the image below (from 1931) ... I thought it was a UFO at first, and then it suddenly clicked! Not the greatest quality photo I'm afraid but very interesting. What a sight it must have been to see one of these hovering over the Broads.
I knew that we had the airship station in Norfolk at Pulham ... I guess it must have come from there. More details of the air station here: http://pennoyers.org.uk/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=126&Itemid=1&limit=1&limitstart=0
The photos are going to take me a while to sort out, but I will stick a few on this thread when I get the chance.
In The 1930s ....
in The Historic Broads
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Hi Jax
Many thanks ... glad that you found it of interest. Sorry to have kept you up late!
I've seen your boat about .... she is beautiful and I'm very jealous!
I remember seeing the brokers interior pictures when she was up for sale a couple of years or so ago and she did look very original .... sadly Camelot didn't draw my lottery numbers at the time!!
Carol