[So You Can Go Swimming!]

Previously I have seen accusations of bullying and wondered where.

However this time I have been on the minority side supporting the swimming event and I have seen how some posts can make you feel that you shouldn't be expressing such a foolhardy view. Almost a feeling of ridicule.

Now I should make it plain that there are a few well argued, eloquent posts expressing their concern, the bullying style posts tend to be posted by followers of these.

I don't for one moment think these individuals mean to be bullies but the wording is clumsy and can be interpreted as such.

I actually don't care what people say to me and the bullying comments make me even more compelled to have my say but I couldn't let the concerns raised by others be dismissed is such an off hand way.

Maybe we should all stop and think ...... are we sure that we show the correct respect to those who express opposing views

[So You Can Go Swimming!]

7 minutes ago, JennyMorgan said:

They certainly have a duty of care and I hope by going public that they will both review and respond to my concerns. I don't expect an immediate response, such would probably have to go to the legal dept before release.

Let's hope the organisers of the event are not seeking legal advise re: some of the wild accusations made against them.

[AQUAFIBRE MOULDS]

22 minutes ago, SPEEDTRIPLE said:

Through facebook, i found an old school friend who was running his own business. He made big of the fact he was opening a manufacturing plant in eastern europe because he qualified for business grants from the eu that he simply WOULD`NT qualify for had he wanted to expand in THIS country. Result, his manufacturing plant in this country closed down, while HE was buying a much bigger house, and trading his 32ft yacht for a brand new Oyster, and all at the expense of his loyal workforce and cheaper options in eastern europe.  Needless to say, when i ripped into him for doing such a thing, him and i soon stopped being old friends.

Sad that you lost an old friend but this illustrates the opportunities that will be denied to us when we wave sad farewells to our European cousins.

[So You Can Go Swimming!]

17 minutes ago, Philosophical said:

I would have thought that by now given the overwhelming identification of hazards and risks associated with holding the event on that specific section of water, by people who are quite clearly experienced and knowledgeable in these matters, that either BA or the organisers would have issued  a statement to the effect that they will review the safety, timing and location of the event.

So, with complete dismissal of others opinion you claim your view to be of such importance that it is the only one that merits consideration.

We have been told that the organisers entered into discussion re these maters with several respected bodies and got approval for the event.

I, and others who support the event have been accused of having little regard for safety. When I am told that the safety aspects surrounding this event have been considered I believe them. That may be naive but I feel it is better than imagining untold catastrophes that may befall the swimmers, the safety boats, the emergency services etc etc.

If you have proof that the organiser has disregarded safety concerns then that is a different matter however I have read nothing more than speculation that this has been so.

[So You Can Go Swimming!]

I was determined not to make any more contributions on this thread but given the continued hysteria and unfounded speculation that is continually being regurgitated here I feel compelled to speak just one more time.

The broads doesn't belong to any one interest group and no group can claim more rights than any other. Back in early 1900 s regattas were a time for the whole community to enjoy the waterside, regular swimming, fishing, sailing and the emerging motor boaters all  existed quite amicably .... Indeed much swimming took place from moored boats.

For the first time in ages we have a swimming event on the calendar. This demonstrates that the water quality is now considered clean enough for swimming ... This we should celebrate.

After consultation with the authorities the health and safety kill joys have been silenced and the event given the green light .... This we should celebrate.

The nbn then announce judgement claiming the majority don't want it to happen for reasons which have been continually repeated on this thread .... mainly health and safety with a touch of why should boaters be inconvenienced.

This I cannot celebrate ..... Most of the safety concerns stated here could be applied to canoeists, sail boats, row boats, crew on moored boats, mud weighting etc etc. Should we ban all activity on the broads? This surely would lead to the inevitable dreaded new branding.

 

[So You Can Go Swimming!]

17 minutes ago, grendel said:

in all honesty I dont believe that they will be taken seriously after that, most of the people who dont seem to worry about everyone elses safety concerns appear to me to be arguing for the sake of it, and that is what leads to the disruption, strangely too, they are the ones that continue other threads to the point of disruption, I would suggest that we just ignore them.

I never thought I would read such a statement here on the nbn.

There are usually two sides to every debate, both have merit and deserve equal respect, assuming that is you want to maintain nbn as an open, welcoming, friendly forum.

 

[So You Can Go Swimming!]

15 minutes ago, Ricardo said:

Not a worthy statement really , the NBN carry's no weight with safety groups or events , however it clearly has an opinion and the majority have stated that its not the right area ie that stretch of river and I for one agree , I don't think anyone is being a killjoy at all but I do see a lot of common sense and experience .

A few who have felt motivated to contribute .... certainly not the majority of members.

What I find disappointing is that whilst valid concerns have been raised there appears to be an assumption that these have been ignored/overlooked in the safety review of the event.

[So You Can Go Swimming!]

I guess it is important that every broadland event meets the exactING safety scrutiny and approval from nbn members?

If so nothing would ever happen.

 

[So You Can Go Swimming!]

9 minutes ago, Bound2Please said:

Mel without teams if you get your 200 entrants when I went to school £70 entry = £14.000.00 so how do you think lucky to break even????.

I feel uncomfortable with this interrogation I'm not sure it is anybody else's business

 

[So You Can Go Swimming!]

6 minutes ago, Wussername said:

Boating?

Ferry cross the mersey lol

 

 

[So You Can Go Swimming!]

Actually Liverpool is a lovely place to visit these days    ...   I think it attracts more visitors than broadland. 

[So You Can Go Swimming!]

7 minutes ago, Wussername said:

Has anybody mentioned the obvious message which will be given that if it is OK to swim in the Waveney then surely it is OK to swim in the Bure, the Ant and what about a nice dip in the Yare.

Andrew

I watched a recent TV program of people who regularly swim across the mersey. Im not aware that this resulted in hordes of people taking to regular swimming there. 

[So You Can Go Swimming!]

We have been assured that a thorough safety assessment has been carried out, is there a need for less informed individuals to cast doubts on the advisability based on safety.

Wild swimmers, which this event will attract, are used to swimming in conditions much worse than the waveney, surely we can allow them to decide if this event is viable.

Sadly we seem to live in a society where we revel in thinking up reasons not to do things instead of welcoming new ideas.

I hope the negativity written here, although well intentioned, won't put the organisers off from organising future broadland events.

One final request please can we refer to the broads as the broads ... continued use of national park label only serves to fuel discontent and ill feeling amongst members. 

[So You Can Go Swimming!]

Angling and swimming events coexisted quite amicably for many years in Beccles. 

 

[So You Can Go Swimming!]

That's great news. It's nice to see the return of swimmers to Beccles .... memories of the old regatta frolics.

It's also good to open up the rivers to other interest groups other than boating and fishing.

I note that there will be tests on the condition of the water prior to the event.

One again the Suffolk broads lead the way.

 

[Having The Right Tackle]

2 hours ago, Ricardo said:

I've 2 crystal decanter's n both are in storage , unnecessary  really the said substance even comes in a glass container  why put it another ? 

I always keep an expensive bottle of malt on standby ready for a refill from Aldi  own brand.

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1 hour ago, Paladin said:

Prejudice - "preconceived opinion that is not based on reason or actual experience."

I think that JennyMorgan has sufficient reasoning capacity, and actual experience of John Packman, to be able to come to an intelligent, rather than a preconceived, opinion. 'Well-known deep-seated suspicion of John Packman' might have been a more accurate description, one which would also apply to me and numerous others.

Thank you for the English lesson ..... I will strive, probably without success, to ensure my postings what I make will be better constructed.

[Broadland Grebe]

12 hours ago, Ricardo said:

OK time to come clean  , its me Mr hatch or Tony to those that remember Crossroad's .

Yea I have a bit of history with ripple craft being responsible for the new front screens to broad land lapwing along with both hatch's and the bespoke interior + a lot more .

So there we go the cats out of the bag now and yes I'm going to be doing the sliding roof cabin sides too .

Regarding this previous hatch iv seen it ,  in fact I was asked by BGs previous owners who I also know personally to replace it but sadly I was way too busy at that point , The OPs description of it is pretty much spot on but iv  idea who made it but if it had been me I'd have given up n thrown all my tools in the river 

 

Blimey, you kept that quiet. I didn't know you did boat building! 

[Hemsby]

Some dramatic views eastcoastipa.  Thanks for sharing

 

[Hemsby]

Maybe the local councils should relax planning and make plots available on nearby farm land to accommodate those who lose uninsured clifftop properties.

 

[Countryfile Awards. Did The Broads Win?]

It is unlikely that a consensus will be achieved on this subject.

Contributors on both sides seem entrenched in their views and are unlikely to be swayed one way or the other.

However it is important that people's views are respected whether you agree or not.

I haven't noticed any posts that have challenged the tos unless I have missed a deleted post.

Whilst some may view lively dialogue  as confrontational, many believe that it is an essential aspect for a successful forum. 

 

[Broads History Video]

2 hours ago, Chelsea14Ian said:

Great film,not a life jacket in sight and many going for a dip in the broad.Liked the shopping list,don' think many would want most of it now.

 

But in those days people knew how to look out for themselves no such thing as nanny state or blame culture.

If you made a judgement mistake you accepted that you had been a idiot.

 

[Countryfile Awards. Did The Broads Win?]

That's quite sad. That said the winning parks are very picturesque.

But it's the taking part that is important, any publicity for the broads is welcomed.

 

[Trixie (Rascal's Fleet)]

7 minutes ago, johnb said:

If members are interested in discussing the desirability or otherwise of having a survey done on a potential purchase then perhaps a seperate thread could be started. This thread seems to me to have become a discussion regarding Robins judgement, not, IMHO a subject for this forum. 

Whilst I understand your sentiment on this occasion Robin quite openly discussed his preferred method of purchase. So discussion regarding this is IMHO quite justified on this thread.

[Trixie (Rascal's Fleet)]

 If you have loads of money then you can justify buying blind as you can afford to bin it and try again.

If, like most of us, you are spending hard earned savings on a dream then you only have one shot so you need to do all you can to ensure there are no nasty surprises.