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    Boat Wanted.

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    19 minutes ago, Smoggy said:

    What you thought you wanted often turns out to be wrong once you use it in practise, unfortunately with boats it's usually a lengthy and costly exercise to change things and try again.

    Forget PH bridge if you want space and comfort, half the 'traditional' boats that used to go under don't now, and don't bank on southern broads bridges always opening if you go flybridge as they are often not working.

    Maybe I should forget a boat and get a Kayak:default_biggrin:, no seriously understand your comments.

    A Viking or Shetland should get under everything except I believe Thorpe railway Bridges and the Old Potter Heigham

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    36 minutes ago, WherryNice said:

    Here are my thoughts....

    ..Personally, anything petrol powered over about 20ft is a no for me, too much hassle to refuel and the risks from carbon monoxide poisioning and vapour explosion are too great.(both can be mitigated of course but IMO not worth it due to the refuelling issue).

    Outboards do get stolen on the Broads too.

    Personally, Potter Heigham Bridge does not factor in to my boat choices, anything capable of regularly making the trip will be too compromised in other ways for me. Wroxham is worth consideration because the main free moorings are the wrong side of it and the trip to Coltishall is beautiful!

    All boats, especially ones on the Broads, are a compromise of somekind and figuring out what combination works for you can take several boats to figure out(just ask certain members on here). 

    If going for something tall I would make sure it has a flying bridge, that way you trade off poor bridge clearance for increased views over countryside etc.

    Used prices for nearly new boats may be strong because they are ready to go "now" whereas a new one may take a while to be delivered etc.

    I wouldn't choose either the Bounty or Alpha personally but both seem suited to the Broads generally and the idea of just getting out on the water to see what's what is probably a good one.

    Anyhoo, just my musings, hope it helps

    Definitely does help, this is the sort of info I need. Can I ask why you dismiss the Bounty and the Alpha?

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    1 hour ago, PaulN said:

    Personally I would avoid outboard motors.

    Petrol is not available on the broads.

    Stern on moorings tend to be more difficult and there are many places where stern on is the norm.

    Engine theft, although I'm not aware of this on the broads, it is fairly widespread elsewhere.

    Diesel tanks are much safer.

    When I started my search I was anti outboard and then some people said they have come a long way opposed to what they used to be. Then up popped the petrol availability, or lack of, problem. Have been given various bits of info such as fill it up then just bring 5 litres as a top up, sounds a bit of a faff. There is the stern on problem but some do have large 'bathing platforms' with cut outs that protect the outboard.

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    1 hour ago, BrundallNavy said:

    I would not buy any of these for the broads you will be very restricted as to where you can go.  You need an airdraft under 7ft to make the most of the navigation as some of the best bits are under low bridges. 

    All the Vikings and Shetlands are well under 7ft it is the others that are causing me to be hesitant.

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    1 hour ago, Jbx5 said:

    Hi  my opinion through experience I think you would get a bit fed up of carrying petrol cans around as there aren’t any petrol pumps any more around here. 
    The Shetlands seem a good starter boat but they do seem to change hands quite regularly for some reason.

    There is a Shetland 29i on again which gives better stern on access but it’s a bit over priced in my opinion. 

    There isn’t much decent around at the moment I’m afraid but this could change once April comes so don’t rush into it would be my thoughts.

    John

     

    Have the the 29i and as it is an inboard one loses quite a proportion of sleeping accommodation and for a 2010 looks a tad pricey. Now looks to be sold, if we are talking the NYA one. Was on the market yesterday.

    There is a Shetland Owners Association who seem pretty useless. Very little input from members. Though I did get the impression that liaising with the owner of Shetland can be a bit problematic. In his defence I met him a couple of weeks ago and seemed a good guy.

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    Hi

    Right I am back with a lot more questions.

    Done a fair bit of looking at boats in the last week.

    Now the questions first few relate to prices.

    1. One thing I have noticed is the wide variation in prices for basically the same boat, year condition etc

    For example there were, now both sold, two Shetland 27s,both 2010. Inboard version £64k outboard version £43K

    I was very interested in the outboard one but unfortunately missed the boat :default_biggrin: as deposit taken earlier the

    morning I visited. Anyway £20k looks a lot to me between inboard and outboard.

    2. Again on prices have seen a couple of Viking 275s. 2021 model at £75k and a 2020 model at £77k

    I have been quoted £80k, open to a deal, for a brand new one direct from Viking. I know boats do not 

    devalue like cars but to me the new one seems the obvious option.

    3. Right now links to a couple of boats for your knowledgeable opinion as to value for money and 

    suitability for Broads usage.

    https://www.norfolkboatsales.co.uk/inventory/?post=12647

    https://www.nya.co.uk/boats-for-sale/alpha-26-8/

    The second one was in my mind as to get me on the water and find out what I really need.

    Final link

    https://www.norfolkboatsales.co.uk/nautic/

    Looked over a new one at Brundall yesterday and my wife very taken with it, as she would be knowing her.

    Anybody ever heard of this company. The boats are Polish but very little info about them on the web.,

    And finally a couple of more general questions.

    When viewing various boats am told following

    Oh yes will get under all bridges

    Will get under most bridges

    Will def not get under Wroxham or Potter Heigham

    How annoying will I find it to not be able to go north of Wroxham towards Coltishall or go

    east from Potter Heigham?

    And finally finally can anyone recommend a good boating map of the Broads.

    That is it for now folks.

    Many thanks in advance.

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    3 hours ago, CambridgeCabby said:

    Not without exiting the Ouse system via The Wash and then entering The Broads at either Lowestoft or Great Yarmouth , not something recommended in a river boat without estuary or coastal ability 

    Was looking on google maps I could not see an obvious route. You have confirmed there isn't one.

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    3 hours ago, ranworthbreeze said:

    We also have two tubular heaters in our engine bay on a frost stat, these type of heaters have been around for years, many shops used to have them in the shop windows to stop condensation, these older type have an oval profile. the 240 volt heaters are usually 20 watts per foot.

    My showing your age recalling those. Often were not particularly good as I remember many shops one could not see what was behind the window in winter.

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    15 hours ago, CambridgeCabby said:

    We had a look at her when she was last for sale , certainly not overpriced in todays market , however you can tell she is ex-hire by the scuffs/nicks etc on the hull and superstructure .

    I worked out that we would have to spend in the region of £15k to get her in the condition we would want her to be in .

    that said these diamonds seem to really hold their price well .

     

     

    Can I ask what the £15k would have been spent on?

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    17 hours ago, Stationerystill said:

    There are no petrol pumps on the Broads so I would chose a diesel for safety and economy. A Broom Skipper 30 ft. should go under the bridges and is well built with good handling.

    How strange no petrol on broads. Again in my naivety I just assumed there would be. There was on Wednesday when I visited St Ives, the boatyard had it... at £1.75 what a bargain.

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    6 hours ago, Smoggy said:

    I know of a princess 30ds for sale at that budget, not only do you get inboard diesel engine but you get a spare ready fitted and run in.

    Hi

     

    My only concern with such

    6 hours ago, Smoggy said:

    I know of a princess 30ds for sale at that budget, not only do you get inboard diesel engine but you get a spare ready fitted and run in.

    boat is the height

    I am ma1ing a right hash of this reply, not sure how to delete and start again. I have looked up specs of this boat.

    Two concerns height and fuel consumption. All look to have a pair. of great big Volvo diesels.

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    18 hours ago, Ray said:

    I don't know your level of experience so please don't take offence if I'm stating the blindingly obvious.

    Outboard engines are fine, perhaps you are well used to them, if not then it's worth considering that a lot of broads moorings are stern on. Can be a bit of a faff and boarding and alighting can be trickier.

    Salesmen and I say this without criticism, will say whatever makes the sale.

    Many businesses, marine or otherwise will fill a budget if they know it.

    Caveat Emptor!

    As I say, I haven't the pleasure of meeting you or knowing you so sincere apologies if it  seems to be  patronising, that is not my intent 👍🍺

    No offence taken at all, not that you said anything offending anyway. Experience on a motor cruiser is NIL. Sailing yachts yes but always with an inboard engine. On looking over a Viking 275 yesterday was pointed out that the two side steps, as shown on attached piccy, offer some protection to the boat and motor when mooring stern on.

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    Answering Ray top of budget is £100K but preferably somewhat less. I was quite struck by the Shetland 27s, so yesterday visited Jones boatyard at St Ives to look over a Shetland 245, not for sale but to give me an idea on how it feels. Ticked all the boxes except one. We used to caravan and in the end decided we wanted a permanent bed made up and not have to fuff with putting table is gaps and rearranging cushions, same for the boat.  The 245 has a double at the front but we do not want to be looking at a bed all day so that means there has to be a double somewhere else. So all that is left is a very, very small space on the port side in no way a double . Additionally very little room between ones head and the cockopit floor.  Today looked at Shetland 29 and 27 they all suffer from the same, the classic "coffin berths" I believe they are called.

    Now enter the Viking Seamaster 28  and Viking 275. Bit more spartan than the Shetland but do have the option of a full sized double going across the boat with much more space between cockpit floor and ones head. They are doing currently a 295 and 300 so am going to ring them tomorrow as the literature on them is rather limited.

    Having seen various boats today and talked to salesman my original thoughts that I had to have an inboard engine would appear to have taken a back seat. Been told by one and all that modern outboards are very quiet, cheaper and much easier maintenance.

    So call to Viking in the morning.

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    4 hours ago, Andrewcook said:

    Hi welcome to the Forum mad house as it's a very good Topics gets raised as you may  have already notice I hope? 

    Would not be a proper forum if not a madhouse to some degree.

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