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24 minutes ago, floydraser said:
My apologies Vaughan. The "you" in the last sentence was not directed directly at you. Maybe I should have put: How about any of you who have time on their hands and a devotion to the future well being and success of the Broads as a navigation, volunteer to pass on your experience to first time holiday makers for free. Expenses plus a tip?
The trial run driver is not a casual contribution to the holiday experience. It is integral to the customers safety and to the companies responsibility to provide value, concern, and a positive statement of commitment.
Expenses plus a tip.
It was never my objective.
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2 minutes ago, marshman said:
Vaughan - I have already been taken to task for suggesting that the BA will make a lot of fuss but at the end of the day, not get much further than shining a few more trousers!!
Your summing up says it pretty succinctly I guess - I would like to think things might change but to what end? I doubt, sadly, whether they will stop, let alone reduce accidents, at all!
At least it will demonstrate that we have tried.
We will not have neglected our responsibility.
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8 hours ago, JennyMorgan said:
No problem, nearby bucket and chucket! Or a discrete funnel and a hose into the bilge.
I was thinking of a somewhat more nefarious activity.
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7 minutes ago, JennyMorgan said:
If folk want a skipper then I recommend that they book a week on the Wherry Albion:
A bit spartan old man. I would go for Hathor or White Moth at our age what! what!
Even got a piano on board, for a jolly old sing song.
No creeping down the corridor in the dead of night now!
Night night. Sweet repose. Half the bed and all the clothes.
Now, where did I put my snuff box?
Old Wussername
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19 minutes ago, RealWindmill said:
Agreed RB, and also agree us older hands all mess up on occasion, sometimes embarassingly so.
We want to encourage these first timers to come and enjoy and learn from their early adventures.
I just think that that most of these first timers would appreciate learning more quickly and not get put off by a bad early experience and that should result in plenty of return hirers year on year. That would please the hire yards and their finances.
I am guilty as to having an attitude to some who hire and indeed some of those of the private sector. We should and must show tolerance and consideration. In turn this attitude must be reciprocated. As a forum we must demonstrate our acceptance of this ideal.
Old Wussername
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It is interesting to read of the interaction between the master, helm, skipper, pilot.
Communication on a boat is imperative to a safe voyage. On a racing sailing cruiser expect to be shouted at, sworn at, encouraged, humiliated if things go wrong.
On a hire boat it is not so extreme. But you must pay attention to your designated helm.
It is his responsibility to communicate.
Prepare the mooring lines.
Tell the crew why you are turning the boat into the flow of the river
When you intend to mananouver the boat.
Secure the bow rope first and then the stern
When to get off, when it is safe to get off.
Do not jump.
In brief the helm, the skipper must be aware of his responsibilities and be able to communicate with his crew. And the crew must be prepared to listen and conform.
The above is a brief summary of his obligations but not all.
Such an understanding may contribute in some way towards a discussion towards our commitment to identifying and reducing the frequency of incidents.
Old Wussername
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44 minutes ago, EastCoastIPA said:
One of the members James Knight at yesterday's Broads Authority meeting made mention of the fact that despite popular belief hire boats hadn't really got that much larger as in longer, there have always been long hire boats around, but that they had got taller leading to the impression of much larger boats. I did think at the time he was making that distinction, that is the part a lot of hirers will struggle with in high winds, the windage on the side and trying to arrive or leave a mooring with that much windage.
I know that when it is really windy I put my roof down and the windscreen down to reduce windage when coming in to stern moor back at my home mooring which can be a little tight, especially when a good South Westerly is blowing.
I do feel that in some instances that there is an over reliance on the bow thruster. It does have limitations. Unfortunately some trial runs do not take this into account and without this understanding some struggle during the mooring process.
Andrew
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8 minutes ago, marshman said:
Any BA initiative will likely be window dressing as you would expect - well thats my guess!!
I think that your guess may be wrong in the light of current events. Expect the unexpected.
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I wonder what happened to all those people who read and who made a comment. Where have they all gone or are they still amongst us. I like to think that they still follow our ramblings but choose not to get involved.
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A blast from the past!
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I mentioned several months ago that there needed to be an accreditation for those who conduct trial runs, in the past so often the trial run would befall those who might well have had the skills to drive a boat but an inability to teach.
Take the river Ant at Stalham, a completely different scenario that you will experience at say Reedham, Great Yarmouth, St Olaves and yet I have come across trial run drivers who have never been on the southern rivers or indeed had any real experience of the broads.
Conversely, at some boat yards you will find individuals who are very experienced, knowledgeable, and are able to communicate their skill.
If you care to observe from the quay heading or river bank, engage in conversation you will soon discover that sometimes there can be difference in the quality of the trial run. Perhaps this needs to be addressed.
In the first instance I am not advocating in any shape or form certification for the boat hirer or private owner. It simply would be unworkable and virtually impossible to monitor and control.
But there does need to be an identification and introduction of a basic skill set, common to ALL boat yards and all hirers and in the fullness of time private owners which is taught at an intermediate level. In simple terms everybody is flying information, singing from the same song sheet. Once that has been established it will be a step forward in implementing a defined and disciplined approach to the issue.
There needs to be guidance with regard to the format of this proposal. We have at our disposal some 26 years of data relating to incidents in order that that should be able to assist in making an informed decision as to which matters take priority for example Embarkation/Disembarkation features prominently amongst injuries requiring hospitalisation with some 33 admissions last year. There are of course other matters to consider.
As for documenting previous experience then a system is already in place. After the trial run has been completed a tick sheet is filled in for the boatyards record. Simply hand a copy to the hirer, signed by both parties and date stamped. Such a document could be filed by the recipient as a record to be shown on a future occasion. A log book if you will giving confirmation of previous experience.
In conclusion it must always be recognised that when compared with many recreational pursuits boating on the broads has an enviable safety record despite the dreadful incidents over the last few weeks.
A few days ago the Broads Authority stated that Mr Packman in consultation with the hire industry and the boating community in general will be seeking ways to improve on a range of issues for the benefit of us all and in this respect the hire boat industry together with the private sector will once again demonstrate their ability to make a positive contribution.
But as in all things we must be careful not to "over egg the pudding"
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It was some three weeks ago that I decided to drive down to Ranworth/Malthouse broad. Parked the car opposite the Post Office Shop and proceeded to walk around the green. It was indeed a carnival atmosphere with children laughing, cheering, shouting and generally doing what children do.........having fun, enjoying themselves. The parents were lounging about by their boats and on their boats enjoying the wonderful sunshine.
I meandered along the dyke opposite the dingy dyke until I reached the end which enabled me to observe where all the noise and shrieking was coming from. It was very evident.
Several children were involved. At the very entrance to the dyke. In the dyke were five or six hire boats or private boats.
The children, were enjoying the water. Two, about 8 or ten years old, were on a paddle board. Three were on a Lillo type floating mattress. One was just swimming about.
At any one time all were swimming. Several feet into the broad, several feet into the navigation area.
Boats were preparing to leave; boats were jostling for that all important advantage to gain a mooring that had been vacated. These were not rowing boats but some 40ft hire boats in control of experienced helm. Some were not experienced.
At the same as this scene unfolded another was taking place. Coming down the dyke from the River Bure onto Malthouse broad itself a large hire sailing cruiser made a majestic entrance under full sail. On reaching the broad it turned to port and proceeded to “cruise” the broad, being helmed seemingly effortlessly supported by an able crew. The craft turned, passed several craft mud weighting.
Having completed its run the boat started to repeat the exercise again.
What followed next was quite amazing. Figures were seen of young people on the boat running down the deck of the boat under full sail and at regular intervals jumping of the stern. From a distance it was reminiscent of a craft launching depth charges. There was now a situation where four or five people were in the water separated by a distance of some 15 feet between each swimmer in the middle of the broad.
The sailing craft on more than one occasion passed through the swimmers. Thankfully no other boats were competing with each other for the same piece of water.
I have in the past been in a situation in charge of a motor cruiser where I have come across people swimming in front of me. One can be relatively high up on a motor cruiser some more than others. However even from this vantage point it may not come as a surprise to hear how difficult it is to see a small brown head in brown murky waters.
In a sailing cruiser you are much lower down, your field of vision can be challenged by the main sail and the jib. In fact the sailing cruiser is or can be a movable feast of forever changing circumstances not particularly suited for navigating in such conditions. Many are highly manoeuvrable but are limited to mans ability to anticipate others actions.
So, there you have it. My observation of the day. To my mind a toxic mix, a disaster waiting to happen.
We as a community including the hire industry as well as the private boater can ill afford a repeat of events over the last few weeks.
Perhaps a suggestion could be considered and that is for a Ranger to be in attendance on a regular basis. Not perhaps by boat but by road visiting the well known moorings. Meeting people, advising, simple instruction, partaking of local knowledge. Not to replace the Rangers boat but to compliment this tradition and service for everyones benefit, to restore etiquette and just as important discipline for the well being of us all.
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1 hour ago, Cal said:
I'm intrigued as to why an older and therefore generally considered wiser old person was in McDonalds to start with.
Surely by now you have realised the food is rubbish
You have become a Grandad. That is why you are in McDonald's. Eat your Mcflurry and get out as quickly as you can.
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If people do not listen, or seem to understand the trial run with regard to its importance then it would seem to me that it may be time to revisit the procedure.
Is it working?
Is the literature working, the DVD’s, or perhaps the actual way the trial run is presented?
Andrew
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Many people are overly judgemental in certain instances. I believe that our local emergency services have a proven record of acting in accord to their experience, expertise and past record of an exemplary service to our community.
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4 hours ago, MauriceMynah said:
Yep, That's me to a tee. A fine recipe that's described my boating for years.
What tea would that be may I ask?
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They were good days. Once the village policeman had finished his shift he would pop in for a swifty. A night cap. The lights were dimmed, the door was bolted. You were in a safe place.
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It will of course need an Austin Healey outside the front door.
Andrew
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My great Grandfather and my Grandfather were North Sea trawler skippers out of Lowestoft. Neither could swim. Neither wore a life jacket. They certainly did not wish to be in the bobbing up and down stuff, the bitterly cold north sea, waiting for a cold and lingering end.
However they did wear ear rings, as did many fisherman, gold ear rings. Considered somewhat effeminate in their day. Although few would dare to tell them.
Grandad told me that if he was lost at sea and finally cast upon a distant shore his ear rings would pay for a Christian burial.
So the moral me old shipmates is get yourself some earrings.
Old Wussername.
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I understand more than most.
Good luck with your scan.
Followed by Scanxiety. That dreadful wait for the result, takes for ages.
However. Never ever forget that it is not one man or one individual that determines your destiny but a team. A team of dedicated professionals comprising of surgeon's, anetheiatsis, nurses, doctors, specialist's who meet daily,weekly, to discuss and action on your particular problem.
Why do I know this. It is because I have been there.
I have also been privilaged to have been asked to address year three trainee doctors of my experience as a patient on more than one occasion in a training theatre.
Be positive mate. I have been there, done that. And so will you.
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22 minutes ago, JennyMorgan said:
A difficult question for which to provide a one size fits all answer! The fearsome dayboats rarely cross Breydon or visit Reedham so being suitably governed down shouldn't be a problem. Bigger boats certainly need some spare welly in order to compensate for wind or tide, I think it would be unsafe to govern them down like the dayboats.
There is the private boat. The hire boat, and the day boat. The new boat is of course the so called Picnic Boat. Has a toilet on it. Can accommodate up to ten people, some twelve people, or have I been misinformed.
The latter, the picnic boat often visit Reedham. The helm, little or no experience.
I refer to my previous post of a few days ago.
Is this a matter of concern?
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We must demonstrate the capacity to accept or tolerate delay, problems, or suffering without becoming annoyed or anxious with regard to our concerns for an immediate response or action to these dreadful incidents.
We must also be aware of any intrusion which could frustrate any future legal proceedings and the consequences which we would be held responsible not only as a community but as individuals.
Andrew
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There is a number of issues that the BA need to address. A number of issues that we must recognise. The Norfolk Broads have changed dramatically over the last few years. Issues that need to be challanged, discussed, changed or indeed accepted.
We must have an influence, a constructive influence with regard to that change or acceptance.
Andrew
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3 minutes ago, Wussername said:
There is a raft of issues that need to be addressed. Sooner rather than later.
it involves not just the hire industry but private owners as well, canoes, swimmers,paddle boards.
Another Incident At Grt Yarmouth I'm Afraid.
in Speakers' Corner:
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Then simply abdicate your concern. Your contribution. Your involvement.
No one will criticise you.