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Vaughan. I recall you informing me that there was once a measurement system at Hearts Cruisers at Thorpe St Andrews which was used to give guidance as to a boats ability to pass safely through the railway bridge nearest to the boat yard. Was it for the employee's on the yard or for the general public.
And whilst I think of it why did I not have one at my end?
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Nope. Can do a cat scan though followed by a lab report.
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An absolutely delightful tale.
Simply, wonderful. I enjoyed it immensely.
It captured everything that we all hope for our expectations of a holiday "on the river".
Andrew
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1 hour ago, batrabill said:
No I don’t. I think you keep suggesting (specifically on Facebook) that I have some professional connection with the BA. I do not. You are barking up a non-existent tree.
I really cannot see the purpose of this whole topic. Now we have Facebook in the mix.
Andrew
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1 hour ago, MauriceMynah said:
Another suggestion harks back to a response I gave ion another thread a while back. Keep a decanter by the helm too and tell people you use that. Don't actually use it, but it'll stop people drinking your port.
Dear worried from Norfolk.
Your crew should not confuse the contents with port.
If they are my advice is to see a doctor.
Andrew
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18 minutes ago, LondonRascal said:
I am sure it would mean a lot of questions from people who in turn could learn a lot and may inspire some to take the plunge themselves.
Hypothetically I hope. Some of us are getting on a bit and have a propensity to wander off the deck.
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A forum is a living entity you know. It has feelings. I am sure that sometimes it feels hurt, bewildered and confused?
One, just one positive comment would be good and would certainly restore my faith in what has undoubtedly been a choppy old couple of weeks.
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Pay attention.
Norwich Gin. Awarded the best London Gin in the UK.
Wait for it:
Awarded the best London Gin in the world.
Where from Norwich, Bullard's Brewery.
Best with Fever Tree tonic. You will think that an angel has tinkled on your tonsils.
Only for most discerning connoisseur. For the rest like giving a cow a strawberry.
Andrew
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22 minutes ago, Simondo said:
I get the discussion about safety and shared watercourse usage and very valid it is, but the responsibility issue surely is mitigated by the fact each swimmer is signing a waiver so ultimately it is each of their own responsibility and risk
Can I sign a waiver as well please. Just in case it is held that an incident with my cruiser was deemed to be caused by my negligence or inexperience.
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3 minutes ago, grendel said:
I still think that the event would be a success at a location where a bigger safety margin could be allowed between swimmers and other river users, I think the biggest concerns here are the proximity of the boats and swimmers.
Got it in one.
The very crux of the matter.
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1 minute ago, Vaughan said:
I don't disagree but let's discuss forum behaviour on a different thread, as the mods have requested.
I think this subject is being very well discussed and it is important that we should not divert from it.
I agree.
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10 minutes ago, JohnK said:
Normally I would agree with you 100%.
I’ve said exactly the same on other forums many times.
But this time it isn’t just one person overreacting.
I’m only going to say this once more and I’m going to be blunt.
Open debate isn’t encouraged here (it used to be but it isn’t right now), if people disagree with the majority view they receive personal attacks.
The end result of this is going to be a complete lack of debate here soon.
Now, I suspect I’m going to get a lot of posts telling me how wrong I am (probably by mods too). Of course I’m wrong, I hold a minority view. I’m probably an idiot.John. I look at other forums. Other Norfolk Broads forums. Sadly stagnant waters.
Here there is a vibrance, a sence of purpose a sence of individual perception of current and past events. All pursued with passion. Personal attacks, where? It would not be tolerated. Please give an example. I honestly cannot think of any individual on this forum I would not moor against. Please, please, do not undermine, without justification the standing and position which this forum holds within our Broadland community.
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4 minutes ago, JohnK said:
I think it’s very sad that someone with a view that is different from the majority feels driven out.
Perhaps some people think that’s good as they won’t be challenged anymore.
BTW, it’s not just Bob who feels that way, it’s just that some of us aren’t brave enough to say it in the current climate here.
I think soon it’s likely that people with a minority opinion will leave here. I hope that’s what the majority want.Bobdog, JohnK.
I am so sad that you both think so badly of us.
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32 minutes ago, Bobdog said:
I entirely understand, even though I disagree with, the safety concerns argument. That’s a reasonable debate and I respect the views of those who disagree with my perspective. What I can’t come to terms with is the extent to which this discussion has degenerated into a torrent of bile and invective, much of it directed at the motivations of the organiser of this event, and some of it perpetrated by moderators who should be setting an example. I’m amazed at this on the so called ‘friendly forum’, and deeply ashamed, as many of you should be if you re-read what you have posted. I’m even more amazed that the moderators have not locked his thread permanently; they temporarily did so when it was far less offensive than it has become now.
I am sorry Bobdog but I do not recognise any of your critical and decisive comments whatsoever with regard to the reasoned, knowledgeable and sincere comments made by JM and others which to my mind demonstrates a recognised and understanding evaluation of the situation. Without malice or personal vilification of the organiser. Simply a genuine concern. An important concern. Understood by many on our waterways.
I personally wish Mel ever success with her venture, a lady well respected within her community, a lady who has achieved remarkable success within her sport. But, with respect not on the Waveney, an area, a venue, ill suited on so many levels with regard to her ambition by those who live, work and know these waters so well.
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31 minutes ago, Bound2Please said:
One glaring question that niggles me here. Are the WRC allowing the start there for a financial gain ?... If so is that gain worth it to their customers camping, moored, staying in rooms and yurts etc. Has thought been given to all these people?
Perhaps the organisers and participants are their customers camping, moored, staying in rooms and yurts etc. Not a niggle for me though if they are or not. Down to WRC I suppose.
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2 minutes ago, JennyMorgan said:
Sod off!
Two years ago it was closed for a duck race for a couple of hours, may be longer . Boats were not allowed to go down river from the yacht basin.
Andrew
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2 minutes ago, smellyloo said:
Ferry cross the mersey lol
You sing it and I'll hum it.
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7 minutes ago, smellyloo said:
Actually Liverpool is a lovely place to visit these days ... I think it attracts more visitors than broadland.
Boating?
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9 minutes ago, smellyloo said:
I watched a recent TV program of people who regularly swim across the mersey. Im not aware that this resulted in hordes of people taking to regular swimming there.
May I counter your reply Smellyloo that to the best of my knowledge the Mersey does not attract thousands of holiday makers, young and old, throughout the year.
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8 minutes ago, Vaughan said:
I suggest that, in my case, a life-time's experience of safety on inland waterways is not negativity, nor is it "kill joy".
I would rather call it common sense, in the wish not to endanger life.
Has anybody mentioned the obvious message which will be given that if it is OK to swim in the Waveney then surely it is OK to swim in the Bure, the Ant and what about a nice dip in the Yare.
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Public and free. Holds about 15 vehicles at a guess. So if the weather is good gets full fairly early
Andrew.
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Sadly you will have to be satisfied with my last contribution on this matter.
It is neither fishing or mending nets.
I'm off to bed.
I shall wind the cat up and put the clock out.
Tootle pip!
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6 minutes ago, Philosophical said:
Finally a party who had been given insufficient instruction from a boatyard who employed an individual who was unable to offer a suitable or meaningful introduction as to the basic skills and methods required.
So please detail the training and evaluation that would be required to satisfy a court or investigation that a boatyard or individual had given sufficient instruction to prevent ???, and then maybe consider the cost implications to the boatyard and the reaction of potential hirers who will now fear a test and evaluation before they are allowed to take the boat from the yard..
But again, my point is where is the evidence that instruction from the boatyard or lack thereof is the root cause of actually anything "bad"
I think that I might be able to detail the training and evaluation that is required.
There would be little cost to the boatyard.
There would be no test or evaluation other than that which already exists.
Not sure about the bad bit though! Don't understand that.
Andrew
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21 minutes ago, Philosophical said:
Sorry but again it is the detail that I cannot see; someone??? has a duty of care to??? and we??? have addressed our duty of care by??? as evidenced by ???
Are you on the right thread old chap? May I refer you to:
I would like to refer to a post made by JohnK on Feb 12th:
I wonder if it’s partly down to the indemnity insurance of the boat yard.
Since we seem do have now adopted US litigation laws could someone who had an accident sue the boatyard because they hired a boat to an unsuitable party?What is an unsuitable party? Someone with mobility issues, someone who is considered not old enough – a minor? Someone on their own, a solo helm, who, challenged by weather and tidal conditions is unable to handle a given situation. Finally a party who had been given insufficient instruction from a boatyard who employed an individual who was unable to offer a suitable or meaningful introduction as to the basic skills and methods required.
Andrew
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I used to remember scampering up to your end in order to get a boat through. But for the most part by the time one tried to get through the "west bridge" and failed and then getting to the "east bridge" that one and a half inches had gone.
And so had your tip!
Andrew