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May I refer to the original post. Falling in the water.For some a bit of a laugh.
For others it can lead to life changing injuries, as witnessed at the tragic incident last year at Acle where an elderly lady suffered life changing injuries to her foot. Caused initially, by falling in the water and being in contact with a propeller.
According to the statistics the number of people entering the water inadvertently, last year, discounting those who who capsized dinghies etc or from any water sports where entry into the water is predictable.
For 2017 the total amounts to:
Twelve.
Clearly a statistic which is a nonsense.
As for hospital treatment, some 36. A considerable increase on previous years going back to 1993.
As quoted from the report it would seem as if that disembarkation and falling in remains to be the main activity which results in injury and potential for drowning..
Andrew
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1 hour ago, SteveDuk said:
*What that standard is should be the subject of another thread maybe.
May I suggest credibility and accountability
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1 hour ago, stumpy said:
Don't forget Health and Efficiency in the handy blazer pocket sized edition!
That would be his striped blazer complimented by the Broads National Park cravat.
JM has most editions.
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19 minutes ago, SteveDuk said:
I originally posted this inb the Reedham Ferry thread but I reckon it could do with repeating here:
I see a lot of posts blaming Facebook but the fact is that Facebook groups are moderated by the founder of the group and whoever (s)he appoints. Sanctions range from deleting posts, muting members, deleting them from the group and finally banning them.
What is important, it seems to me, is the Facebook needs to be moderated to the same standard as the forum for continuity.
May I ask who are the moderators on Facebook.
Andrew
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Knots 3D is also very good. Cost £1.20. Similar to animated knots by grog but can be shown at whatever speed you wish.I have found a rather good website called ‘animated knots by grog’ or something similar. Copying an animation really does make it easier.
Sent from the Norfolk Broads Network mobile app
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2 minutes ago, Katiew said:
Crikey, I feel a tad bilious now too! That fills me with horror- a disaster waiting to happen. As someone who has two kids under the age ten aboard, we have a very clear and small set of rules so nobody can ‘forget’ one:
1) boat engine starts= life jackets on
2) when we are doing any manoeuvre that isn’t cruising in a straight line, (mooring, leaving a mooring, changing rivers, going through a bridge, etc) kids must be inside boat with windows closed and sat down
3) when underway, allowed to come into the upper helm area if driving from there but cannot leave the ‘square’ (so no walking round decks)
4) if windows or hatches open, not even the end of your nose can go past the frame
5) all above applies to kids and dog equally
Works for us.....
if I caught one of mine dangling out like you saw today, boat would be sold in a nano second.....
And that is why our safety record on the broads is second to none.
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1 hour ago, EastCoastIPA said:
Prices have dropped considerably these days. A good setup with hard disk recorder and no maintenance needed around the £400 to £500 mark. One of cost that is tax deductible and can be written down over a number of years.
I have to agree with regard to a reasonable set up. However the cost is surely what you pay is what you get. Some of the systems that I have seen are unbelievable.
However without going into any further detail there is no doubt in my mind that it can be very invasive. I have been in a position where for several years I have seen the advancement made in the technology.
Eastcoast, I have found our difference in opinion interesting, without malice, and constructive.
However I do not want to see this type of intrusion on my rivers, indeed your rivers and all who hold this belief to be true.
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2 minutes ago, EastCoastIPA said:
I think we are talking at cross purposes here. I'm very much suggesting CCTV rather than a webcam. Webcam detail is normally limited by the bandwidth of the connection to the internet. CCTV is extremely detailed and clear.
CCTV can be very expensive in terms of cost and maintenance, And in my experience a site such as the ferry at Reedham would require more than one camera, possibly three.
Completely unjustified even for a single camera.
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With respect your dashcam example has little or no bearing on this particular incident regarding the installation of a webcam at the Ferry. I doubt very much if the detail from a webcam would provide conclusive evidence in this particular matter or future incidents.
As for Facebook I will leave that comment for another day.
Andrew
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46 minutes ago, EastCoastIPA said:
Whilst it may not avoid such incidents, it would help to much quicker establish what happened, who was to blame, and whether lessons could be learnt. The pictures that are currently on Facebook prove nothing, and there is lots of speculation about what happened. I'm sure there will be three versions of what happened. 1. The version from the helm of the boat concerned. 2. The version from the ferry operator. 3. Everybody else's expert opinion.
If I was David Archer I would much rather be in the position of going to my office and replaying the video to see exactly what happened, when and what distances were involved.
Looking at records going back some 25 years I can see no mention of any serious incident at Reedham Ferry ( although I do except that an incident may have occurred but not recorded but I doubt it)
A webcam would give you an indication of events but would not be able to record the tidal flow or wind speed, all relevant to establishing who was to blame and what lessons could be learnt - if any.
I doubt if Mr Archer would gain much by looking at footage if he was indeed inclined to do so.
I can see no value whatsoever in installing a web camera or indeed a surveillance camera. For a civil court case perhaps, does anybody really care who was to blame except perhaps the poor ferry man or the cruiser helm.
I suspect that there are more important matters to attend.
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1 hour ago, EastCoastIPA said:
Most modern CCTV does not need an operator, it just records to a hard disk, eventually overwriting the oldest recording. In the event of an accident the owner would just save certain files from being over written. The use of CCTV in public places is not a crime, look at the various webcams that broadcast from around The Broads already. I'm not saying that a webcam is needed at this location though.
My car is fitted with a dashcam and records for about four hours before over writing the oldest recording. The ferry could even have similar with one pointing up and one pointing down river. My dashcam has already saved its cost. I would recommend them to anyone in this day and age.
Most of us already appear in peoples holiday photo's whether you want to or not. How many times have you passed a trip boat on the river and seen people leaning over taking pictures on cameras or phones of anything that moves. Part of modern life I'm afraid.
I have not quite got it clear in my mind as to what exactly such a camera would achieve.
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A reasonable question is why do we need Facebook. I would have thought that the forum is perfectly adequate for most peoples needs.
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CCTV would not stop it happening. Who would operate it. Who would be responsible for maintaining the copies of recordings that would be required. Who would be allowed to view the recordings.
There is a whole raft of legislation governing public surveillance cameras. Finally do you wish for your holiday experience to be recorded throughout your journey. It could come to that.
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Surely lights and CCTV is a knee jerk reaction. A ferry has been on this site since the seventeen hundreds in one shape or another. Indeed there were somewhere in the region of twenty ferries on the river Yard at one time, the majority being rowing boats for passengers only but some would take a horse and cart.
As for incidents, as of now, very few and far between and I can see no justification whatsoever in escalating this matter into a major incident.
In conclusion stay clear of the thing, that is all that is needed.
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A wherry and a ferry is a wondrous thing
Do not challenge for a point to make.
Or bring.
Just pass on by with a cheery wave.
Avoid the risk of being proud
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Is there not a notice on the river bank which states that you should not cross until the ferry has reached its destination.
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Would a new visitors center at Acle compliment How Hill, duplicate the facility, or replace it?
Or perhaps provide a "new experience" yet to be defined.
Andrew
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3 minutes ago, JawsOrca said:
This is very very very uncomfortable reading from all sides... Everyone, go have a cold shower and chill out...
It is simply not acceptable.
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34 minutes ago, Smoggy said:
" as the authority are unlikely to sponsor us they are considered fair game for criticisms,"
They give us cash so we forgive everything????? Sounds like trump and the nra and possibly one of the worst statements I've ever heard from a forum.
Smoggy surely it is as stated"they are considered fair game for criticisms" which is not "we" consider them fair game for criticisms. Therefore may I suggest that it is not a forum position.
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It was a funny old day yesterday in Norfolk. Blast me that were hot, I dint know what to do with meself what with her a naggen on an on about all the things that need doin. So I though wot I’ll do is have a little sit under me new gazebo. (My last one blew away last year onto Halvergate marsh somewhere). Well as soon as I got settled that started. No not her, Rodgers bloody combine, I knew suffin was up cos everytime he goes backwards in it a loud siren goes orf to tell anyone daft enough not to stand behind it. Well you never saw nuffin loike it A gret old cloud of chaff come out of the thing…………..and fell on me and me new gazebo, and that’s not all, half on it went in me cup of tea that she hed brought me. Well I sed to her I sed come on together I’m orf to Reedham I sed. And so orf we went. To sit on me wall.
Well when I got there I hed to go roight down the end, past the Nelson to park me car, you know the bit nearest the bridge. Well no sooner had I got settled than she sed to me she sed we wunt stop long she said cos we hed got a lot to do. I think that she does it on purpose to wind me up I do.
The quay was a full of boats, all shapes and sizes, and the tide that wus a cumin in loike I’ve never seen afore. That wus goin so fast some of them boats goin up river could hardly steer and those goin down river well some on em hardly made any head way at all, at all.
Now that what I’m about to tell you is the honest truth. In front of me was one of those here picnic boats I dunt know why they call them picnic boats. How the hell do you have a picnic on a boat, there int no where to lay your rug and everyone to sit round it is there?
Oi did not believe me eyes. On this boat there was a load of young uns together with an older women. There wuz 2 boys and 2 girls the rest of em bein in the pub. Well they hed all put their swimmin gear on. Trunks and bikinis and all that malarkey. And that’s not all they all had large rubber rings loike you see on a beach. Well I thought that’s a grand old do. I hint never seen anything loike it in me life. They then started to go down the heading to find a space between a boat to get in the water. Now as I said afore, that tide was a runnen fast, they wont had stood a chance. Fust of all they would have been swept up river as soon as they hed got in. And another thing how would they hev got out? Not on the quay or the reed banks further up river and no man or beast would hev been able to have swum against that tide. It would have been all hell up.
I dint no wot to do. So I sed to her I sed I think that I ort to have a word I sed, and she sed “if you wish darling.”
I wuz just about to say my bit when a long came that new quay assistant bloke. Now that was
fourternutfortinut fortunitlucky, cos he has his lunch break up until two a clock. Now I thought that he would hev bin in a bit of a lather with them a wanting to go for a swim orf his quay. But all he sed to them wuz if you go in you wont get out and I wont go in for you. They started to moan but he dint hev any onit and he sed to them he sed get back on the boat he sed.Now wunt that a rummin!
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All that I can say, with my vast experience is..................................enjoy!
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Do not keep us in suspenders Simondo, what did he say?
It could be that many of us might benefit.
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It would seem that you can still get Van de Hum. Try the South African shop web site.
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Expilot. There are people who walk the walk. There are people who talk the talk. There are a few people who walk the walk and talk the talk. Without any question of doubt in my mind that you are perhaps one the few people who fall into the latter category with regard to the Bridge.
May I ask your personal take with regard to the issues and subsequent solutions.
Perhaps the latter is unknown. I do not know and I suspect that I am not alone.
However I would welcome your thoughts.
Andrew
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What Might We Reasonably Expect Of Nbn?
in Broads Chat
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Your reply would seem to suggest that you are aware.
That I believe adds to the lack of transparency and credibility and accountability of Facebook.
We provide our names, they do not. But no real issue i suppose in the scheme of things, I do not wish to escalate this any further unless it impacts against the forum which to my mind is paramount towards the future and advancement of the Broads as we remember it and as to its future.
Facebook will not contribute to that vision.