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1 minute ago, Bikertov said:
Do understand, I am viewing this from a non-boat owner position, so I may way be totally off the mark, and have no wish to start a controversial discussion, so forgive me if I am completely wrong on this !
Not at all controversial, all discussion is good discussion.
As well as Vaughan I was thinking of Grendel when I mentioned experts in the field. His experience in his day job would I suspect be very good input here.
Whilst I get your point about boat engines being less powerful, that has to be balanced against boats probably covering more hours per day than the average car as well as a lot of other domestic electrical demands on board.
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7 minutes ago, Hylander said:
I for some reason cannot open your link. As this boat was wild moored I would think, because if at the Church mooring they could have got off the boat, may be it was a tree root that caused the damage.
Here's the link to the article on the EDP website. It says nothing about where, or even if the boat was moored. Probably best to keep referring back to the EDP website and see if any further facts get updated. I sense the mods fingers on the button. I have lots of questions in my own mind, but lets wait until more facts are revealed. At this moment I don't think we even know what type of boat it was. Day, picnic, hire private etc.
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8 minutes ago, Bikertov said:
Conversely, there are numerous electric points in marinas and elsewhere for shore power already, meaning the electric feed is in place, albeit maybe not at the power delivery rating for all electric running. so surely we are half way there before the start ?
The current points are nowhere near capable enough for full scale charging of boats. A typical BA post may have 2 x 16 amp and 1 x 32 amp outlet on it. Compare this to fast chargers for cars on forecourts which are rated at anywhere between 7-22kW. At 240V this is a shade over 4 amps per kW so the 1 x 32 amp outlet is capable of the lower end of forecourt fast charging with the capability to supply one boat with 7-8kW.
If you think the petrol forecourt queues for diesel and petrol are bad now, it would be nothing compared to the queues for fast electric chargers on the Broads without a significant expansion of the network.
I suspect one of our members could give you chapter and verse on the kind of supply infrastructure that would be needed to be installed to supply the kind of power needed to the moorings.
I don't know for sure, but lets assume your average all fully electric boat capable of 5 to 6 hours cruising per day would need a similar battery to that found in your all electric car, then at a mooring for 10 boats you are going to need somewhere in the region of 150 to 200kW supplies or getting on towards 600 amps. Lets be conservative and say that you can afford to charge at a slower rate and most boats stay on a mooring overnight for at least 12 hours then you could half that, but it is still a massive amount. It's not a new or unique problem. Its all very well the government phasing out petrol and diesel cars by 2030, but the countries electric infrastructure simply isn't ready for it.
2 hours ago, Vaughan said:It is pie in the sky and it just ain't going to happen, right now or for decades.
I think Vaughans comment has it absolutely spot on.
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1 hour ago, Vaughan said:
I will do a detailed post about electric boat hiring if members would like me to.
That would be very interesting. I suspect one of the biggest issues is going to be getting the charging network in place. Possibly easier to do canal side in urban environments, but far from easy for most of Broadland. In parts of The Waveney valley they have spent money getting rid of overhead cables. You would need a full blown network to support 100's of boats recharging river side.
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Here's the link to the government page mentioned.
There is some background to this on the RYA page here
My understanding is that fundamentally nothing will change for the leisure boater here as we already pay full tax on the split used for propulsion as part of the 60 / 40 arrangement that has been in place for some time.
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1 hour ago, trambo said:
Woke is a term, originating in the United States, that originally referred to awareness about racial prejudice and discrimination. It subsequently came to encompass an awareness of other issues of social inequality, for instance, regarding gender and sexual orientation. ref Wikipedia.
Woke is a slang term from a dialect called African American Vernacular English sometimes called AAVE. In AAVE awake is often rendered as woke, as in, "I was sleeping, but now I'm woke"
It's origins can be traced way back, well before the mid 2010's when it's use became more popularised.
Linguist and social critic John McWhoter argues that the history of woke is similar to that of Politically Correct, another term once used self descriptively by the left which was appropriated by the right as an insult.
Romano Aja in his history of wokeness says that "woke like its cousin cancelled bespeaks Political Correctness gone awry"
Like most words their meaning and adaptation change over time, but I think we all got the gist of what Vaughan was trying to say. Lets not get too PC about whether he used a term in the right context!
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One to think about rebated fuels Change
rebated fuels in APRIL NEW GOV REGUULATIONS
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1 minute ago, rightsaidfred said:
We seem to be back to a discussion a while back about whether this is a broads forum anymore or just a social club, it seems to be silly season now with what gets removed on various media platforms and what is allowed to remain.
Fred
Perhaps there is a shortage of moderators leading to posts being pulled rather than edited? Although if we're not careful that could lead to a shortage of posts, which in turn could lead to a shortage of members. If things get really bad we might end up with a NBNexit. Perhaps the mods could issue temporary FMPs (Forum Moderator Permits) to encourage more moderators to take up this arduous job. They would off course expire on the 24th December.
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2 hours ago, Captain said:
I have to say a minority of people don't put the hoses back properly so it ends up on the ground picking up all sorts of muck therefore as suggested a quick clean before hand is wise.
Neil
In my experience it tends to be the majority. Even those that do coil the hose back up and leave the end off the ground will have dragged it across the ground as they loop it back up. Generally speaking when we have filled up, one of us will hold onto the end whilst the other loops the hose up and finally we place the end up high under a loop or two of hose to secure it. From leaving the tank till it being looped up the end never touches the ground. Even if filling the tank on my own, I will walk back to the hose with the end in one hand and loop the hose back up one handed keeping the end of the ground the whole time.
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Damn that's got me thinking. I'm trying to think back to Griff's post and work out which bit of it wasn't factual?
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Due to the fuel crisis! Chris Rea has started walking home for Christmas already.
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Off course if your really worried about bugs in the water then the best bet is to use bottled or canned water with alcohol added to ensure it's safe. Comes in many flavours and differing amounts of gas.
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They may not thank me if it's that bad, but go to Sutton Staithe for your pump out. Best on the Broads with more than one rinse if your tanks in a bad way.
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17 minutes ago, rightsaidfred said:
Not sure about the fuel station but heard a rumour there was some panic buying in the alcohol isles as there is a suggestion there is a beer shortage.
Fred
If things carry on like this there'll be a shortage of panic soon!!!
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6 minutes ago, Vaughan said:
When filling the water tank in the spring (it is drained in winter) dose it with water treatment tablets from a chemist.
I use Aqua Mega tabs upon a full refill of the tank when the boat hasn't been used for a while, but don't really like the taste hence the 10 litre container used for drinking or boiling water for coffee and tea. This is always the last thing filled so any hose used to fill the main tank will also have been freshened as much as possible. The 10 litre container is then regularly sterilised with Milton.
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17 minutes ago, Bikertov said:
A question to think about with fresh water tanks - is it not better to run them down then refill, rather than keep them constantly topped up ?
Surely then you always have "fresh" water rather than a lot of old water in the tank ?
When I fitted the meter on the outlet to my tank I also fitted a T piece with a valve and a hose pipe down into the bilge. If the boat has been left for a while I open the valve and let the water drain down into the bilge before a short flush, then I close the valve and let the tank fill.
I also carry a 10L fresh water container which is used for drinking or boiling for coffee and tea etc.
For hire boats I would imagine the frequent turnover of water in the tank keeps it fairly fresh. Generally speaking mould and other nasty things will only grow where there is sunlight present which is why water hoses are normally food grade Blue hosepipe that doesn't let the sun penetrate so that bacteria doesn't grow inside them. Again because the tanks are steel and the pipes on boats are generally solid grey plastic no sunlight gets through to start the growth of bacteria.
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How much is this one going to end up costing the BA?
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I have a friend who moved to The Netherlands. He was always telling me how great it was over there, how good the social care was, how well maintained the roads were, etc. etc. Fact is The Netherlands have one of the highest taxation rates in the whole of the EU. Where does my friend live now? Back in the UK. Makes me wonder why he wanted to come back if it was so great
Think after 10 years he learnt the lesson about the grass not always being as Green as first thought.
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52 minutes ago, andyg said:
I have a very good friend who has lived in Spain these last ten years. We have a laugh most weeks about the state this country is in. He says you really don't realise how bad it is until you've removed yourself.
Perhaps it's time to go to Spain and see just how Green the grass really is on the other side. Off course they have no corrupt or weak politicians, are not reliant on overseas tourists or the EU central funds to bale them out.
Always amazes me why people are so keen to come to this country or stay in this country if its such a shambles. It may not be perfect or utopia, but I can think of a lot worse places to live.
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1 hour ago, annv said:
Surly building a wet shed is fencing/enclosing just a thought. John
But the wet shed is not a part of the planning permission. It is at the opposite end of the mooring. Simply put, someone comes along and claims they have a right to a mooring, that mooring is where the BA built their boatshed in the 80's. BA decide the quickest and easiest way is to give a 99 year lease to the person for a single mooring at the opposite end of the mooring. This is a public mooring paid for out of the toll account and much used and favoured by many because it is tucked away of the river slightly. Someone then points out that it is a change of use and to turn even a small section of public mooring into a private mooring would need planning permission. BA then apply for retrospective planning permission to rectify their cock up even though turning part of a public mooring into a private one flies in the face of their own local plan, on which planning decisions should based.
There are two issues at stake here,
1. The legal agreement entered into by the BA to swap a disputed piece of land with "maybe" a right to moor, for a piece of well used public mooring, which they sneakily claim has occasional mooring use. Did they need to roll over so easily? Did they need to concede the request so quickly? Should they have fought the claimed historical right to moor where the boat shed was? Those that know the Authority will question why they rolled over quite so quickly and easily on this one. Why didn't the authority claim the right to moor had lapsed when plainly they built a boat shed there in the 80's and had been using it since. I seem to remember the BA were quite vocal about rights to moor lapsing through lack of use when fighting at great expense The Jenners Basin case.
2. The other issue is the manner in which the planning application is being carried out for the piece of land that has been given on a 99 year lease in lieu of the disputed area.
One thing that should worry us all is that the property that recently changed hands that purportedly has a mooring where the boat house is, supposedly the right to moor was not transferable to new owners, yet the BA are honouring that right by giving a 99 year lease which is also not transferrable if the property is sold. So one presumes when the property gets sold again the mooring should return to public use, that is until the new owners paly the same game again with the BA because they have already set a precedent and rolled over once before. Perhaps even more important is how many others are going to come out of the woodwork and claim they have a right to moor and would like the BA to give them a mooring. Many villagers have a right to use the village staithe. It is argued elsewhere that the owner of the property at How Hill may have had a right to use, not a right to moor permanently however they now have a right to moor on what was a much favoured piece of public mooring which we all paid towards the upkeep off.
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2 minutes ago, Hylander said:
Are people that stupid. Fuel tankers have different logos on the back warning about what is on board for a start.
I think you know the answer to that one!
When people are filling up plastic bottles and all manner of other inappropriate containers then the answer has to be a resounding yes. Still think the best one yet is the person who queued for 30 mins to only manage to put £5.71 of fuel into the car, They probably wasted at least half of that in the queue in the first place!
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12 hours ago, andyg said:
I hadn't realised just how big the site is. Definitely scope to build a fair few properties there.
Erm! You do know who the local planning authority are?
Unfortunately anyone looking to buy that land and not realise they are buying a massive headache is sadly deluded. You would need planning permission for so much as passing wind
there. There must be all manner of old industrial waste from old moulds to old chemical drums lying around. My guess is that whoever bought it would soon come under pressure from the BA to cleanse the plot and if they had their way, return it to nature. For anything else expect a very long battle.
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6 minutes ago, annv said:
If Ba fenced the land for 12 years with out being challenged i would have thought legal right has been lost by previous owner.? John
I don't think the land was fenced off, in fact the BA didn't even realise there may be another legal owner. The land wasn't registered with the land registry, but that doesn't mean that rights didn't exist, however all that is to do with a parcel of land 300+ metres away from the piece of land the BA has decided to give away as a 99 lease in lieu of any possible rights over the land where their boat shed is. Far easier to give away a much used piece of public mooring, "sorry occasional" mooring rather than thoroughly check whether they really need to. Off course if me or you had managed to purchase a lease legally for that piece of land from the BA, what do you think our chances are of being able to apply for planning to turn it into a private mooring? There are many cases of one law for us and one law for you, but it is never good to be so blatant about it, especially when it goes against their own local planning policies!
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Think after 10 years he learnt the lesson about the grass not always being as Green as first thought.
there. There must be all manner of old industrial waste from old moulds to old chemical drums lying around. My guess is that whoever bought it would soon come under pressure from the BA to cleanse the plot and if they had their way, return it to nature. For anything else expect a very long battle.
8 Rescued River Bure Last Night
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Yes, but I think you know what I mean
at least they don't speculate, although then again!!!!!! 