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Can't comment with any accuracy on a Hampton.
But for a larger boat, 35x 12 Stern on mooring in a nice marina.
Water and shore power on hand. Parking very close to the boat.
Approx 3k
2k moorings
£600 Broads Toll.
£200 Insurance.
Up until recently £300 for fuel for a year. Unfortunately this year I have already spent £300+ on fuel and just about to go on my second 3 week cruise this year.
None of the above takes into account routine and unscheduled maintenance.
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That was the short version.
The St Martin sank a few days later when she returned to the Rig after dropping us off in Lowestoft.
You could not make it up
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No in all fairness it probably doesn't apply at Ranworth.
And I was being pedantic about the O2 percentages. It's just that when you have authorized many hundreds of enclosed space entry permits the numbers are hard to forget.
And no I have never been in the RN so have not read that manual.
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10 minutes ago, Vaughan said:
With your deep sea experience of genuine marine diesels, I am sure you will agree with me that these are 2 stoke, dry exhaust engines with blown air scavenging for their intake air.
Perhaps you would like to expand on your suggestion that I need to do more research? Specifically, into 4 stroke, 4 cylinder, naturally aspirated C.I. engines on the Broads.
No issues with your engineering knowledge Vaughan.
Just the percentages of O2.
An 18% reading on a confined space certificate is a NO Entry without wearing suitable breathing apparatus. Must be 21% O2 and zero % on explosive gases.
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Will try to make a very long story short.
Offshore Supply Vessel ( Vulcan Service) attempting to discharge cargo to Oil Rig ( Arch Rowan) we suffered a mechanical breakdown resulting in the loss of the Starboard Shaft. We made heavy contact with the Rig which tore several large holes in our hull and resulted in loss of watertight integrity AKA Titanic and Costa Concordia.
Although we fought it we were sinking and had to abandon ship.
Lifeboat was useless in those weather conditions so we used the Liferafts. One blew away so all 12 crew got into one 25 man raft.
The Safety Stand by vessel ( St Martin ) launched its RIB to come and recover us. Passed us a towline then promptly broke down. Now 14 men in trouble. Our liferaft made contact with a damaged section of steel hull and promptly burst throwing all 12 of us into the water.
We managed to clamber on board the RIB (tight squeeze) which had now drifted clear of the ship and the St Martin manoeuvred close enough to pass a line and recovered us on board.
That is a very condensed version of events.
Yes some people did suffer from what is now known as PTSD and never worked on OSV's again.
It was and still is a hazardous way of making a living.
I however took a more pragmatic view and realized that most seafarers are very unlucky to be shipwrecked once so it was highly unlikely that it would happen to me again so continued my career and by 1992 I was a Captain myself and in the 7 years I was Captain of OSV's made contact with an Oil Rig only once. In fact in a 12 year period of working on OSV's only made contact 3 times.
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31 minutes ago, Vaughan said:
Just a little word about "fumes" if I may, and I am quoting entirely from memory, having researched this carefully on a thread about 3 years ago. I am sure my figures can be "Googled" for those who wish to discuss them.
The Earth's atmosphere in our part of the World at sea level contains only about 18% oxygen (give or take). The rest is mostly inert gases and CO2.
The exhaust emissions of a Diesel engine running slowly in neutral with no load on, still contain 14% oxygen. This is because a diesel is a compression ignition engine which is still drawing the same volume of air into the cylinders, even though the injector pump has cut off almost all of the fuel. The rest of the exhaust is the same inert gases with a small amount of CO2 and pretty well no CO - about 0.01%.
In other words, in theory, you could pipe it into a mask and breathe it normally.
The infamous particulates that we hear so much about on buses in inner cities, have been absorbed by the "wet exhaust" of the water cooling, and washed into the river.
A petrol engine is a very, very, different matter and you should never breathe those fumes in a confined space.
But there is an "elephant in the room"! I think you will find that the fumes coming from the exhaust of a Webasto type diesel heating system are very much more pollutant in particulates and CO2, than the boat's main engine but no-one ever seems to talk about that. Nor do the manufacturers seem to make any figures available . . . .
Think you need to do a bit more research into your figures although I do take your point about the diesel heaters.
Don't really know what can be done about them . It can be annoying when the exhaust from one discharges into your boat. Particularly a problem on stern moorings.
Edit to add.
Due to poor positioning of my fenders on my home berth. Totally my fault I may add. I ended up putting a nasty burn mark on my berth neighbors fender while running the diesel heater when doing some maintenance in winter.
I did replace his fender with good grace.
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Mrs FF goes a bit mad when she sees dogs walking unsupervised around a boat.
My answer is that kids do it all the time.
I also comment that some parents would not even discover a child missing until they tuck them into bed.
And IMHO not even that can be guaranteed.
So who is responsible for those children's safety?
Someone, somebody in fact anybody except the parents. Must be BA ,or the Hire Company, or Environment Agency, Natural England,The Government or even The National Parks.
One major Shipping Company have a notice on every mirror on the ship , saying " You are now looking at the person responsible for your safety".
Wise words
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Wise words as always Mr W
Unfortunately I think the responsibility for safety goes beyond the remit of The Broads Authority.
I will stop now before I get into more trouble on here.
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Please don't knock this business model.
Only time will tell if it is a success or not.
All I know is that it's better than what I call the Norfolk Business Model. If customer numbers drop then put up your prices so you maintain income and squeeze the remaining customers until the pips squeak.
Then wonder why the customers don't come back the following year.
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6 hours ago, Hylander said:
Watching footage this morning of the sinking of the super yacht mentioned before. As it sank the automatic life rafts deployed. I had not realised that on these boats when a boat sinks these automatic life rafts spring into life and detach themselves ready when you are to get away from the situation. I dont know about anyone else but the sinking of any vessel is about one of the saddest things I can watch.
Liferafts have had hydrostatic releases for a very long time. As the water pressure increases then the release mechanism actuates and the natural buoyancy of the liferaft pulls it towards the surface. A fixed rope then pulls on the liferaft capsule actuating the CO2 bottle which then inflates the raft that then detaches the raft from the sinking vessel. Very simple but very clever like most good designs. I am assuming this is what you saw bearing in mind there may be a newer and cleverer way of deployment recently introduced.
Re sinking of a vessel it is particularly sad when it is your own vessel disappearing beneath the waves as I experienced on Christmas day 1990.
What did you do for Christmas FF?
The doggy paddle in the North Sea in Force 10.
Everyone survived BTW 🙂
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11 hours ago, Wussername said:
I'm afraid that I do not share the enthusiasm of some with regard to such drastic measures which can only impact on the holiday industry.
It needs, how do I explain, a less draconian approach, less invasive, a measured response perhaps. If indeed it is required at all!
It may suit this particular boat yard, but for the larger operators it would be impractical and almost impossible to implement.
I did say we can only dream Mr W
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Welcome to T anytime on my boat.
It will be an electric T of course. No use in spoiling good T for the lack of Rum 😂
I know we can only dream but wouldn't it be nice if that business model was a little more extensive.
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20 minutes ago, Wussername said:
I have hired boats from this company many times. I will continue to do so.
Their boats are immaculate. Like many boat yards in the past it is run like Mr Patels corner shop. Long hours, a family commitment.
Their boat yard, and accommodation with regard to riverside holiday lets is superb.
On arrival we went through all the preliminaries, before the trial run. Which took an age. We were going for a weekend.
And then we were off. The boat was moored side on, and it was explained to me that the wheel was placed in such a position that allowed me to leave the mooring without input from myself in order to gain access to the dyke, opposite Coldham Hall.
Such is their commitment.
On return the owner is on the quay heading to instruct and assist the mooring. The boat is then inspected by the owner and his wife.
My experience is such that they were very friendly and have welcomed me back several times.
Some, a minority have not been so fortunate.
It's nice to hear that Mr W.
Seems like someone has the right attitude.
It was interesting to read What MT (got your T in there this time) had to say about the much maligned CDW as well.
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Gosh they do look nice don't they.
Didn't see any of them in my trip to the dark side earlier on in the year. Will keep a look out when over that way next month.
I don't think the prices are excessive for such a nice boat and certainly in line with the larger dayboats from the more popular places oop North.
I notice they specifically mention WE on the website as a stopping place, I wonder if they have some kind of agreement with WE for lunch time moorings.
I prefer mooring on the common as we have a canine companion but I was offered a mooring outside the pub overnight if I wanted it. I think electric hook up was included but I can't swear to that as I was quite happy on the common.
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Its a shame Colchester Inns could not make that place work.
If they can't then I suspect no one can
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Agree with you Meanime
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Didn't think Wherries were still working in 1972 but then it was a bit before my time.
By 1972 I would have thought that Diesel powered Coasters would have been the norm .
Ready to be corrected.
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29 minutes ago, Vaughan said:
That puts me in my place then, doesn't it? I shall remain out of the way in future, on The Common moorings and make myself a sandwich. I know I am not the only one, even on this forum, to have walked in there to such a frigid and rather snobbish reception that I have preferred not to bother.
The point you missed - or simply looked down on - is that the Woods End is a traditional, very old and famous riverside pub that owes its existence to the brickworks that existed right beside it and the wherry trade that came to it as a result. What they now call Bramerton Common was the brickworks quay heading! In just the same way as Coldham Hall, Surlingham Ferry, Berney Arms, the Duke's Head at Somerleyton and many others. You name them! The Yare at Brundall was another.
If they couldn't handle normal passing trade just because of a wedding reception then they shouldn't be running a riverside pub business. Just ask my dear friend Peter Tallowin, who ran a roaring trade in that pub for many years in the 70s and 80s and whose father Gilly, was the famous landlord of the New Inn at Horning. I also remember Dick Chance, his predecessor at the Woods End and a good friend of Harry Last at Coldham.
As my father's son, I did a lot of my growing up in those pubs. If they are now simply to be superseded by an up-market exclusive bijou experience for those who think paying through the nose means class, I find that quite lamentable.
Can only relate my own experiences of both BWE and WE. Welcoming and great quality as WE and a good pub as BWE. Spent many happy hours there in our early boating days.
It's a good many years since we moored at Brundall, we even had a wooden boat then, not for any great love of tradition but because it was all we could afford. Yes there was a time when wooden boats were considerably cheaper than Plastic Fantastic.
Can't remember any working Wherrymen in there.
Do remember coasters going through my village though so that should give an indication of the timeline
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30 minutes ago, OldBerkshireBoy said:
I would take a guess that your first experiance might happen there infrequently rather than on a regular basis so perhaps purely bad luck with your timing and I myself have always experianced a warm welcome from Lee and the staff there but understand that others have not for whatever reason, the most common being people demanding rather than asking.
I must agree The Waterside Inn, Bray with its Al La Carte menu is indeed a very nice place in a nice setting having eaten there many a time with clients and I am pretty sure that with enough notice and a thick wallet you could book the entire dining area for a wedding reception there as well.
Must say that as a recently returning customer of Waters Edge I have been hugely impressed by both the ambiance and quality of the food and welcome.
It used to be a regular stop when were moored at Brundall and it was Bramerton Woods End.
Hadn't been there for a number of years until we gave it a whirl last year. Yes it is a pricey place but sometimes it's worth paying for something a bit special. What grinds my gears is somewhere that charges restaurant prices for pub grub.
Very similar feelings about The Norfolk Mead also excellent.
Waters Edge is definitely on our hit list when on The Yare and will be re visiting in September for the second time this year.
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Had a double pump out at Brooms earlier this season.
£36 quid.
Won't be going there again.
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That's the one Ian.
Rest assured you are in good hands.
Takes a lot to impress me but he did it in spades.
Such a nice guy as well. He always looks so serious but then when he smiles he just lights up the room.
Mrs FF with inoperable lung cancer and as I said above now 5 years clear.
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Wish you all the best Ian.
Could I just ask is your consultant Zag ot Zak?
The reason I ask is my wife had a consultant at N&N and he was a Greek guy with a surname about a foot long who was simply known as Dr Zak. If it is the same guy you are in very good hands. We have private health cover but never felt the need to use it as the NHS treatment was so good.
She is now 5 years cancer free.
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Go to Coltishall.
All places just great best of all Norfolk Mead hotel
Even rising sun as now operated by Colchester inns is now Just l superb.
There is no bad place in Coltishall
Even red lion and I don't like Thai has a good report
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Don't normally have a problem with paddle boarders or canoeists.
A friendly word with a bit of banter usually sorts it.
They are a bit obvious of the idea that they leave their boards blocking moorings for us bigger boys but have found that a gentle word usually works and in all fairness are not there all day.