[Used 4 Cylinder Lister Engine]

7 hours ago, BroadAmbition said:

Nanni?

Why not a British Beta?

Griff

Cos I am a true blue.

Can't stand the reds 

Anyway I thought the cheese eating monkeys are in so much trouble I would try to do my bit to help  

[Used 4 Cylinder Lister Engine]

Have decided to replace my Lister engine with a Nanni.

The boat was built in 1994 so the engine will be from around that time.

It is an LPW 4  40hp with a Newage gearbox.

It is a first time starter even when cold. It does issue a puff of smoke on cold start but then runs clean.

I can't remember the last time I had to top up the oil.

It's next service is due 23/04/2023 and has been regularly serviced by Ignition Marine.

It served 10 years in Bees hire fleet and has been in my possession for 18 years.

It can be viewed in situ and running at my home mooring until we have to take it to Brundall on the 23rd of this month. 

I am looking for £1000 

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15 minutes ago, Vaughan said:

In which case, then consider 800 hire cruisers on the Broads doing a 27 week season each. That is 21600 cruising holidays last year - conducted in safety.

That does not include all the day boats.  Goodness knows how many thousands of people had a day out on the rivers in those, with no serious accidents that I have heard of.

That's just our port.

As an island nation, other ports are available. 🙂

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27 minutes ago, annv said:

If any would like to go on You Tube under ship/boat mishaps it make broads mishaps pall in insignificance all by component skippers/pilots. There no collision wavers at sea. John

Plenty of entertainment available there. 

Even better than the good lady that films at Ludham Bridge.

A good trawl through The MAIB investigations will show up some pretty stupid stuff done by qualified Mariners as well.

You will never hear me say all qualified Mariners are without their faults. If you do trawl through the MAIB site you will even find some stupid things done by my colleagues 

I will be the first to admit I have done some pretty stupid things myself. Thankfully not serious enough to warrant an outside investigation

It's fairly rare though considering we were doing 10000+ Pilotage acts a year. Records are kept and hopefully we have learned lessons from any incident.

Must remember to write in the past tense as I am now happily retired as of last month.

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1 hour ago, TheQ said:

I think they are trying to cut off Stalham....

Upper and lower Staithe Roads are closed except for access,

The road works and lights Between Macarthy and Stone homes for the misguided, and tesco, still have lights on them with no progress,

And now all the approaches to the mini roundabouts at the bottom of Stalham High street have cones and signs in waiting. Couldn't see what  the signs say , but no doubt that will be revealed when I go home tonight..

 

At least the ones at the junction of St John's and Brumstead Road's have gone.

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That probably came over wrong with the addition of the 

I do genuinely look forward to meeting you.

I am a regular visitor to Ranworth and I am sure you can figure out my boat from my nickname on here.

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8 minutes ago, Wussername said:

Mouldy, FF, Vaughan, I have appreciated your contribution, it is relevant. Time to put a reef in. 

Tomorrow is another day. Just as important as yesterday. 

I look forward to that day. It will be challenging and I hope rewarding.

And be beneficial.

 

Really looking forward to meeting you Andrew.

As we both seem to be local hopefully it will not be too long.

I'm sure we can have some interesting discussions. 

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Night Vaughan.

I hope my mudweight will hold 

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2 minutes ago, Mouldy said:

Look, I’ll butt out of this thread.  It’s clear that in your opinion there are clear comparisons between operating an ocean going ship and a Broads cruiser.  I’ve never been in charge of something of that size, so can only speak from what I’ve seen watching programmes about captains of commercial ships.  They appear, to a layman, to have systems geared to assist guiding a ship, with the aid of tugs where appropriate, into a berth.

The Broads are surely a very different environment, shallower rivers, affected by tides to a lesser degree, with craft that are very different in design to suit the rivers they are used on.

I fail to see the likeness, but must bow to your superior knowledge.  Fifty years of boating on The Broads has obviously taught me nothing about handling a cruiser, or the area and no right to comment.  And yes, I do have my opinion of the standards of car drivers - despite formal training and passing a test to achieve the required standards, it clearly doesn’t work for a large proportion of drivers on the roads, in the same way as formal training would still leave many boaters wanting in terms of their ability to handle a boat.

Over to you, for I’m sure you will contradict everything I’ve just written.

No .

Nothing to contradict.

Watching you tube videos is all you need to know.

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On 08/05/2022 at 20:38, Mouldy said:

I would have thought that with a high vantage point from the bridge, coupled with powerful bow and stern thrusters and surely more than one screw would increase the ability to accurately control difficult manoeuvres in tight spaces more easily than a comparatively light glass fibre craft, possibly with a hydraulic bow thruster, low helm position and a single engine.

I guess you learn something every day.

But then you told me that parking a 400m Container Ship was easier than parking a Broads boat.

It's like me telling you that driving a mobility scooter is harder than driving an artic.

Do you have opinions on the poor driving stands of car drivers?

Well coming from a commercial background I also have opinions on how a leisure industry operates.

Coupled with being a leisure operator myself.

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1 hour ago, Mouldy said:

Exactly right.  There’s more to boat safety than steering and you can’t fit a container ship up The Thurne.

All I can see coming out of this is some uninformed twerp in a suit, with no knowledge of The Broads and it’s associated businesses coming up with unworkable ideas to solve an issue that isn’t really pressing.

Yes, perhaps the handovers for hirers aren’t the best, but they’ve sufficed for years and the large majority of people live to regale their tales and come back again and again.  Talk of half day or day training courses will inevitably provoke the authorities to give them thought, especially as they will undoubtedly create an additional source of income, as nothing is done for free in this day and age.  Will first timers be prepared to attend a training course for a day, travelling to Norfolk to take it, pay an amount of money ahead of coughing up a tidy sum for a holiday?  Personally, I think that would almost kill the hire industry and if applied to dayboat hire, as this seems to be applicable to motor boats, why wouldn’t it, would kill that too.

I don’t believe there were any fatalities on the rivers last year, so why the panic?

But Mouldy, we have found a solution. See Vaughn's post 

I don't think MAIB inspectors wear suits. Not really suitable for exploring the aftermath of Fires, sinkings and fatalities.

I am well aware that you cannot take a Container Ship up the Thurne but I have been taking Broads Boats up there for some 30 years. Next you will be telling me I am unqualified to comment as I was not born in Norfolk.

As you say there were no fatalities last year so all is OK.

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2 minutes ago, OldBerkshireBoy said:

Plastice pipe has been developed to cope with the pressures involved and it most likely comes on a roll and there would be less joints compared to copper (?). Plus it might be easier to ease round any bend.

But as Vaughan say's above.

It's also prone to failure.

I have no doubt it's cheaper and easier to install.

There is a reason why brake pipes are not plastic.

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Sorry Vaughan but I am still going to dispute your statement.

All three boats I have owned have had copper pipes.

Maybe if I list which hire fleets they came from may have some bearing.

Hearts/Richardson's/Horning Pleasure Craft , Ferry Marine and Bees 

Showing my lack of knowledge once again in that I did not know that plastic piping was available.

Why on earth would anyone fit plastic piping?

No need to answer that BTW

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Well stated Andrew

 

I must add to my previous post.

I have actually had steering failure on one of my boats.

A block that guided the steering cable pulled out of the wood on my wooden boat. Fixed with a big screw. 

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Meantime.

I also cannot comment on The AIWA but I will say that shipping companies ignore MAIB recommendations at their peril.

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Vaughan 

I have to dispute your statement that hydraulic steering is not particularly reliable.

In 21 years of sea service I can recall one incident of hydraulic steering failure, burst pipe.

And in 22 years of Pilotage also one incident, failed microswitch.

These are systems that run 24/7/365 when the ship is underway.

I will add that there are dual systems on ships and there is always a procedure for alternating them so they get equal usage.

Also 30 years of boat ownership at least 25 of which I have had hydraulic steering and no incidents.

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A key recommendation has been made to improve the change over protocols on dual steer Hire boats and has not been accepted by The AIWA.

Our member who has extensive experience of running hire fleets has provided a workable solution.

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Grendel.

I think Vaughan has just answered your question above.

These outside professionals are not engineers they have the same qualifications as I do. I have actually interviewed for this job.

But

Give the problem to an engineer and hey presto you get an answer. From someone with extensive experience and knowledge of The Broads to boot.

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That is why outside professionals are brought in to make recommendations. 

To look at things from a different perspective. Never a bad thing for any industry. 

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Maybe a business opportunity 

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So it can be done then. 

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My first 400m ship.

All ships have a plate similar to this one prominently displayed 

So no it's much easier handling a Broads boat 😁

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View from inside and outside the wheelhouse when turning around off the berth.

She is not even full and it is much worse when she is ( boxed out)

I will add (edit) I was second Pilot on this one so I was in a co pilot role so not actually handling to explain how I managed to take the photos. The UASC photo was taken by someone else and sent to me as I was Lead Pilot on that one.

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17 minutes ago, Mouldy said:

I would have thought that with a high vantage point from the bridge, coupled with powerful bow and stern thrusters and surely more than one screw would increase the ability to accurately control difficult manoeuvres in tight spaces more easily than a comparatively light glass fibre craft, possibly with a hydraulic bow thruster, low helm position and a single engine.

I guess you learn something every day.

The vast majority of ships are single screw with a direct reversing engine. No gearbox ,when you stop the engine, the engine physically stops. To go astern the firing order of the engine is reversed so the engine actually runs backwards.

Bow Thusters are common but although some of the largest are 3000kw the effect on a large ship is very sluggish and tugs are used in addition. It could take an age to turn a large ship around in still water just using engine and bow thruster. Bow Thusters decrease effectiveness when there is headway and become useless when speed gets to around 5kts so very much diminished effect when stopped over the ground in a 4kt+ current.

Stern Thrusters are fairly rare as is twin screw.

Remember some of the largest ships are displacing ( weighing) close to 300,000 tonnes. 

It's all about the power to weight ratio.

This is me at the office.

Those tugs are 33m long approx 100' and all 4 of them over 80t Bollard Pull.

Those containers are 40` long so each is a large truck. IIRC that ship is 18000teu so can carry 18000 twenty ft containers or 9000 40 footers.

The largest at the moment are 24000teu

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18 minutes ago, Mouldy said:

I think that there is a great deal of difference between handling a ship and a cruiser on The Broads, although I speak from conjecture rather that experience.  Having just finished a week in Moonlight Shadow, which is equipped with a bow thruster, I had no issues whatsoever with mooring, either side or stern on anywhere.  I’d actually forgotten how easy she is to handle.  Our boat is taller, therefore more affected by the wind, lighter and has no bow thruster.  Although I am well versed on how to moor, occasionally I do find it more challenging and do have to exercise the control lever more frequently than I’d perhaps like to to complete a manoeuvre .

I don’t think that it’s necessarily a reflection on my ability, but has something to do with the characteristics of the boat.  Fortunately, it doesn’t suffer from prop walk to any extent, but I’ve seen folk who are very competent helms struggle with that.

The principles are exactly the same.

It's the consequences of getting it wrong is the biggest difference 🤣

Leisure craft are hugely over powered in relation to even the highest performance ships. Of course the windage is much higher as well. On some of the largest ships we calculate the windage in hundreds of tonnes so we have sufficient Bollard Pull available on the tugs.