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Had a letter from HMG this morning telling me that 'clinically I am a critically vulnerable person', made my day, not! Thank goodness I have space, both a shed and garage in which to play and potter. Thank goodness I have my music and my books in which to loose myself. I also have a near and handy great outdoors. How people living, often alone, in their little boxes, imprisoned in the cities, can cope I dread to think. I have my wife and friends at the end of a telephone line, I am lucky, extremely so, but being told, officially, that I am regarded as a critically vulnerable person, well past it, is a bit of a downer. Still, I had a case of wine delivered yesterday so life isn't all bad!
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1 hour ago, Springsong said:
Ionly learnt this word a couple of years ago discombobulated
it means discombobulated.
Very confusing!
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38 minutes ago, Gracie said:
That's a normal Friday night for me x
Waiting for the old man to come home then?
I have a Chinese fried who frequently, and with great feeling, comes out with what sounds like 'Fee-key-yow', of course that's phonetic and I haven't a clue what it means but seemingly it often refers to annoying customers!
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40 minutes ago, MauriceMynah said:
This conjures up mental images on which I'd prefer not to dwell
For some strange reason the wise advice of not eating yellow snow springs to mind!
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2 hours ago, Turnoar said:
I wonder what the name of the EA will be after this debacle; I can feel a rebranding coming on! Despicable behaviour from a public funded body that is supposed to protect and indeed improve fisheries, not worsen them.
The Norwich office of the EA worked hard on their report. They involved local anglers at a practical level and readily presented their findings to local angling clubs and groups including the BASG. Surely then the EA's head-office must have been aware that the information was already out there in the public domain. It was a supremely arrogant EA if they really thought that they could get away with this one. Those responsible deserve all the stick that is surely coming their way. In the meantime I wonder what the lottery funding people will make of this debacle?
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6 hours ago, ChrisB said:
Sorry but that sounds like a lot of money to me to be attributed to angling.
It does sound a great deal but within that figure will be accommodation and associated costs.
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10 minutes ago, MauriceMynah said:
Thank you Peter for that lengthy post
Happy to meet expectations!
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35 minutes ago, Jemaki said:
We've NOT gone to Benidorm for 3 months 😔
Not a problem, it's on Netflix!
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On 04/08/2020 at 17:12, MauriceMynah said:
At least they can now carry the headline "Newspaper crashes old laptop"
Or "Newspaper crashes old brain."
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For MM:
Anglers can today celebrate winning the first round in their battle to save an important bream spawning site in the Norfolk Broads.
The Environment Agency has announced that it is conceding the first of four grounds in a judicial review lodged by Fish Legal. This included “unfair and unlawful public consultation as evidenced by the failure to place relevant information, including the objections from Environment Agency fishery staff, in the public domain.”
Acting on behalf of the Angling Trust and the Broads Angling Services Group, solicitors at Fish Legal last month issued a legal challenge against the decision by the Environment Agency (EA) and Natural England (NE) to press ahead with plans to install fish barriers to block off vital spawning grounds in Norfolk’s Hoveton Great Broad.
Top fisheries scientists at the Institute of Fisheries Management, who formally reviewed the project, came to the same conclusions as the EA’s own fisheries experts judging the barriers to be potentially harmful and recommending that they should not proceed.
The previously ‘hidden’ EA Fisheries Team advice stated:
“It follows that the proposed bio-manipulation methodology, involving the installation of fish proof barriers to prevent fish accessing the habitats currently found within HGB [Hoveton Great Broad] carries a high risk of detrimental impacts to the fish populations of both HGB and the Northern Broads system.”
Other grounds in the Judicial Review which are still to be determined include:
Failure to follow obligations under the Water Framework Directive. (The WFD requires getting waterbodies and linked waters to “Good Ecological Status” but failed to take into account the fact that Hoveton Great Broad would go from being a prolific spawning area to having no fish).
The breach of the written assurances from Natural England that it would not go ahead if the Environment Agency’s fisheries specialists considered that there would be a “significant impact on fish”.
Justin Neal, Solicitor at Fish Legal said:
“In July 2020, the EA granted Natural England the permit to put in fish barriers. That was despite calls from the EA Fisheries Team not to do so and investigations by the fisheries team which suggested that the impact on spawning fish would be catastrophic. None of this information was made available to the public during or after the consultation, so it had to be dragged out of the EA afterwards. We were then left with no alternative but to issue a judicial review claim at the High Court.
“The EA has now conceded on the first legal ‘ground’ – that the they had failed in their statutory and common law duties by failing to publicise and properly consult on the application for the permit – and have agreed that the permit application should be ‘remitted’ for ‘redetermination’.
“NE has said that it does not contest the argument that the consultation was flawed, but is defending the other legal grounds. It is likely that the Court will approve an order to ‘quash’ the permit decision.”
Kelvin Allen, Chairman of the Broads Angling Services Group (BASG) said:
“It was very evident that BASG and the public were excluded from available evidence used by the Environment Agency, within the permitting process, which meant the process was flawed. Common sense has prevailed with the EA admission that the permit will be withdrawn. Anglers all too often don’t realise what the role of a governing body like the Angling Trust is. This is a clear demonstration of why anglers need a professional governing body and legal representation. Together, we can make a difference.”
Martin Salter, Head of Policy at the Angling Trust, said:
“Whilst the EA’s concession is good news for fish and fishing in the Norfolk Broads it is also a scandalous waste of public money to see government agencies pursuing such an absurd and environmentally disastrous proposal, particularly when their own Fisheries, Biodiversity and Geomorphology team in East Anglia, who had spent seven years on fish surveys, studies and tagging at a cost of more than £250,000 of rod licence and taxpayers’ money, warned against it.
“These studies showed beyond all doubt that the proposed barriers would be harmful to the recruitment of bream stocks in the Northern Broads. Bream are one of the iconic species upon which the £100 million angling economy of the Norfolk Broads depends and with the support of the courts we are hopeful that we can put an end to this nonsense once and for all.”
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21 minutes ago, MauriceMynah said:
Governments do it, Advertising agents do it, even educated political activists do it.
Let's do it, Let's fall in line!
Indeed, however the clever ones don't get caught out!
No question that it has become a fine art, we as toll and tax payers finance the production of these near fictional reports designed to lead what is often personal ambition. Having sat on various committees I was expected to pass judgement and subsequently vote on a proposition. What I needed was unbiased information, the plusses AND the minuses, what I did not appreciate was being led and manipulated. I well remember being told that I was expected to support the 'officers' and to respect the CEO. In my books respect is not a condition of appointment, it has to be earned.
No, we MUSTN'T all fall in line.
Just a thought, our Maurice is one of the most out of line people I know, or perhaps don't.
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2 minutes ago, chameleon said:
think you lot have missed the point, its all about not going to a pub at all, but which one to not go to, as he cant go to either
It's an interesting and important quandary. Heavens, we could be worrying about really important issues, what fun would that be?
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Surely it's both down to the brew on offer and how well the beer is kept? Then is the pub dog, child, music and football free? So many variables, so many different preferences.
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5 minutes ago, floydraser said:
. . . . . . even I can predict there'll be an inquiry into who is responsible for this outrage.
. . . . and probably an internal inquiry as too the whistle blower was, someone's career will be hitting the buffers!
Withholding 'unhelpful' negative information, coupled with the advantageous presentation of carefully selected, positive information deemed as being helpful to the party line, is a practice that is clearly and regretfully alive and well. The leading of an agenda by the production and manipulation of Officer Reports is nothing new. Good on Fish Legal for highlighting the problem.
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That is such good news, now for the next step!
Holding back important information from consultations or committee meetings in an effort to promote an agenda is not unique to the Environment agency.
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1 hour ago, SwanR said:
I see they have finally finished Ness Park on the other side. Shame we can't get down there at the moment having watched them taking so long to pull it together.
Just for you, Jean! A million pounds well spent!
https://www.lowestoftjournal.co.uk/news/1m-the-ness-park-lowestoft-completed-1-6921194
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3 hours ago, ChrisB said:
You beat me to it Oldgregg! Last time I was in Lowestoft, it was in fact a grey drizzly day. I did not see too many Burberry Classic Trench Coats at £1500 a pop on the backs of the indigenous population.
I'll have you know that I have several Burberry items, as well as a Rolex watch, I bought them at a street market in Turkey, incredible value!
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17 minutes ago, rightsaidfred said:
Lastly I would second the call for tolerance and respect for others views however strongly we disagree with them, no argument however valid carries any credence once it degenerates into a slanging match.
And I would like to third that call.
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1 hour ago, Islander said:
The pump is a serious bit of kit.
A couple of hundred quid for a week's hire? The owner must think that she's worth saving and doable. The boat is wood thus she's repairable and I can imagine that she'd scrub up very nicely
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Here we go again!
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I'm putting it down to my age.
Re the vaccine, I won't refuse it but I would rather that my dose. so to speak, went to someone more in need, where it would do more good.