Meantime

Yet on that link further down it clearly states the following Day mooring £5. Overnight mooring until 10.00am the next day £10. Powered boat use of dinghy dyke £3. All charges only apply in the main season from April to October.

I've enjoyed a tour of the brewery and also been to the bar a few times. If your in that part of the world there's a very good Nepalese restaurant called The Mountain View not too far away. I'm finding myself becoming increasingly annoyed at the actions of the big brewers. Generally small craft brewers tend to sell beers at a premium which reflects their smaller economies of scale, lower production volumes and higher overheads. All of which I can accept and don't mind paying a premium for a premium or craft, or small batch product. However increasingly the bigger boys are coming along, buying up the brewery and then suddenly production goes up tenfold, quality suffers and the price stays the same, generating huge profits for the brewery until people migrate away from the beer due to inferior quality. A classic example is Neck Oil from Beavertown brewery. It was started by Robert Plants son. Certainly was never sold at a cheap price and was only offered in a few places. Heineken came along and bought 49% of the brewery and production ramped up. Then Heineken bought the remaining 51% of the shares and expanded production again to the point where it is pretty much everywhere. The taste and quality has suffered, but the economies of scale and massive profits being made are not being reflected in a lower more mainstream price. Heineken have done the same 49% then 51% trick with the Brixton Brewery and again it is appearing everywhere at a premium price tag. Meantime, excuse the pun, Meantime beers are now past their prime and the star is fading as people realise the mass production has led to a drop in quality and are seeking other small craft beer producers.

Now look what you've started Gracie!

It is good, but in the meantime the damage and division is still being done elsewhere. At least the publicity seeking, self serving Youtuber, will get a few pennies out of it.

This forum is moderated, but if you take a look at other social media sites and comments sections, then the jar has been well and truly shaken sadly!

No Gracie no! I will not be changing my profile pic to a picture of a glass of Prosecco! I'll have you know I have plenty of joke books, only the Mods won't let me post the good ones There's at least 500 still awaiting authorisation. I still post them because at least the Mods get to see the good ones. I'm only joking by the way!

When I saw this thread, I thought I was going to be reading some bad news about my self then. I quite like the sound of Dark Star! They say a change is as good as a rest.

Let me make myself 100% clear. I am only talking about and discussing the incident shown in the video posted at the start of this thread, not any other boater / fishermen incident. I am talking about this specific incident.

I am not standing up for the actions of the anglers, or doubting the account of the people onboard Moonlight Shadow. At no point have I even mentioned them, I don't even know them. On the other hand as much as I wouldn't like to meet those two anglers, I'd like to meet that particular boater even less!

I fully agree, but we must remember we are only being shown, what someone wants us to see! The innocent boater coming in to moor, is the same person who filmed three innocent BA employee's going about their paid work, turning off and covering over an electric post at Sutton Staithe. He then posted a 5 minute video on Youtube of the three BA employees. They had the patience of a saint on that day. There is more to this latest sorry saga than we are being shown. Believe none of what you read and only half of what you see!

I fully agree and preferably by anyone on the receiving end of such action, with any supporting evidence they have, or are kindly supplied with by onlookers. It's the posting to social media to garner support from Mr and Mrs Indignant of The Norfolk Broads that I question. A few years back the same person did their best to drive a wedge between hire boaters and privateers with his constant posts and videos of being hit by hire boats, mainly at Sutton, conveniently forgetting that he made himself more of a target as a result of his frequent overstaying on the moorings.

Like I said, it depends on who's shaking the jar, and why? I'm certainly not going to get outraged, or indignant at a video that only shows part of an incident, recorded by someone with a very checkered history of courting controversy between different groups on the Broads.

I note it also has a mooring limit of 24hrs the same as the BA moorings. Two wrongs don't make a right. The poster of that video has a history of overstaying on moorings, the subject of the video has a history when it comes to BA electric posts. The two fishermen do appear to be obnoxious, but I would still question some of the history. I would urge caution before this debate gets too heated, or people get too outraged by the incident. If you put 100 black ants and 100 red ants in a glass jar nothing will happen. But if you take the jar and shake it violently then the ants will start killing each other. The red ants believe that the blacks ants are the enemy, whilst the black ants believe that the red ants are the enemy, when the real enemy is the person who shook the jar. The same is true in society and more often than not, social media. I would question who shook the jar, and their motives!

Yes, I believe the closed season is 15th March till 15th June.

It probably all depends on who approached them, and how they approached them. The poster of that video has a long history of being a thorn in the side of The BA. It 100% doesn't make the actions of the fishermen right and action should be taken, but really it needs the boater who was attempting to moor to contact the BA, not someone with an axe to grind, and their own personal agenda.

In the meantime productivity around the world quadrupled for an hour or so

Moss and Co have announced on their Facebook page that they will be back on the 12th April. If they are taking over on the 1st April as per Tobster's first post, that could mean a brief closure whilst they restock etc. I'd advise anyone thinking of visiting before the 12th April to ring ahead and check the situation.

The Commodore is currently open under Stonegate's mismanagement, sorry management. If Moss and Co are moving back in for April, I shouldn't think there will be any period of closure, just a transfer of business and hopefully a welcome change of menu and an improved food offering.

It has been pretty dire under Stonegate's management. Will look forward to giving it a try.

That is not strictly true, you have to factor in the deterrent effect. Along with new legislation normally comes minimum sentencing guidelines. If you knew there was a legal limit for helming on the Broads and exceeding that limit could be a fine ranging from £1,000 to £5,000 that might be a deterrent. If I drink two and a half pints I know I could still safely drive my car home, but I also know I'd be over the limit and I don't, but why? The chances of actually being stopped by the Police are quite remote, but still I don't. On the off chance I did get stopped I know I would lose my license and get a fine, that's deterrent number one. Then there's the chance I'm driving home and someone pulls out of a side turning without looking. The accident isn't my fault but I'm automatically to blame because if I'm over the limit I shouldn't have been on the road in the first place. Then there's the insurance situation. If I'm involved in an incident and found to be over the limit, whether I cause the accident or not, my insurance will only cover third parties, not my own damage. The primary legislation is the trigger for so many other deterrents all of which ensure I don't take the risk of driving over the limit. Without the primary legislation the insurance company wouldn't be able to put such clauses in place.

I think you're just baiting now Vaughan. So in the words of the Dragons. I'm out of this discussion.

But the case I'm not supposed to mention for some reason!!!! Did happen inland on a Broad.

I was just pointing out the similarities. Excess speed, drunk helm and navigating at night. Even the sentences are very similar. Nine month suspended sentence, 120 hours unpaid work and £15,000 fine. It should serve as a warning to all.

To be fair I would also question his right to hold a license to drive a car. Even the guests on board the boat have said they would not have got into a car with him, given the amount he had been drinking, which does lead to the obvious question, why get on a boat with him?

To a lot of people it is, but to the owner it's a mere slap on the wrist. To offload his responsibility for the vessel he sold it for £1. It is still stuck on the rocks and is proving very difficult to recover. The court should have made him responsible for the full cost of recovery. As Smoggy indicated the court did say that he is still liable for a further compensation claim which the court said was better judged by a civil court. It's interesting because the case has quite a few similarities to the one in Oulton Broad where a drunk helm crashed into a wooden boat moored on a mud weight.