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We live about 4 miles away from Woods End. Their reputation locally is nt to be envied !
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15 minutes ago, Regulo said:
Perhaps I was being unduly harsh. Yes, with young children and dogs I can see how panic can set in. This happens every week, and it shouldn't. Perhaps there needs to be better signage on the posts somehow. I just don't understand how something so simple, can cause such problems.
No reason for panic. They should have gently been told that their position presented no danger and what to do as the tide came back . So they couldn't make the pub for the evening - tough !
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35 minutes ago, grendel said:
i think it falls upon all of us more experienced broads users to assist and advise this growing number of new visitors to the area.
Whilst I agree, surely the real onus should fall on the yards ? After all, they are required under the terms of their licence .
"a) The Operator must ensure that before using a Vessel the Skipper is given:(i)An appropriate briefing in accordance with British Marine Federation (BMF)/Association of Inland Navigation Authorities (AINA) /Maritime and Coastguard Agency (MCA) Code for the Design and Construction and Operation of Hire Boats, Part 1, Section 5.2 Handover Procedures (September 2009) (or as subsequently amended).(ii)A proper demonstration on how to fit, wear and use the buoyancy aids or lifejackets provided with the Vessel.(iii)An instruction to advise those on board the Vessel in the use of the buoyancy aids or lifejackets.(b) The Operator mustrecord in writing and retain details of all briefings, demonstrations and instructions given under paragraph 9 (a) "
https://www.broads-authority.gov.uk/boating/owning-a-boat/Hired-powerboat-licensing
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46 minutes ago, NorfolkNog said:
That is actually a very good idea. Mrs Nog gave some assistance to a crew of first timers mooring at the Bridge Inn a couple of week ago. They were very grateful, Mrs N asked if the yard had given any advice and they said not. Maybe they just concentrate on safety issues which is faircraft enough. But surely the big yards could organise some socially distancing accommodaion JM suggests.
I did the same for a crew of 'newbies' at LudhamBridge a week ago. They were just the same, had been given no advice on even the very basic elements.
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1 hour ago, Bytheriver said:
I have been in the vicinity of a Day Boat Hire Yard for several days recently & clip boards & signatures were very much in evidence!
I cannot of course vouch for if this is something new, improved or has always happened, but in evidence none the less.
That will be for covid track and trace .
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1 hour ago, rightsaidfred said:
You can have all the education you like all the regulation you like you will never remove the human factor.
Fred
Are you trying to say that you can't legislate for idiots ?
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8 minutes ago, JennyMorgan said:
Agreed but facts is facts, there have been some horrendous incidents this year and at least one prop related death. Eventually, perhaps, we shall be told just how many of these casualties involved new comers to boating.
I have recently been involved in winding up two estates and dealing with banks. In dealing with banks, Lloyds and Barclays. I have had to listen to and view several related video presentations. I have then had to sign declarations to the effect that I had seen the presentations, that I understood them and was offered the opportunity to ask questions. Annoying, perhaps, but wholly understandable in this day and age.
Such videos already exist for Broads boat hirers , there can be no reasonable objection to such requirements for such requirements to be put in place.
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2 minutes ago, Jayfire said:
Do "green" boats become more slippery than c̶l̶e̶a̶n̶ other boats Eminem? Genuine question
Ask MM. He'll know
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Fine - if you wear a life jacket when on deck.
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13 minutes ago, grendel said:
here you show your true colours, this makes it seem that your comments are not aimed at hirers at all, when you talk of owners, its down to all people in charge of a boat to comply with the speed restrictions, upon looking i could only spot a single sad emoji, and this seemed to be a response to your assertation that all boats should be governed, and in that situation seemed an apt response from a private boat owner.
Your relating the governing to an HGV fails when it comes to safety and tides, HGV's dont have to push against a tide that could leave them going backwards out of control, boats sometimes do. whether they should be doing this or not is down to a choice by the skipper at the time.
No, boats don't have to, as has been pointed out earlier. Learn to understand tides and act according to this knowledge.
You can save fuel that way too.
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19 minutes ago, Lulu said:
And why is it not ok for me to mix with more than 6 of my family but its ok for me to mix with potentially up to 350 people every day at work.
To quote a past president of the US
"It's the economy stupid ".
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12 minutes ago, RealWindmill said:
MODS. ! Help ! They.re ganging up on me again. !
Words in response to my post like fatuous or using the SAD button to ridicule my post must be getting pretty close to violating some TOS.
Can we keep it civil please, and discuss.
Regarding the Broads as a tidal haven . The days of commercial cargo-carrying on the Broads such as freighters on the Yare are long gone ( excepting reed collecting lighters and eel fishermen ) so the havens now can really only considered to be below Haven Bridge or Mutford Lock.
Those with larger sea-going craft have excellent marina facility opportunities at Lowestoft Haven, Yarmouth harbour side, Southwold River, Ipswich marinas etc.
When people talk of suitability of boats for Broads they are invariably talking about purpose built displacement design hulls and the fleets of bathtub and modern hire boats present little problem of creating excessive wash., maybe less true of some of Brooms latest though. Sea going hulls again by their design present greater issues of wash to the riverbanks and other users, especially when at speed.
So to the governing point and my, apparently, stupid question.
A large truck or HGV on the road is governed for safety reasons and minimises the risks a bad driver of them may pose to other road users. So the large sea-going craft can be called the HGV's of the inland waterways as their size and wash potential can produce a similar intimidating presence to other watercraft, esp the smaller type who have come to enjoy the Broads Holiday area and as discussed are perhaps novices at it.
Frightening stuff for Mum and Dad and the kids who have been sold the dream of a relaxing safe and stressfree time on the Broads.
If owners won't comply to speed restrictions and behave thoughtfully to other users then , yes , govern them down whilst they keep their boat above Haven or Mutford.
As speiologist righly said there is no need for any competent skipper to have loads of HP in reserve for emergency use . If you use the tides winds currents correctly then nothing can really go wrong and you can extricate yourself from just about any issue you encounter.
My years of training with RYA powerboat courses and Offshore Fast Rescue Craft (FRC) taught me all of that.
Plus our excellent rescue services are ever present.
Excellent post and the highlighted point is well made .
I suggest that theason these owners choose not to keep their boat on th salty side is for one of two reasons - they lack the skills or confidence to do so, or mooring on the Broads is less expensive.
There are restrictions on the power of auxilliary yachts, which may have less than 10 hp or they suffer penalties by way of higher tolls.
Perhaps the time has come for the same principle to be appled to powered craft with engines of say more than 50 hp ?
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Ah ha. It's been moved ! Thanks .
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Cache clears when I exit , The problem is the same on both the laptop and the PC.
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21 minutes ago, grendel said:
currently editing is set for 10 minutes for members and full members.
Yes, but it's not showing at all for me .
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1 hour ago, vanessan said:
Oh he has, he most definitely has!
And doubtless it's the on he has been given
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We seem to have lost the 'Edit' facility. I recognised a 'typo' as a recent post of mine was loading. When it 'landed ' there was no edit button.
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12 minutes ago, Jayfire said:
Interesting Mrs V, very very interesting
I wonder if MR v has a view on that
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2 hours ago, grendel said:
not according to the maib statement in the EDP
Both ITV local news and BBC Look East arereporting that they are. I'd trust them before the EDP
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-norfolk-54176229
"Norfolk Police and the MAIB have opened an investigation."
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-54170207
"Carbon dioxide emissions from plug-in hybrid cars are as much as two-and-a-half times higher than official tests suggest, according to new research"
The main attraction would appear the benefit in kind taxation charge ! Many ex company full hybrids appear at car auctions wit the charging cable still sealed in it's original packaging !
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The MAIB investigation into the Diamond Emblem incident is ongoing .
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Like many, I have a 'Dart Charge account' which allows for automatic payment for the Dartford Crossing when used.
Yesterday I received the following email.
Dear ********
Account Number: ***********
Your Dart Charge account has been inactive for 12 months.
In accordance with our terms and conditions, your account will be closed if it remains inactive for a further 90 days. You can keep your account open by topping up your balance or by making a crossing in a vehicle which is linked to the account.
The account is close to £11 in credit !
It's surely unsurprising that I haven't used the crossing since last September, is it ?
So I have had to put another £10 (minimum payment ) in order to 'keep my account open' .
Refund of my ammount in credit ? Not a bl88dy chance !Since my main use of the Dartford crossing is to go to/from Gatwick or the Channel crossings, it's hardly surprising that I've not been down that way for the last six monts or more, is it ?
Another Incident At Grt Yarmouth I'm Afraid.
in Speakers' Corner:
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I know there are plenty who love 'toys', but depth sounders are notoriously inaccurate over liquid mud, which would pretty fairly describe the Breydon margins.