Elysian 27

[BuffaloBill]

Can anyone give me an idea what an Elysian 27 with inboard diesel is likely to weigh?

Also, does anyone have a trailer capable of transporting one from the broads to

Peterborough. Either to lend us or to hire to us.

Thanks.

Bill.

[Guest]

Around 4 tons.

More the province of a specialist commercial boat transporter, rather than a trailer, even towed by a 4x4.

There's also a maximum UK boat trailer width of 2.55 metres, and I think the Elysian may be just over that anyway ?

[zacthedog]

STOWIE, you got this one wrong mate, tonytugboats has moved many an Elysian, he moved mine from cambridgeshire to norfolk, and can be seen on his website, bill that move will cost around £360

[ZimbiIV]

Tonytugboats moved ours the other way St Ives to Brundal and would recommend him.

He is covered by insurance and you can just leave it to him to do.

His number is 07810646733, or email tony@tonytugboats.com

It is not something I would take on lightly.

Paul

[Guest]

I stand corrected then, TonyTugBoats certainly shows photos on his website of boats even up to what looks like a Freeman 27 being towed on a multi-wheel trailer behind a 4x4.

Sorry, the impression I got from the Opening Poster's question was that he was maybe looking for a trailer to borrow and use his own vehicle to tow it.

That's what I was thinking about, I believe there are now maximum weights and lengths that ordinary license holders can tow up to, and commercial operators are possibly licensed above those limits.

Only IMHO though, but they did tighten things up considerably for normal private driving license holders.

[MY littleboat]

I stand corrected then, TonyTugBoats certainly shows photos on his website of boats even up to what looks like a Freeman 27 being towed on a multi-wheel trailer behind a 4x4.

Sorry, the impression I got from the Opening Poster's question was that he was maybe looking for a trailer to borrow and use his own vehicle to tow it.

That's what I was thinking about, I believe there are now maximum weights and lengths that ordinary license holders can tow up to, and commercial operators are possibly licensed above those limits.

Only IMHO though, but they did tighten things up considerably for normal private driving license holders.

The limits are now set by the maximum authorised towing weight of the vehicle and maximum permissible load of the trailer, these are fixed whether you are a privaate driver or commercial operator. In addition the driver must be licensed to tow a trailer in that weight category, unless you have grandfather rights. However, when you apply for a new photocard license you will lose this right unless you supply a medical certificate ( a bit sneaky - same goes for mini buses!)

On that note, last time I was at a VOSA checkpoint two weeks ago, I saw a woman with a Discovery with a horsebox getting the book thrown at her as many people are totally unaware of new legislation....so better off getting someone in to do the job for you!

[osc]

you might try Howard@ HRS marine transport (01293 562828) - we used them recently (Howard made a complex move look simple)

[BuffaloBill]

Thanks for the replys.

May seek to get it done by a specialist company.

I do have grandfather rights on this though and can

drive 7.5 ton trucks too. Also we do have a good

4x4 to do the the job but sound like we might get

someone to do it for us.

.

Bill

[petersjoy]

Bill, What you up to.

A little winter project pehaps?

[BuffaloBill]

Paul................

[MBA Marine]

Regardless of how good the 4x4 may be its the towing capacity of the vehicle marked on vin plate that matters and if it is approx 4tons + the trailer weight then unless you have some big american truck (of a old range rover thats not plated!) its going to be over capacity, People used to change the rear axel on transits to carry more, this doesnt help as its whats on the plate from manufacturer that is the law.

Quite right lots of girls with horse boxes are being caught out. If you passed your driving test after jan 1997 then you (like me) have alot missing of your liecense on of wich is B+E (car+trailer) and you are restriced to a trailer less than 3/4t thats trailer and its load. If you want to tow a braked trailer over 3/4t then you must take the test.

The test is the full practical test again with a box trailer (or trailer that obscures the rear view), Plus car park manuvers inc reverse round an 's' missing cone and backing in parking bay, coupling/uncouplling and Emergancy stop topped of with a fun trailer safety Q&A test as you sit in vehicle.

For anyone thinking they can just go and do it. WRONG!!!!!!! I had towed my mums burger van for years (illegaly!) and was happy i was safe and compitant but you have to do everything in the right order and you need to loose your bad driving habits. you will need a couple of lessons, open your mind and ditch you opinions if you want to pass.

I passed driving test 1st time, didnt take suitable lessons before and failed B+E 1st time, took couple of lessons and passed 2nd ettempt.

Driving through Norwich, negotiating road works, being confident but not too confident and not clipping any curbs/cones with tailer, great fun!

What made it all worth while was that about 3 months after i took the test i was pulled over for a weigh and general grilling (fuel dipped, enviroment agency, inland revenue and customs, police and vosa all present spot checking), I had a leagal trailer filled with soil, sadly i was 1/2t over weight!!!!! Your not alowed back on the road till you loose weight, im my case i phoned friends and shoveled soil over to other trailer, but if i had a boat on, what do you do???????? I got a telling off and was told if i do it again i get a nasty fine. But how glad was i that i had passed my test!

[Guest]

Thanks for that MBA,

I was right then, about the law becoming much tighter on "heavy" trailers and who can tow them....

[MBA Marine]

Thanks for that MBA,

I was right then, about the law becoming much tighter on "heavy" trailers and who can tow them....

That you were, from the same date drivers lost the entitlment to drive cat C as well, i forget the weight but im ok with a transit/sprinter but i couldnt drive a 10t flatbed when i wanted to hire one!

I asked my instucter when i did the trailer test about doing the C test, he said no point, may as well skip that one as it would cost the same and pretty much the same test to to go for 32t ridgid body. but at the cost of approx £2000 i decided i could just get my half blind dad to hire anything big as he can dive anything!!!!!!!!!!!

This subject is still a bit sore to me, proberbly because had i been born a year earlier i could have had all the other entitlements. I think training should be compulary as there are alot of scary caravan users out there but not the full test again, you end up spending a fortune. So many things have been changed for my generation by previous generations, Is it that they thought we have had it too easy and that we must suffer in anyway possible, of is it that due to years of wreckless over spending and sticking our countries nose into all that didnt consern us, they now screw every penny from every avenue possible!

sorry venting here, rant over!

[Guest]

If we go further back in history, the situation is even more ludicrous.

When my father was still alive his license permitted him to drive almost anything with wheels, or even tracks.

He started driving in the Royal Navy, during WW2. I understand he didn't even have to take a test, and his license was for all groups of Cars, Lorries and Motorbikes......

[Simonboatshift]

Hi all, new to the forum but not to the boat transport industry.

Well all I can say is if you can tow it good luck!! If you are lucky enough to have the entitlement on your licence thats a start. Any vehicle towing is limited to a trailer weight of 3500 kgs, and that is gross. That means you take the weight of your trailer off your 3500 kgs, giving you the weight you can load. The only way you can tow more is if you have your Hgv. There are only a few tow vehicles that can legally pull 3.5t (I.e range rover, discovery, land cruiser) most 4x4's can't. (l200's, pajero/shogun etc etc) so carefully check your vehicle specs.

You may see pictures of certain vehicles towing what is blatantly overweight loads, but it is only a matter of time before there is an accident or vosa catch up.....if there is an accident and you are unfortunate enough to be the owner of the boat, don't think that any insurance policy in the world is going to pay out once they know the circumstances. And if vosa stop it, the boat will not be moving anywhere until it's on a suitable vehicle. Sorting this out alone could be costly- especially if you have already paid a 'professional' to do it.

So, if in any doubt, use a reputable, professional company who will move the boat with equipment suitable for the job.

It may cost a little more that way but you won't loose everything if it goes wrong.

[Simonboatshift]

Oh I forgot to mention that if anyone hires or is paying someone else to tow anything where the combined vehicle mass ( tow vehicle & trailer & and load) exceeds 3.5t then by law they also have to use a tacho graph and are to run under eu drivers hours law, the same as trucks.

[Antares_9]

I'm always loath to argue with a "pro" but you are off the mark with the Shogun towing capacity, it is 3.5 tonnes braked capacity which is the most one can tow anyway, only reason I am certain is that I have just done the numbers as we are in the process of replacing our current car with one. Perhaps the older models are not but new ones certainly are, even automatic.