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11 minutes ago, DAVIDH said:
Yes, and a good few will have had to cancel as their holiday should have started the Saturday before the Monday start date..
I guess another slightly less palatable option would be to keep the booking but arrive to pick your boat up first thing Monday morning and have a shorter but no less welcome break. I think the weekend after is the start of half term break and prices go up anyway and then there is the bank holiday weekend, so keeping a shorter week in the lower rate period might be more preferable than pushing it back.
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8 minutes ago, Smoggy said:
Asking BA would be more accurate though.
Possibly true, you've seen their track record, but you've got to assume if he'd wanted to ask the BA, then he would have done. Instead he chose to start a discussion here.
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2 hours ago, Chelsea14Ian said:
Why not ask the Broads Authority.
I guess asking a discussion forum dedicated to the Norfolk Broads which has a representative of the BA as one of its members is also a good place to ask the question. Maybe Andrew was hoping to start a discussion rather than seek a definitive answer from the BA.
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2 hours ago, ZimbiIV said:
If you have not been contacted and are over 60, ring 119 you should have been contacted by now.
They are currently working their way through group 5 the over 65's and group 6 those with underlying health conditions.
The NHS Covid booking site says
If you are not eligible yet
Wait to be contacted. The NHS will let you know when it's your turn to have the vaccine. It's important not to contact the NHS for a vaccination before then.
The criteria from that website is over 64's, health and social care workers and those eligible for carer's allowance.
Book a coronavirus vaccination - NHS (www.nhs.uk)
They are probably busy enough at the moment, I don't mind waiting my turn.
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1 hour ago, JennyMorgan said:
So Mr Horrocks bought a pup then
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Not really, he just got greedy. When he was charging 20K rent for a seasonal pub, that was more than 10% return on investment. Good money whilst it lasted. Now bringing the rent down to 10k per year would have kept his tenants, and the pub open and still provided more than 5% return on investment. I cannot remember the last time I found interest rates on savings anywhere close to that.
A reasonable rent would have meant an open pub and an appreciating asset to sell in the future with the rent providing better returns than the same money sitting in a bank.
The Berney Arms was never going to be a Bridge Inn, New Inn or Maltsters, but then it didn't have the same price tag. It just needed a reasonable landlord to find a couple who were not greedy, liked the location and were happy to earn enough to live on in an idylic spot. It got half the combination, shame about the other half!
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Anybody who meets the criteria can use the NHS website to book their vaccines. Basically anyone over 64, frontline health and social care workers or if you are eligible for Carers allowance. You can also use the service on behalf of someone else in case they are not able to use a computer or connected to the internet.
Other groups who are eligible for the vaccine, but have not yet been contacted shouldn't use the link, but wait to be contacted.
Book a coronavirus vaccination - NHS (www.nhs.uk)
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Yep mine arrived today. Just need to be able to visit the boat for a few days now to sit and read the book.
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The picture below shows the access off The Acle straight. Note the open gate and the White private road sign on the post, then a 100 yards later two gates for the level crossing. The owner of that farm could close the first gate at any time. That is three gates you have to open and close within the first couple of hundred yards of leaving the Acle straight. There are many more gates used to control the movements of livestock. Whether they are left open or closed at any given time is up to the farmers and depending on where the animals are at the time.
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1 minute ago, JennyMorgan said:
Re vehicular access over a footpath, it really is confusing, having been there, done that and earned several t-shirts. There is a limit as to how many properties can be accessed by a car off a single track, seemingly irrespective of length for one thing, I believe that it's five. Distance from the highway to a property is another factor. A footpath is just that, a footpath and a landowner is not obliged to grant consent unless it's already an established right. Not to say that the RSPB wouldn't say no to a generous donation! Yes, it will all be in the legal pack but I don't believe that Mr Horrocks can take anything for granted. My feeling is that he is effectively landlocked.
There is footpath access via The Weavers Way and not even a tractor would get all the way along that. It is purely a footpath with stiles. The tracks that lead all the way to the RSPB and go past the Berney Arms are gravel roads and private and cross more than one land owners property. There are private road signs on both the ways in that I know. There are many gates along the way to keep live stock in their allocated field. You will note in one of my earlier pictures there is even a gate next to a private road sign even though there is a level crossing gate a 100 yds further on. The level crossing gates are Network Rails and there for safety. The first gate is the land owners to exert his ownership of the land. The RSPB are not the only parties that need to be negotiated with, They only own the last part along the edge of Breydon past The Berney Arms, but you can bet they do have covenants or negotiated rights of access across the other land owners property.
It's actually worth standing back and pointing out at this point that the EDP article referred to a planning application being prepared. None has been submitted yet that I can see on the BA portal. If it was the 1st April I'd have paid it no attention.
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14 minutes ago, floydraser said:
Me too. According to the video on this thread, it's been a guest house so surely there must have been access, and since that time subsequent landowner's must have been aware of the need to access the pub. I guess it's in the legal pack somewhere.
And what are the sewerage arrangements? No, not my specialist subject!
Would access be needed to empty a holding tank?
It has access, it has it's own moorings and permitted access to use the track to The Berney Arms station. However it is not on a public road and therefore there is no public road access.
Sewage always used to be a cesspit. No mains water, only a well which is not drinking quality. No rubbish collection and I'm pretty sure no mail delivery. I think you might struggle with Uber eats or amazon deliveries out there. You will however not get a discount from your council tax for having to dispose of your own rubbish!
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5 minutes ago, grendel said:
https://www.who.int/news-room/feature-stories/detail/how-do-vaccines-work
you have to catch the virus for it to work , basically it tries to kill it off inside you before you infect too many others, the quicker its killed off inside your body, the less chance it has to reproduce and get passed on.
a vaccine doesnt stop you catching the virus, it does enable your body to have a pre-prepared response to the virus enabling the body to kill it off earlier, preventing you getting as sick., thus if you dont get the cough, there is less chance to pass the virus on.
Thus Matt Hancock was probably correct when he said,
He added: "It looks like the first jab reduces your impact of transmitting the disease by about two-thirds, but we need more evidence on that as well. "
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26 minutes ago, YnysMon said:
Sorry folks, but I'm confused. I know it's not an easy site to get to, and I would think twice about living there myself, but I got the impression there was at least one other building occupied nearby when we walked past Berney Arms last November (just before lockdown). I think it's called Ashtree Farm on the OS map, though it looked like it might have been divided into more than one property. There were several cars parked outside that property, plus the cars of the people who were occupying the caravan(s) on the Berney Arms site, so presumably access must be possible and services available...?
Ashtree Farm is owned by the RSPB. There is a track leading all the way across the marshes to Ashtree Farm if you know the route, however the RSPB own part of the track and have permission from other land owners to use the rest of the track. The RSPB extends this permission to use the track to its visitors, but it is not open to the general public and there is no general public access across the first part of the tracks not owned by the RSPB.
I know the routes from Halvergate and from the Acle straight, but I do not have permission to drive on either route, although I could find my way to The Berney Inn. However there are public foot paths out there.
The last part of the track that serves Ashtree Farm also goes past The Berney Inn, but what legal rights of access they have over that land and the first part of the track is very debatable, and without guaranteed legal access I wouldn't buy a property out there.
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Just now, grendel said:
'could' to me, doesnt equate to scientific proof. i will be glad if that is correct, but there is too much guessing going around for my liking.if everyone starts doing as they like because they have had the vaccine, then where does that lead.
I don't think anyone is suggesting people do as they like!!! No vaccine is 100% effective at stopping you catching the virus, so even if you do have the vaccine whilst there is a lot of virus around there is still a chance of getting very ill or dying. What is being suggested is that the vaccine is also proving to be effective at stopping the spread, thus it will become increasingly harder to be exposed to the virus and thus the risk of catching it, vaccinated or not, will be significantly reduced. The result are suggesting that the vaccine has an efficacy of 76% after the first dose, so that means there is a 24% chance of catching severe disease, however as time goes on, and if the vaccine is 67% effective at stopping the spread of the virus, then it will gradually become harder to be exposed to the virus.
In an interview with Sky News on Sunday, Health Secretary Matt Hancock said the impact of the vaccine on stopping transmission is "something that we have early evidence" of.
He added: "It looks like the first jab reduces your impact of transmitting the disease by about two-thirds, but we need more evidence on that as well. "
I don't read anywhere the suggestion that people can now start doing what they like!!
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11 minutes ago, grendel said:
in the same way that the flu vaccine doesnt stop you catching the flu, but helps your body fight it when you do catch it, this vaccine wont stop you catching covid, but will help your body fight it off, thus you can still pass it on, but if everyone gets vaccinated the death rate should take a tumble because everyone will be better placed to fight off the initial infection, because thats how vaccines work.
and yet Matt Hancock and others including Israel have said the vaccine is helping to stop the transmission of the virus as well as protect from severe disease. Matt Hancock said that a first dose could cut transmission rates by two thirds.
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54 minutes ago, Mouldy said:
As long as the BA wake up and open the rivers,
I think you will find that the BA have not closed the rivers at all, the Government has stopped you from travelling to your boat. As and when the Government restrictions are lifted I will first off visit my boat, then use it for the day and finally stay on it overnight, no matter what interpretation the BA might want to put on any Government legislation. The Government run the country, the BA just do a rather poor job at times of managing and maintaining a small part of it.
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4 minutes ago, Maxwellian said:
Is it possible to get from the library to Mill Road( footpath green line) this would be shorter?
The Green line is the aforementioned path that NorfolkNog referred to that comes out through the church yard and opposite The Swan. Used it many a time myself.
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8 hours ago, JennyMorgan said:
Was that a good price back then? I know what was paid for the Waveney River Centre back in 1979 so I can only guess that £180K was a very good price on the surface. Perhaps Mr H thought that he was onto a fast buck. Now there is a plan to create four residences. Is the present power supply up to the mark, seemingly not. Sewerage disposal, is that up to the mark, I doubt it. Vehicular access, nothing guaranteed other than problems. But then any building site in Broadland is surely going to be worth at least £200k, it's got to be worth solving a few problems!
Good price or not, you have to consider that 20k a year rent for a seasonal pub was extortion and provided a way above average return on investment, even more so when compared to The Locks, which at the time was trading all year round, albeit on reduced opening in the Winter for 9k a year rent. Now if John and Tracy had been paying 9K a year, they might just still be there now and the pub still turning an annual rent for the landlord. How many years has it been shut now with no income and just gradually rotting away.
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Just now, Chelsea14Ian said:
Dont forget all these dates are dependent upon,infection, death rates remaining steady if they jump like they've done previously.The time table may change.
On the other hand, the optimistic view is the vaccine is doing it's job. We didn't have that last time around, and the rates continue to fall and the dates start to feel like we could have moved faster but are being sensible. I must confess at this stage nightclubs open on the 21st June seems very optimistic, but you have to consider no dates were set last year for the remainder of society to open up. That has to be seen as a government more sure than last year of how things could progress. Lets hope so. I cannot wait to get back in a night club again
Actually to be honest the one thing I really want to be able to do is just stand at the bar again. Yes I was glad when pubs opened again last year, but it just never quite got back to normal. Being able to stand up after a meal and have a final pint or two at the bar and chat with whoever has been really missed.
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46 minutes ago, grendel said:
the big question is will gatherings (informal or formal be allowed, the meet will of necessity bring many people together in self contained accommodation (cant think of a better description of that than a boat) but when we arrive, will we all need to set up a barrier round the stern of our boats?, or will we by the time we are all at salhouse be able to mix?
The rule of six outdoors is re-introduced on the 29th March and on the 17th May is scrapped. At the same time, up to a 1000 people or half full at indoor sports venues and up to 4000 people or half full allowed at outdoor venues.
You will be 48hrs shy of such a massive rule change it is very debatable a small gathering in Norfolk is going to compare to potentially 4000 people meeting in a football stadium 48 hrs later.
Technically I guess it would be against the law, but I would suggest it is very much down to your conscience, ultimately if the rules are being relaxed 48 hrs later, your not going to make much difference in the grand scheme of things. If the government feels happy at letting multiple meetings of quite large crowds to occur from the 17th May, is anyone going to worry about a minor misdemeanor the Saturday before. Especially if it's not shouted from the rooftops.
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12 minutes ago, NeilB said:
Exactly what I was thinking, especially as we're due up on the 10th ! We'll wait until full details are published as to whether we can still leave on the 10th, if not it looks like an early start on the 12th !
Pretty much explains it all fairly concisely.
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The Berney Arms Inn is covered by land registry title NK261304, I obtained a copy some time ago. Just rereading it I have spotted an interesting point.
"Together with full right and liberty for the Purchaser and his successors in title and all persons authorised by him or them to pass and repass over and along the driftway leading from Berney Arms Railway Station to the said property hereby conveyed either with or without horses carts carriages motor cars and other vehicles from time to time and at all times hereafter and for all purposes"
There is no mention of any right to use the track that leads to The Berney Arms across the marshes, only the section between the pub and the station, which ultimately is also the section that leads to the RSPB. I believe it is them who own the main track out to and past the Berney Arms. However how you would get a motor vehicle out there to use between the pub and the station without a right of access is a mystery! As one of my earlier pictures shows you wouldn't even get a horse and cart down the last part to the station, shanks pony or just a horse, but no cart or motor vehicle, not now at least.
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4 minutes ago, NorfolkNog said:
Talking of the Norfolk pubs site this is the entry for the Berney.
http://www.norfolkpubs.co.uk/norfolkr/reedham/reedhba.htm
It does have the Greene King logo if you look carefully to the top right of the main building.
Seems to have done OK as a pub since 1955. I see Mr Schofield paid £2,500 for it. I wonder what is cost Mr H?
The most recent landlords are noted as Mandy Webb and Joe Royle (wasn't he a footballer)? Wonder if they were connected with Hollocks?
Mr H as Orangetree Properties paid £180,000 for The Berney in 2001.
PI Joe and Mandy took over the Berney after John and Tracy gave it up, unfortunately they never really understood the business. We were sat outside with a pint one afternoon just after they took over. It was about 14:50 and Mandy came out to say that they had to go to Yarmouth for supplies and were about to close the pub for a couple of hours and did we want another pint before they closed. Nice of her to ask and we did have another pint, but we both agreed they wouldn't last. It was just approaching low water and over the course of the next hour we watched as boat after boat moored up, and walked up to find the pub closed. John and Tracy knew that walkers could stop by at any time and always knew the tides and when to expect a rush.
PI Joe and Mandy were business partners with Joe being the silent partner. His real line of work, you might have guessed, he was a private investigator.
To complete the story, he is now the current landlord of The Fishermans and making more of a success over there. We have him to thank for the Burgh Castle moorings being open again after the BA gave up the lease.
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6 minutes ago, Bygoneboozers said:
Norfolk Pubs site seem to suggest that Admiral might have leased it to Angliatime, whoever they are.
http://www.norfolkpubs.co.uk/norfolks/surlingham/surlifh.htm
Anglotime was dissolved in 2011, no guesses for who the director was? A certain Mr Hollocks. It was about the time that Anglotime was dissolved that Sonia managed to free herself of this punitive landlord and go direct.
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1 hour ago, Maxwellian said:
Ordered, thanks.
If as predicted we are able to go boating before the pubs open, then an evening with a good book and a glass of Red whilst the sun sets will be the order of the day.
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Would access be needed to empty a holding tank?
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From the queues I've seen on TV of places such as Liverpool and elsewhere where they were doing asymptomatic testing there was a good chance of catching Covid in the queue if you didn't already have it. What social distancing in the queue. As long as I don't have symptoms I'm not risking catching it by going for a test. Unnecessary risk springs to mind.