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Thought this was worth a post given recent discussions about immunity and vaccines etc.
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I think it's common knowledge that the figures are slow over the weekend for all the data and then catch up during the week, so let's not be too quick to knock the roll out just yet.
Secondly it's worth reflecting how well we are doing with the roll out compared to the rest of Europe, in fact the world.
Yes I want my jab yesterday, but would rather be waiting my turn in the UK, than elsewhere at the moment. There will always be oddity's, some areas slower than others, some people you wouldn't expect getting it before others, all for a myriad of reasons, but on the whole lets look at how well we are doing at the moment.
4.26 million vaccinated already. That's got to be good news.
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5 minutes ago, snunn said:
Just read a report that it’s looking like April 2nd before restrictions are fully lifted , that would mean we could have 1 full day on the boat , shame it’s 400 Miles each way !
The report I saw said that April 2nd was when the restrictions would start to be lifted, not fully lifted. With the recent death tolls even the Tory back bench MPs have lost the stomach for pushing for an early lifting of restrictions until the time is right. April 2nd is said to be the date being thought about for the gradual lifting of restrictions, apart from schools which could go back earlier than that.
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I'd be a little wary of looking at third party calculators such as the above for guidance. For some time it was out of date, as you say now being updated from 1 million per week to 2 million per week, which might still be an underestimate. Additionally as we have already seen roll out rates are varying across the country and the Government is already having discussions about changing the priority groups for vaccinations in phase 2 which comes after the first 9 groups in phase 1 has been completed.
Nice little bit of PR for Omni, but all the information on groups and order of roll outs are available on official Government websites. I know which group I'm in and therefore a rough timescale, but I'll know its happening once I get that letter, call or text.
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I guess the main message is that those who are lucky enough to have the vaccination are more likely to be protected and survive if they catch the virus, but they still need to play their part in taking all the usual precautions to ensure they do not spread it to those who have not received the vaccination yet.
The good thing is that the ones currently receiving the vaccination are more than likely the groups who will keep on taking precautions. If the vaccination had started with the younger groups first they more than others may have seen that as their passport to continue normal life straight away.
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15 minutes ago, floydraser said:
I've heard of a senior NHS worker who works from home getting the jab, and her husband who is over 50 but doesn't qualify. I've also heard of builders working in a hospital getting the jab, which I agree with.
I'm surprised no-one has commented about the order of vaccine priority. At the risk of making myself extremely unpopular, here's my go:
NHS & care workers - Teachers, police, firefighters etc. - Essential retail staff - Anyone unable to work from home - Students - the rest of those employed - as you were. I've probably missed out a group or two but that's generally the idea.
That's my attempt at prioritising those who at most risk of actually spreading the virus. It puts me and probably most of you at the bottom of the list I know, but maybe we should put self interest aside for a while.
Until you realise that the vaccine doesn't prevent you spreading the virus, it protects those who have the vaccine from developing serious illness or dying, then you need to protect those most at risk, however they catch it. That means targeting those that have been shown to be most likely to die if they catch it.
A healthy young vaccinated teacher may catch the virus and probably wouldn't have got seriously ill anyway, but can still take it home to their parents, or grandparents who may well die from it.
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3 minutes ago, LizG said:
The newspapers and BBC are giving a lot of hype to this - this morning. So please explain how the residents of Ware over 70 or vulnerable got a text last Tuesday including my daughter. Unfortunately by the time she got through to the doctors they had run out! At least one neighbour over 70 had her vaccine last week!
More than likely because they have been told not to waste vaccine. If they have no one else coming forward in the groups they are targeting then they will move on down the list. One area if it has done all it can in the targeted groups isn't going to wait for the others to catch up. Today's announcement is for the general targeting of the next groups. Once a particular group is called forward there will be the initial rush. and then it will get harder to get people to come forward due to transport, communication issues, wrong phone number, post delay, person already ill etc. So they will move onto the next group whilst still accepting people from the previous groups in parallel. They need to keep enough recipients in the pipeline to keep up with the number of vaccines they have available.
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2 hours ago, BroadAmbition said:
I was invited forward for the flu vaccine in December which I gratefully accepted
I hear on the news this morning that they are commencing asking forward the over 70's for the covid vaccine. I'm in the over 60's bracket so who knows when it'll be my turn
Griff
The attached graphic shows the 9 groups in the first phase of the rollout and the estimated numbers in each group. The current stated aim is to complete the first four groups by mid Feb. They started with groups 1 and 2 and this morning have moved onto groups 3 and 4.
Griff unless you have a condition that fits you into group 4 with Ian, or group 6 which generally can be defined as anyone normally invited for a free flu jab (I don't think that includes the general extension to the over 50's for this year) because of an underlying condition such as diabetes or asthma. I would imagine you are in group 7.
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1 hour ago, TheQ said:
This might give a clue.. https://www.omnicalculator.com/health/vaccine-queue-uk
That appears to be inaccurate. It estimates based on a vaccine rate of 1,000,000 doses per week. Thankfully at present they are ahead of that.
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56 minutes ago, finny said:
When I had my jab I was lucky enough to get to speak to the pharmacist who mixed the dose . I asked will this vaccine give immunity? - she replied No . You can still catch the virus and spread it .what it will do is beef up your immune system T cells to be able to recognize covid and fight it in a bid to lower hospitalization and deaths ( her words )
Whilst in my local shop over the weekend I heard an elderly lady telling the shop keeper that she wasn't worried any more as she had had the jab and was now immune .
I have to admit I have concerns of the mixed messages about what exactly this vaccine does
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My understanding is that the jab will protect the person receiving it from getting ill from Covid. It won't stop them getting or spreading Covid. Much was said in the early days about herd immunity and there is a lot to be said for that if you can keep the people who will be most vulnerable from Covid isolated whilst the virus runs rampant through the younger and those with stronger immune systems, we could develop herd immunity, but keeping the elderly and most vulnerable shielded whilst that happens is neigh on impossible.
If the vaccine protects those that receive it, at some point the restrictions could be lifted once the vulnerable have been vaccinated to allow the virus to spread amongst the rest of the population to develop herd immunity, knowing that if it is passed onto one of the more vulnerable the vaccine should mean illness is far less severe. Even those who have had Covid, have the ability to deal with it second time around, but not the ability to not catch or spread it. Having the vaccine is a little like already having had Covid once, is my understanding.
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Time will tell how this goes, but if we look back at Spanish Flu, that vanished without a vaccine, we can only but hope that Covid goes the same way eventually.
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14 minutes ago, NorfolkNog said:
Absolutely
Sums it up.
I think it's right to consider the viability of the enterprise. However if you are looking for a return there are no guarantees. I got the mighty return of 18 quid on the lottery this week. But if I had the money I'd certainly look at it if for nothing more than to have done my bit and hopefully enjoy the unique atmosphere in the future.
With regards to returns, having read the share prospectus the value of the shares will never go up, so no one would ever get more back than they paid in. If you invested £1000 now and in 20 years time the whole venture was wrapped up for some reason, the most you could get back would be £1000. If after paying back all the share holders there was a surplus it would be distributed to one or more community projects.
There are only two ways you might possibly benefit financially. Your initial investment may be allowed against your tax bill, so if you invested £1000 and you are a 30% tax payer you should be able to claim back 30% of that investment from the tax man. The second route is via any interest paid to share holders if and when the venture creates a surplus profit.
A question was asked earlier about how it would be managed. Each share holder gets a vote. The shareholders vote in a 12 strong management committee who must be shareholders which will stand for an initial 12 month term and then each reelection afterwards would be for three years. The management committee would appoint a pub manager to run the pub day to day. I believe but don't know for sure that The White Horse at Upton runs along similar lines.
This is a community venture to secure a community asset for the benefit of the community, whilst allowing those outside the community to offer their support.
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I do wonder how much of the share offer has been read by some making observations here!
Can I politely suggest that if this project is to survive, it needs support not criticism, unless it is from the point of view of having read all the material. Anybody thinking of investing should read all the material and then decide for themselves whether it suits them or not. Negativity breeds negativity.
The proposed future of The Locks is not as a charity, or business, but a community benefit society, therefore it is the community that will benefit primarily. Any assets and if and when surplus profits are locked in and used to benefit the community as a whole.
If you purchase shares you would have the warm fuzzy feeling of having helped the pub survive and having helped the community. There is no quick profit or benefits for the individual investor. There are no discounts, no dividends or sweeteners, if that is what you are looking for then you've probably missed the point of the share offer. If after three years the venture is making a profit, some of that profit would be returned as interest to the share holders, with the rest going to community projects.
I would imagine the greatest incentive to invest is for those who live in the area and stand to benefit from the pub as a community asset. I would suggest that others who have a fondness for the pub and the area and who may even think of moving to the area at some stage in the future should think of it as a benevolent investment rather than a financial one, and should only do so if they have some spare cash they can afford to tie up for some considerable time and are not expecting a return on their investment.
You would get the benefit of being able to sit in the pub garden at some point in the future and think in some small way I helped to save this pub, which is probably worth more than 10% of your food and drink because you invested in the pub.
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1 minute ago, JennyMorgan said:
Allegedly you would.
Just maybe there would then be a demand for electricity on the moorings, I wonder if that might alter the customer base.
I suspect there would be many who would want electric on the moorings, but the BA sold off the woodland so both runs either thru the woodland, or the pub gardens sound like expensive options to me. They couldn't go overhead which might be cheaper because money has already been spent in that part of the world removing pylons and cables from sight.
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1 hour ago, JennyMorgan said:
I note the intention to connect to the national grid. I find that alarming, the very ethos and character of the place could be under threat. I have read the prospectus, am glad that I did.
Being connected and how you use it are two different things. Most of the pub was served by a big generator out the back which could be noisy and also smelly when the wind blew the wrong way. It was used to power many things, but the main bar was still lit by candle light. Connection to the grid would get rid of the nuisance factors and needn't change the character of the main bar.
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He would have been instructed to go there by a corporation that has a virtually bottomless pit of money from the license payer. Nothing about that report couldn't have been conducted from the studio. I don't know where that reporter is based, but the BBC Breakfast show on which that segment figured comes from Manchester Media City. He wouldn't have been alone, presumably camera man, sound man and some one doing comms for the live link to the studio and Theo's house.
Still at least it was safer than the essential report from Superdrug yesterday where a reporter was inside waving a mike on a pole around in front of staff and someone who had just received the vaccine from her local pharmacy. At one point he was about a metre away from the poor woman who had received the vaccine and was waiting the few minutes in case of a reaction, before being allowed to go home.
I promise if they'd have done the report from the studio I would have believed them that Superdrug were giving out the vaccine.
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Just been watching the news and not surprising really the economy shrunk by 2.6% in November. So the British Biased Corporation feel it necessary to send a reporter to Oxford Street to show us how quiet it is because surprise surprise all the shops are shut. The reporter then proceeds to conduct an interview with a retail expert Theo Paphitis who sensibly is coming live from his front room while the reporter stands looking cold on an empty Oxford Street. There is absolutely nothing in that report that couldn't have been conducted from a warm studio and save the cost of sending a crew to show us an empty Oxford Street. He should be fined for non essential travel and have his media pass revoked for 4 weeks.
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1 hour ago, JennyMorgan said:
something that so many refuse to do.
There's a very interesting Guardian article on this!
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4 minutes ago, Vaughan said:
Funnily enough, there is an article on the EDP website about diesel pollution from a sinking boat in Thorpe. Sorry I don't know how to link it but it is another classic piece of Archant journalism.
The story referred to can be found here
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1 minute ago, JennyMorgan said:
The Thurne Lion also had well known links to the grubbier side of our illustrious capital.
Indeed, least said about that one the better.
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11 hours ago, JennyMorgan said:
One of the Krays was in Norwich Prison so perhaps Upton was handy for him when visiting the boss.
I've done a bit of searching around this morning and I had it slightly wrong, it wasn't their accountant, but it was their rivals the Richardson gang who used to use the area and the pub as a bolt hole when things got rough down in the city. It is claimed that a lot of local houses were built by the gang as a means of laundering their money. The following page has a piece about the pub and about pictures on the wall of the pub. I remember now that it was browsing the various bits and pieces on the walls back in the day when "Winkle" Ray Norman ran the pub that I first read about the connection.
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For the peace, tranquility and serenity you cannot beat the section between Beccles and The Locks. Sitting in the garden of The Locks Inn on a Summers day is like a step back in time, a bygone era. Has an almost medieval feel about the place at times. Much of the Waveney as you head down from Beccles to Breydon seems like it has never changed. The swing bridge invokes images of industrialisation.
A rather strange one, but The White Horse Upton always reminds me of gangsters. I'm sure I read somewhere that The Krays accountant bought a place in the village and made the pub his local when up that way lying low for a while from the troubles back in London. I read that for many years the locals never knew his past which only surfaced in more recent times.
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6 minutes ago, JennyMorgan said:
I'm well aware that we are prepared for many contingencies, like nuclear attacks and missile strikes, but if we were so prepared for this latest pandemic then why are new laws being written and passed by Parliament?
I think it's fair to say that there are very few if any countries that were well prepared for this pandemic. Generally speaking those that have been successful at getting it under control quickly are those countries where civil liberties are largely ignored. It appears we really cannot have our cake and eat it.
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28 minutes ago, floydraser said:
Unfortunately, there are at least 3 households in our cul-de-sac that have flounted the guidance/rules a lot more than Dominic Cummings. I'm sure the same is so nationwide.
Yes the same is true around here including the mum that drops her two toddlers off to the nursery so that she can then entertain her friends for coffee morning.
I checked today and the short drive I took from my house to the car park I used to access the country park at the weekend was 3.5 miles. Approximately half the distance between Downing Street and The Olympic Park. I also minimised contact by not taking a personal trainer or four bodyguards.
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I think Vaughan has it about right. Many younger people who get the virus are asymptomatic and never even know they've had the virus. They only present a danger to the older and vulnerable groups but not generally to themself. Once those most at risk from the virus have been vaccinated then the only way has to be to let it spread amongst the young, fit and healthy and hope for herd immunity. However the big worry here is the group of roughly 1 million vulnerable who for whatever reason will not be able to have the vaccine. How do we protect them?
I keep hoping that like Spanish Flu it will eventually die out.