ChrisB

The problem on small leisure boats is that unlike the security business which is 12v DC most fire and gas dectection for permanent hard wiring are 24v DC.

On the subject of the danger of incomplete combustion, Wood Burners if incorrectly installed can be a very dangerous source of CO. One has to remember that air is only 21% oxygen at sea level so only 21% of the capacity of a boat or room is any good for combustion.

I am not that well up on combustion! Having been retired for 10 years but for the last 10 years of my career I worked for the Swiss Company that invented the original cold cathode ionisation detector and a range of gas detection. Now part of Siemens. During the Second World War, the Swiss Government, though neutral were very worried about Hitler resorting to the use of poison gas. They employed a Physicist, Dr Smilie to work on gas detection. At the time he failed to come up with the pelistor type gas detection and worked on the twin chamber principle with (heavens forbid) radium as an ionisation source. Being a 80 to 100 a day man in his lab he invented the ionisation smoke detector really as an accident. He later founded Cerberus which became a world leaded in all forms of detection financed by UBS. In 1998 UBS wished to return to a core business model of banking and disposed of their industrial holdings. Cerberus became part of Siemens Building Technologies some two years later.

PS. It is also worth noting that many butane/propane appliances emit a small amount of CO on start-up. So correct siting of the detector is important. Siting it above or too near your cooker will be a cause of false alarms. This is where the digital type that monitor the actual min/max level of CO are useful.

It worth checking what type of roof vents are fitted to any boat that you are going too occupy. Older craft often have the mushroom type vents which are fine but can be closed. Given that CO is very slightly lighter than air, the ventair/ventilite type that provide permanent ventilation are a safer solution. On the premise that prevention is best incoming ventilation is vital. Much is made of heating systems, generators etc. But remember your hob and oven are just as lethal if they are operating starved of oxygen because door louvres and other entrances of fresh air are covered. I have seen on more than one occasion a set of wet weather gear hanging on a door and blocking louvres. Like Siddy I carry a Kidde 7DCO which is always in my grab bag for use on my own boat and when I travel. They are usually less than £20, have a ten year warranty and I change the 3 AA batteries on my birthday each year. Everyone should have one! Remember that BSS is just a moment in time thing and does in no way guarantee a boat is safe. Everyone strips their boat to the basics for the test day! What creeps back in over the next four years is anyone's guess.

One, should of course, never speculate in these matters but it appears to have all the makings of yet another boating CO tragedy. Whatever the cause, tragic.

Good job no hills got in the way then!

I would not think it a Panhard as they were considered a more up market product until killed of by Peugeot Citroen. There name still survives in military vehicles a bit like Allard and Alvis did here.

France has produced over fifty different micro cars, many you could jump in and drive without a licence. Vespa also produced a car called the 400 that was popular in France.

Maybe vertical lift keels are the way forwards!

Yes, hard to believe that the EDP, year after year, mopped up all the awards for a regional newspaper. But then the standards of many of the nationals can leave alot to be desired these days.

Peter, Why do you put yourself through so much anguish? Please, do as I did a number of years ago: Don't buy their poorly researched, inaccurate, badly written rag, keep off their web site and you will be a happier fellow. Furthermore if more did so their demise might be quickened and the whole of East Anglia would be a richer place without Archant.

I remember a boom snapping at St Bennets in 2011. The crew were very lucky as the kevlar sail split and the tail end was thrashing about in a most dangerous fashion.

I use the stall at Mudesley, does really good Skate in season. Crab and lobster from Overstrand. And Davies when in Cromer. Of supermarket counters it is Morrisons superior imho than Waitrose in North Walsham.

But it does really say something about the prestige of the 3RR and the quality of competition that so many A Raters make their annual pilgrimage to Horning, a trail sail of 400 miles for just one great race!

I would wager you would still love a real wild Atlantic Salmon caught on line or netted by a licenced fisherman. You just can not compare it with the farmed stuff. Farmed and wild is not so noticable when smoked but there used to be an old saying around Billingsgate (when it was in Upper Thames Street not the Isle of Dogs) to the effect of: " the best smoked salmon is caught in a Scottish River by an Englishman on fly, but smoked by a Jewish gentleman in the East End" and as an ex trader I agree completely. By the way the wild stuff of the Pacific, Sockeye etc is rubbish alongside North Atlantic.

Tin hats time!

Something so many places have in common Ray. If you serve up a really good piece of fish why add a bucket of chips?

Oops wrong glasses those are punts or sumut else!

But none have that Thames A-Rater panache. I lived near for 22 years Bourne End home of the U.T.S.C. second club to their spiritual home Surbiton. Even with three "heavies" up they are a real handful in anything north of moderate. To see one go out of control is one of lifes unforgetables.

I now use my Sony Z3 PHONE 21mp and waterproof and recently bought a Nikon S33 coolpix. Dedicated video button, waterproof to 33ft shockproof from 5ft. Perfect on the boat or in the field for snaps. I was going to get a bright blue or yellow one about £70 but got it £15 cheaper by taking pink.

Not forgetting the effects you can achieve even with others photos. My appologies Strow.

When I pass in school holidays it is usually about 5.30am or 7.30pm.

If a boat got through Yarmouth !

http://www.northnorfolknews.co.uk/news/i_am_shocked_they_chose_sea_palling_details_emerge_of_remarkable_bid_to_smuggle_migrants_to_a_norfolk_beach_1_4554756