Wussername

If only.

What is the difference between a fret and a haar? Or is it one and the same. What causes it? Warm air full of moisture meeting cold? I have experienced it many times on our coasts and of course the dramatic fall in temperature. Many times I have seen the bank of mist or fog on the horizon and then after perhaps three or four hours of hot sunshine it sweeps to the shore in a matter of minutes. Indeed reaching inland for several miles. Andrew

What about the toilet pump out. We could have the commercial pump out or the private pump out. A private boat arrives for a pump out. That will be £18.00 please. Er! No. I'm private. These are private poops. I have already paid for water and sewage on my domestic tariff. So I am entitled to a free pump out.Already paid for me old mate. Charge it to the local council. According to the Controlled Waste Regulations 2012, there is no such thing as boat waste. It's either household waste or commercial waste. Waste produced at a private boat is clasified as 'household waste', exactly the same as waste produced at a private house Then is it not an appropriate time to challenge the classification or will this saga continue ad infinitum.

Great - you pay the extra costs! Unnecessary ones as it is the councils legal responsibility to clear domestic waste! It is boat waste. Domestic waste comes from domestic property....houses.

So be it if they have been appointed by the Act of 1988. Matters not in the scheme of things. It is not household waste. It is not domestic waste it is boat waste. So why should any extra burden be placed on the private owners? It is not a burden it is a responsibility. Why should I pay for it. The whole drive of the EU Directive behind all this is 'the polluter pays' Yes. I agree with that. Private owners have already paid for their household waste to be dealt with. Household waste. Good for them. So do I. What about their boat waste? Who should pay for that? Andrew

Hi Fred But do they all provide a waste disposal service Andrew

The BA as self proclaimed custodians of the Broads have a degree of responsibility. As I have mentioned before the hire fleet is a shadow of its former self. It is the private sector with over 3000 craft who have to share the burden. Unless of course Waveny District Council would like to send over a dollop to the poor and distressed of Broadland District Council.

We often read of the money tourism brings into an area, so , Yes I do. A contribution to age concern would be good. Please pay me direct. Cut out the middle man. No they don't but the owner of the mooring pays rates, this cost is passed on to the moorer, so the moorer pays. Does the owner pay for waste collection? Andrew

Other visitors to National park family members, tend to stay in B&Bs or caravan parks. Each have bins and those bins are emptied. paid for by the owners of said caravan parks/B&Bs. These costs are covered by the rates as paid by those owners. Boat owners (the vast majority of them) pay mooring fees. Within those mooring fees is the element that covers rates. The number of boats that don't pay mooring fees is insignificant so we shall not head that way B&Bs or caravan parks, hotels, camp sites, holiday camps all produce waste The collection of that waste is as you have correctly stated is paid for by the proprietor. Irrespective as to how the owner pays for this service is to some extent irrelevant. An increase on his business rates or on the number of bins or the cubic capacity of these bins is taken into account and a charge is made accordingly. The owner will budget for this fixed cost or variable cost as the case may be. However you pay to stay at his establishment and the services he provides. Waste disposal is one of the services provided. Indirectly you pay for the disposal of your waste. You will not see it on your bill, but you do pay for it. Boat owners (the vast majority of them) pay mooring fees. Within those mooring fees is the element that covers rates. Do they all provide a waste disposal facility by default, by a legal requirement? Also the vest majority of boat owners also pay rates for their homes, whether they are there or not so domestic rubbish disposal is paid for already. Do you think that it is reasonable that the local parish of a small community should pay for holiday makers rubbish, or private owners rubbish. Of course not. Why should they. Andrew

Surely it is the re-classification of waste wthout any consideration towards the environment and the people who use the Broads. The financial resources of the local councils over the last few years., have come under ever increasing pressure. Our police force, National Health Service. Our road and rail networks have all been effected. Our leisure pursuits have also been financially hit, inparticular boating. The ratio of hire boats to private boats has changed dramatically. You cannot keep giving the donkey another whack.! The private boater has to make a positive contribution towards the waste that they produce. As far as the boating fraternity is concerned there should be no such thing as industrial waste, commercial waste or domestic waste. It is all Boat Waste, and those that produce it should pay for its disposal accordingly and fairly. Andrew. (written under the influence of several Pims in my garden,wishing I was on the river this afternoon) Sent from the Norfolk Broads Network mobile app

I'm afraid it would be a big NO from me! Andrew A waste of time and money.

That old trucker Vaughan might like to join the convoy!

Well said "good buddy". "Ten four" and all that.

They most certainly migrated into Norfolk on that particular day. They did not stay more than a few days. Years ago numbers stayed and became residents, but no longer it would seem. Andrew

Ah, but Scientific Fuller would have been miles away on Rockland.

In February of this year I counted over 150 coot on Malthouse broad on a single day. So putty nose is still about. Andrew

And that is the very part of us. And I hope that this forum will always be recognised as such. Andrew

Be careful. The bounders hospitality at the meet has unfortunately given me gout. Andrew

Thas in case we get invaded they wont no where there a goen.

Dog hairs are a problem. Depends on the breed to some extent. The serious issue for the hire boat operator is a flea infestation discovered on turn round. You have to carry out a deep clean with limited time available. That is when the cost kicks in. Andrew

But not in the foreseeable future. The capital investment required is such that it would be unstastainable Before that becomes an eventuality of the public's awareness of NR2 emmisions, in particular of running diesel engines at a mooring, will become unacceptable and cause concern towards those who persist in carrying out such a practice. I would support them. This is a matter that needs to be addressed by the authorities before unrest prevails. Andrew

Fear not I shall be right behind you. The old army training will soon kick in despite me troubles "down below". Just do not forget to adopt the brace position if I am tasked with parking the boaty jobby.

All good stuff. Now this. Stern that. Port a bit. Starboard that. Hard reverse. Release the bow line. Bow thruster port. Bow thruster starboard. Phone a friend. Ask the audience. Not an option. I firmly believe that an instruction, on a forum such as this can lead to confusion and confidence by all concerned. The most important advice and really need to think about it. You, the helm, tell your crew what you intend to do. They know, you know. Think about it. Discuss and proceed. Take into consideration the tide, the wind, your boat and it's capabilities. No rush, believe me, it will work out OK. Oh, and I nearly forgot. Sometimes it all finishes in a muddle. But take solace in that we have all been there.

Can I come?

I see constructive criticism on this forum from the discussion. I also see a degree of desperation from those who are unable to grasp the concerns of those who are unable to identify any positive outcome from this proposed venture.