MauriceMynah

Strictly between you and me Mark, I think I prefer the method Griff would probably use to deter herons. but don't tell anyone

Sorry, edited to add that the fountain and the waterfall will only be turned on when we are there to see them. Only the low powered filter pump will be on 24/7

Wasn't planning on it Alan, Why?

I have to say that as the pond will be running at least 3 pumps, I'm going for good ones. two will be low lpm and one high. One low one for the filter system, another low one for a small fountain and a more powerful one for the main waterfall.

duel... Duel... DUEL...!!! DAMMIT !!!!! I can't believe I did that

and I take it that if it's coughing, that's the smoke alarm.

Sorry dnks34, I've just read the John Pye auction site and in this case you are correct, it seems VAT is payable on the craft as well as the premium!

Keith, I don't want to de-rail this thread ( yet ) but in fairness I feel that what you describe is how you have interpreted the byelaws. I have interpreted them differently. I have interpreted them as being mutually exclusive. Now we could argue all night as to who is right here, but had they been written properly, there would be no confusion. Lets face it there was a long drawn out argument elswhere as to how long a boat could remain at a 24 hour mooring if that boat was disabled, and indeed what constituted 'disabled' purely because the byelaws didn't make the matter clear. This facilitated 'cherry picking' of the byelaws.. If a byelaw is to be written and adopted, it should first be checked that it is not in itself ambiguoius and that it doesn't contridict, or appear to contridict any other byelaw.

The 20% VAT is on the buyers premium, not the sale price, so if the boat sells at £10,000, there will be £2000 premium + £400 VAT. Price to pay £12,400. I go to a lot of auctions and although 20% is a bit high, it's not way out. Given that they will also be charging a sellers premium, usually at the same rate, that £10,000 boat will make the auction house £4,800. It makes one wonder what they do to earn that money.

With those 'duel' alarms (CO/Smoke) Do they tell you which of those problems have triggered them? Hypothetical case... You are making toast on board, the alarm goes off You do notice the slight smell of burned bread, but not the fact the grill burner is flickering with yellow in the flame. I think you can see where I'm going with this With seperate alarms at least you can see which hazard is going to kill you!

...and that's the problem with byelaws! They're so badly written that nobody knows what is allowed and what is not.

Now there's a novel thought !!!

Well, there didn't seem to be any metal in there, but plenty of agregate (if that's what pebbles in cement is called) and a bloody hartd job this has been too. I purchased a dry cutter and it hardly touched the job, so I used the woodworm approach drilling lots of little holes in a circle then used the cutter. Two holes have taken me the best part of the day to do (less the break to watch the Grand Prix. The 'exit wound' isn't very tidy but it will rarely be seen. Barrels installed, pipework assembled and system is now under test. Thanks again to all for the assistance. Job Jobbed!

Oh you really MUST visit the White Horse Neatishead.

I covered that with ... However, I do not necessarily believe I am legally responsible for the actions of guests I have on board my boat. I may well have a 'duty of care' but as I stated earlier, that's different.

Or even Inn site.

dnks34, Please don't overreact to this issue, the incident was very VERY rare. It appears that the rib was going too fast, in the dark and beyond the helmsmans limits of vision. As has been said here and on other threads this isn't the place to discuss the faults of those involved but I cant imagine much in the way of argument of the above... misjudgements and.mistakes were made, nuff said! If some chose to show anchor lights then fair enough, if others choose not to,FOR WHATEVER REASON, that is their choice. It is everybody's (the general publics) responsibility to ensure their own safety (and that of those in their charge) It is NOT their responsibility to ensure the safety of other people, especially if those other people are breaking the rules. Now! before people jump down my throat on that one, this is a general rule of thumb, there are of course many exceptions. Further, whilst it may not be a persons responsibility, they may feel a 'duty of care' but that is different. Water is dangerous stuff, boating on it increases the danger. Do your own risk assessment and act accordingly, but do it for yourself not for those around you. People will always do stupid things, we all do from time to time. the more we do them the more likely we are to get hurt. That's life.

I shall go to my local wholesaler on Tuesday.

Sorry Vaughan, I didn't make it clear what I meant. Yes with the damage to both the boats and injuries to the people, speed is almost certainly the overriding factor lack of visibility a close second, what I was trying to say that it was not material to the subject of whether displaying an anchor light should be law. As with so many other things I believe it should not. (even though I was ... no am... thinking of doing so.)

Vaughan, the speed limit is largely immaterial in this case, We accept that it was being broken but as we all know, that will ALWAYS happen. We are thinking of ideas to minimize the effects of such actions and assist others.

In these days of virtually zero amps usage perhaps some LED lights fitted that come on whenever the engine isn't running. to turn them off, simples, you run your engine.

Don't worry about people ignoring you, you'll get used to it... I did

Interesting Chris, I'd been formulating some such reply on the other thread but gave up as the complications I kept thinking up outweighed any probability/desirability of it being used. here are but two... 1. If the speedboat (I'll call it that just for the sake of giving it a name!) sees two such lights, might the skipper then assume the space between them is clear and not allow for a third craft between them not showing any light? 2. Where would you put such a light so it can... a, be seen from any angle... and b, not increase the airdraught in normal cruising? Incidents like this are mercifully rare, but perhaps having them happen albeit rarely, acts as a caution for the rest of us.

This isn't a "Hirer v owner" post but I just thought I'd mention this. One of the delights of boat ownership over hiring is that ones attitude to moorings and cruising changes radically. When we used to hire it would be "Where shall we moor for lunch and then where shall we lie tonight? I tended to iam for ends of navigations for nights and half way to them for lunch, so from Coltishall I'd aim for say Horning for lunch and Sutton for the night. from there I'd try for Ranworth for lunch and Womack for the next night. This way I'd get a load of cruising in. Now I own my boat, I tend to go from where I lay last night to where I will lie tonight irrespective of the distance, so I may well be moored up by 15:00. Ownership tends to take the steam out of any itinary, it slows you down. I'm sure Alan (Ranworth Breeze) will say if this seems to hold true for syndicate boating, I just don't know. THe relevence of this post to the OP is that if you get to a mooring at about 15:00, even the most popular spots tend to have spaces. Perhaps the more 'active' boaters might do well just to start cruising earlier (say before breakfast) stop mid morning for a full english and make for their evening target mid afternoon. Just a suggestion!

I have built a wall to retain earth (A rock garden) which will now have a fish pond at it's foot. There needs to be a number of holes in that wall to accommodate the pipework and electrics for a waterfall, a fountain and a unique filtration system. This wall was built with two slotted concrete fence posts and 3 12 inch gravel boards one on top of another. It is the third gravel board that needs the holes. I intentionally didn't say what I was doing and why I needed the holes because that might have lead people into suggesting other ways to route the pipework. This I wanted to avoid as I know what I need to end up with but I didn't know what tools or how to use them to acheive this. I guessed that a core saw or whatever it's called would be the answer, but would it have to be water cooled? If so, isn't using a 240 volt drill to drill through a flow of water a tad tricky? My thanks to Grendel for the youtube clip showing me how to use the tool.