MrPlant Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 As in title.What is the trade name of the material boat yards use to cover interior walls in wood / tile effect? plywood walls not fiberglassAnd where would one source this from? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JawsOrca Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 If it's for a loo.. try this: http://www.hawkehouse.co.uk/linings/unfoamed-headlining/b303-mural-mousse.html Lovely stuff.. it's what's in Orca's loo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dnks34 Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 Is it not a type of formica? If so its all over ebay! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZimbiIV Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 Try magnum motorhomes.co.uk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JawsOrca Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 This maybe too, for cabin bulkheads: http://www.robbins.co.uk/pdf/Marine_Pricelist.pdfPage 8.. but it's not cheap.. (I.e Retail for one panel is about £150).. This is what Broom use apparently. (We just used veenered boards on Orca).Clive may have a local idea though. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liberty Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 Try Pete at Amari Plastics in Norwich 01603 787 777. I think it's called multi wall, and comes in tile/marble effect etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oddfellow Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 The material you are talking about is Laminate. It is made by a variety of companies including the one that most people will have heard of, Formica. It is not easy stuff to work with, especially if you are working on an existing vertical surface in a boat. It is very brittle when it is unbonded and broken edges can be razor sharp. You need a fair amount of space to work with it too.Try Ipswich Plastics.Recommended tools for working with it:sheet metal shears for cutting (won't deform and chip the laminate)Router with a guided bit (for final trimming after fitting and curing)~Sharp stanley knife and straight rule (more spare blades than you can shake a stick at)Hand laminate trimmerContact adhesiveroller (for applying even pressure) - a printer's roller of solid rubber is great.Chinagraph pencils for marking your cut lines There are some very good videos on YouTube for applying this. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrPlant Posted August 31, 2015 Author Share Posted August 31, 2015 The material you are talking about is Laminate. It is made by a variety of companies including the one that most people will have heard of, Formica. It is not easy stuff to work with, especially if you are working on an existing vertical surface in a boat. It is very brittle when it is unbonded and broken edges can be razor sharp. You need a fair amount of space to work with it too.Try Ipswich Plastics.Recommended tools for working with it:sheet metal shears for cutting (won't deform and chip the laminate)Router with a guided bit (for final trimming after fitting and curing)~Sharp stanley knife and straight rule (more spare blades than you can shake a stick at)Hand laminate trimmerContact adhesiveroller (for applying even pressure) - a printer's roller of solid rubber is great.Chinagraph pencils for marking your cut lines There are some very good videos on YouTube for applying this. So it is formica, I thought you guys would be using something different, but thanks for the info What are your thoughts/experiences on these flexible veneer sheets, never seen them before... Page 9 http://www.robbins.co.uk/pdf/Marine_Pricelist.pdf (thanks for the link alan) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dnks34 Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 Smaller quantities available herehttp://www.slhardwoods.co.uk/products/timber-products/flexi-veneer-pre-glued/flexi-veneer-pre-glued-2500-x-300mmI have been considering using some in our aft cabin myself, yacht varnished it should look pretty good.Nowhere near as hard wearing as Formica, thats why the Hire Yards use it. For wet areas its definately the right stuff for the job (formica) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sos247 Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 Another good company (locally) is Dunhams. They cover ply in laminates etc, like formica plus they are the ones who originally started suppling Holly & Teak flooring for the local yards....in fact Barnes Brinkcraft were the first to use it, we got some from them, another yard saw it on our day boats, we told them where to get it and after a few years everyone was using it ! Amazingly its still fashionable however there are so many different coverings now.When i owned LBBY we produced some of our own however an 8 x 4 press is ideally needed but its all down to quantity....Dunhams are only in Neatishead.Regards 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JawsOrca Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 So it is formica, I thought you guys would be using something different, but thanks for the info What are your thoughts/experiences on these flexible veneer sheets, never seen them before... Page 9 http://www.robbins.co.uk/pdf/Marine_Pricelist.pdf (thanks for the link alan)I understand from Robbins that trying to glue a veneer on yourself is almost impossible (You will get bubbles).. and it's best to put it on marine grade ply (or at lest BS graded marine ply). We was told as Jason (SOS247) mentioned they use a full size press.. Which is why it gets expensive. On Orca we used "Veenered Decorative Ply" Page 9 in the booklet (page 11 on the pdf) (Mainly due to cost and to reduce the weight).. sadly though it's really not marine grade but we clear epoxied the back and edges and then think coat of varnish on the front (Still looks good). Nice to learn of the local companies on this thread. I struggled so source these so will certainly try the local companies next time (oh god did I just say next time...!). 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sos247 Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 Some major local boatbuilders have had issues regarding glues etc and as you say the air bubbles can be a problem! Even if they are tiny! Some builders are now using a simple PVA glue instead of the fast contact adhesives.... They mainly press large quantities plus they vacuum pack.....this removes all the air. The glue has to be applied at the same consistent thickness as this stops small lumps etc and the smallest piece of dust in the glue can be seen afterwards which can spoil a complete board. You can cover with a soft lining like leather cloth, available with & without foam backings regards Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrPlant Posted August 31, 2015 Author Share Posted August 31, 2015 Thanks for all the replies, and thanks for sharing the local knowledge. Formica it is then!What would you say is the best adhesive for formica?and do you / local yards remove old formica from existing interior walls and surfaces? or just put straight on top of the old? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dnks34 Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 Id say contact adhesive over the old stuff but someone who knows what they are talking about will be along shortly !!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonRascal Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 (edited) When I was looking online about veneers and what woods could provide a good substrate to veneer on to, I found out about Medite - this is MDF but it is resistant to moisture and can be used outside to build things with from sheds, shop fronts and even marine interiors (as long as the part is not under stress load bearing).It is by its very nature cheaper to produce than plywood and while will cause a great deal of dust to cut it would be ideal compared for bulkheads, around berth bases, works tops etc and because of its dense structure would be an idea material to veneer on to.Of course people cast doubts on this stuff- after all anyone who has seen MDF get wet knows how it swells and buckles and would never ever consider using it in a boat, yet when you see such being discussed and someone is asking for examples of where Medite failed it seems the internet is silent or another way of looking at matters, if something lasted 20 years then fell apart many boat owners will not be boating in 20 years to worry about what the interior may be doing after they have sold up.By the way this is not the 'green' exterior grade MDF you might see in Wicks etc, Medite has a brown inner core to prevent moisture wicking through the panel and so will not rot. It would need to be sealed especially all edges prior to use.http://www.medite-europe.com/products/medite-exterior Edited August 31, 2015 by LondonRascal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrPlant Posted August 31, 2015 Author Share Posted August 31, 2015 Id say contact adhesive over the old stuff but someone who knows what they are talking about will be along shortly !!!Thats why we love this forum 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poggymale Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 We used Robins marine timber for our ceiling and it does look really good. We did fury and fine someone local with the same product and drew a blank. Having had a temporary cockpit floor for 6 weeks earlier this year (long story) made of MDF I will say it worked well but I wouldn't use it long term - the rubber matting was also superb! Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liberty Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 If you want a local stockholder of adhesives, 3M, Medite, etc - Amari Plastics Norwich 01603 787 777Various finishes - oak faced/ash faced etc. and various thicknesses. Vested interest declared. Mods please remove if inappropriate. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dnks34 Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 For that blatent plug I think a 15 % discount for all forum members should serve as a punishment 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liberty Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 Mention NBN and the guys & girls will be happy to discuss price. Or PM me..! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrPlant Posted August 31, 2015 Author Share Posted August 31, 2015 Mention NBN and the guys & girls will be happy to discuss price. Or PM me..!Sounds good to me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sos247 Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 It would be good if a local company could have made some finished ' to size' bulk heads, panels & doors etc to suit maybe a regular boat type on the broads i.e. Freemans......?? I.e. Kit form internals.......It would save weeks & weeks of time for people who renovate their boats !!!! Im sure when someone is chugging down the river not doing much, they could get their tape measure out!!! %%%%%!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oddfellow Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 We have used laminates to refresh a private Princess 33 this year. The Burr wood effect laminate in the photos was used to completely refinish the roof lining in the cockpit and some knee-space panels on the helm. We re-finished the heads cabinet too with a new-silvery-grey coloured laminate and also re-applied older peeling laminates around the boat. We have also used laminates in a bare-shell refit of a Siesta 20 (ongoing) and to refresh a small area of the saloon bulkhead on Fine Freedom. Some years ago, we replaced the galley on Tranquil Freedom which involved new laminates on the wall boards and helm seating. The first four photos show the private boat work, five and six are Fine Freedom, seven and eight are the bare shell refit. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JanetAnne Posted September 7, 2015 Share Posted September 7, 2015 'Thixofix' used to be the glue of choice for sticking formica to plywood bulkheads. Its what we are using and is still readily available And just in case you dont have the 8x4 press available... here's our version!Needs must! 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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