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1 hour ago, Tempest said:
Every time I investigated a criminal they invariably researched matters online
Usually from a number of sources, but always the ones which reinforced their views or their target
This included (not an exhaustive list)
Left wing
Right wing
Animal rights
Environmentalists
Paedophiles
Drug dealers
Firearms procurement
Murderers
Terrorists
So a list of links from one source to reinforce the argument of that source, really doesn't sell it for me
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I had to react to your post with the laughing emoticon, I have rarely come across such a convoluted response.
I was asked how we could listen to the voices of the BLM movement not for a list of those that disagree.
If you wish to listen to the independent voices listen and then post sources of repudiation I will look at them, otherwise you should perhaps check what it is that you are criticising with your experience investigating criminals, which for your information I am not despite having researched the internet in a genuine reply to a genuine question from Grendel
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Well this is brilliant, I downloaded Instagram and now know what that is and how to use it (5 minutes tops) I started with an American lady explaining what White Privilege means to people in the BLM movement, not what you may think!
It's a start and I was already sympathetic to their cause!
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Good point, here are some resources available without bricks. I don't claim to have looked at them but it only took 5 minutes to find this list. Some are on platforms I don't have but there should be plenty to get a flavour of the problem.
Black Lives Matter Resources
Following the tragic news surrounding the murder of George Floyd by Minneapolis police officers, many people are asking themselves, ‘what can I do, what can I say, what action can I take?’ to eradicate systematic racism and fight for justice.
Following the tragic news surrounding the murder of George Floyd by Minneapolis police officers, many people are asking themselves, ‘what can I do, what can I say, what action can I take?’ to eradicate systematic racism and fight for justice.
Overt and covert racism isn’t just an American problem. It’s a worldwide injustice. We are all accountable for the energy and actions that cause harm to BIPOC. We must ask more of ourselves and our friends and interrogate tough truths; to lean into the discomfort and denial and seek to understand our privilege as white people and what that power and protection has afforded us.
It’s never too late to cultivate change, empathy and education. To be better and do better. If you’re wondering where to start with your learning, or how to dismantle institutional racism in your own life and immediate circles – because, yes, it exists – we’ve rounded up some insightful resources to help you begin this life-long work.
It’s not up to our black friends to do the work, they are exhausted enough and still, we dare to ask more of them; to carry more weight for us. Enough.
The obligation to challenge the ways white supremacy resides within you is no one else’s job but your own. We all have to put in the work to undo the silence. Start now – speak up, be an active ally and, if nothing else, make it a priority to listen and learn.
Now more than ever, we need to use our voices to verbalise a narrative that doesn’t belong to us but that was systematically created by us, and to keep the volume up until black people and POC can breathe.
Below is by no means a comprehensive list, and we will look to constantly update it. If you think we are missing something important, drop it in the comments.
Accounts you can follow
Nova Reid – @Novareidoffical on Instagram Nova runs in depth and comprehensive anti racism courses. For anyone in a financial position to do so the knowledge you gain about becoming a better ally to POC is invaluable.
Munroe Bergdorf – @Munroebergdorf on Instagram
Donté Colley – @Dontecolley on Instagram
Stephanie Yeboah – @StephanieYeboah on Instagram – be sure to check out Stephanie’s IGTV ‘I’m tired of the white tears’ Her blog, her book, and her Patreon here. Steph has also hosted a Tuesday Takeover on Zoella, you can watch it here.
Chrissy Rutherford – @Chrissyford on Instagram. Chrissy uploaded a very helpful IGTV titles “It’s not enough to just say “I’m not racist”
Nicole Ocran – @Nicoleocran on Instagram. Nicole’s BLM highlight is really insightful and points out the emotional labour that POC go through when white people continually ask for help/directions/resources.
Jameela Jamil – @JameelaJamilOfficial on Instagram
Florence Given – @Florencegiven on Instagram
Rachel Elizabeth Cargle – @Rachel.cargle on Instagram.
Layla F. Saad – @Laylafsaad on Instagram Layla is the author of Me and White Supremacy.
Dom Roberts – @Domrobxtrts on Insgagram.
The Grief Case – @Thegriefcase on Instagram. Specifically, take a look at this post about supporting black communities.
The Conscious Kid – @theconsciouskid on Instagram. If you are a parent take a look at this post discussing the idea that children may be ‘too young’ to learn about race issues and how racism can be reinforced by the silence of white care givers.
Mireille C Harper – @Mireillecharper on Instagram. Be sure to read her post on education and advice regarding non-optical-allyship.
Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez – @AOC on Instagram congresswoman for NY has been sharing helpful information for those protesting.
Janaya Future Khan – @Janayathefuture on Instagram. Janaya has uploaded a live-stream to her IGTV aimed at white people only, to teach and educate, for people wanting to know what else they can do to help.
Gal-Dem Magazine – @galdemzine on Instagram.
From Privilege to Progress – @Privtoprog on Instagram.
Yazzie – @Standforhumanity on Instagram. Yazzie has also hosted a Tuesday Takeover on Zoella, you can watch it here.
Black Lives Matter – @Blklivesmatter on Instagram.
Books you can read
Why I’m No Longer Talking To White People About Race by Reni Eddo-Lodge. Reni is also asking people who buy her book to purchase from small independent sellers or better yet borrow from a friend and spend the money on donating.
Me and White Supremacy: How to Recognise Your Privilege, Combat Racism and Change the World by Layla F. Saad.
White Fragility by Robin DiAngelo. Find Robin’s other literature, podcasts, articles and more here.
I Am Not Your Baby Mother by Candice Braithwaite
So You Want To Talk About Race by Ijeoma Oluo
Girl, Woman, Other by Bernardine Evaristo
Race Matters by Cornel West
I’m Still Here: Black Dignity in a world made for whiteness by Austin Channing Brown
Shows, Documentaries and Ted Talks you can watch
When They See Us – Netflix – “Five teens from Harlem become trapped in a nightmare when they’re falsely accused of a brutal attack in Central Park. Based on the true story”
I Am Not Your ***** – Documentary Amazon – “The memoir recounts the lives of James Baldwin’s close friends and civil rights leaders Malcolm X, Martin Luther King Jr., and Medgar Evers.”
Dear White People – Netflix
The Hate U Give -Hulu
What happens when I try to talk race with white people – YouTube – Insightful short video ft Renni Eddo-Lodge (author of Why I’m No Longer Talking To White People About Race) that really succinctly sums up the issues at play when discussing racism with white people. Easy and accessible language amongst maybe some of the more academic content online.
White People, Enough: A Look at Power and Control | Jaelyn Coates | TEDxCSU
Let’s get to the root of racial injustice | Megan Ming Francis | TEDxRainier
Not all Superheros wear capes-how you have the power to change the world | Nova Reid | TEDxFrankfurt
Petitions you can sign
List of petitions you can sign from Black Lives Canada – This includes area codes you can use if you are not based in the US
Petition to Defund the police
Colour of Change petition to charge all officers involved with George Floyds murder be charged with murder
Change.org petition for jusitce for George Floyd
Black Lives Matter, two petitions you can sign to help black communities dealing with coronavirus and demanding racial data.
Black Lives Matter petition to defund the police
Places you can donate
Official George Floyd Memorial Fund Go Fund Me Page
List of funds for victims from Black Lives Matter
List of ways you can donate to help protestors
Important places you can donate to including the BLM Fund
Protest Information
Important information and numbers for those protesting in the US
UK Protest Information
What to bring and wear to a protest
Brighton Protest Information
Articles you can read
Why You Need to Stop Saying “All Lives Matter” By Rachel Cargle
10 Habits of Someone Who Doesn’t Know They’re Anti-Black
How to be a white ally by Stephanie Yeboah (Patreon)
100 Ways White People Can Make Life Less Frustrating For People of Color
Podcasts you can listen to
Code: Switch NPR – “Hosted by journalists of color, our podcast tackles the subject of race head-on.” Explores everything from pop culture, to politics, to sport. Race impacts every part of life.
Momentum: A Race Forward – Features movement voices, stories, and strategies for racial justice.
Intersectionality Matters! – Intersectionality Matters! is a podcast hosted by Kimberlé Crenshaw, an American civil rights advocate and a leading scholar of critical race theory.
About Race – Hosted by Reni Eddo-Lodge
Nova Reid and Vicki & Selina from loveprojectlove – A powerful conversation about race, racism and white privilege with Nova Reid
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Or we could actually listen to the genuine protesters about their treatment in this country and where things are wrong put them right. Then rent-a-mob will not have a protest to hijack!
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The statue to one Maurice Minor was well deserved because despite his foolhardy use of fossil fuel he didn't personally kill people for personal gain... Bless that man, he helped save the world! 👍
10 minutes ago, CambridgeCabby said:current BLM movement wishing to destroy historic monuments would be better off spending their time picketing the Embassy’s of nations that still allow and in some cases support modern slavery .
There is indeed a lot of criticism of countries that allow or turn a blind eye to slavery, no doubt some of the critics are BLM supporters and vice versa.
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Sadly we are down to one Mum between us now but I can well imagine the difficulty you describe during the years both mums were with us! We probably would have had to stay away from both to avoid big friction, not between us but from the mums to us!
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Really sorry to read this w-album, the plus side is how quickly they are reactingn .to help her but of course it's a worrying time for her and your whole family.
Thoughts and very best wishes to her and you from me and my wife, Gill
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Just now, trambo said:
I agree but to add that we need to understand why society at the time accepted such behaviour or we condemn that society outright.
Yes that's fair, it's important that all details are understood and that just as today any given issue will have a variety of reactions for and against.
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That's one of the odd things about this discussion, it has been slowly turned to rewriting history but there hasn't been any attempt to do so. In it's simplist form this discussion is about pulling down a statue which was erected to honour a local benefactor.... who also happened to be a mass murderer.
No one is asking for history to be rewritten simply that horrendous cruelty and inhumanity (and they did know at the time) is not honoured and celebrated.
Put these statues in museums with factual notice boards, take school trips and teach "all" the details of history!
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19 minutes ago, JennyMorgan said:
Politics and religion are taboo topics, generally best avoided in public discussion. Perhaps to that we should add racism.
No, politics and religion are subject to opinion, racism is always wrong!
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14 minutes ago, Vaughan said:
Which doesn't explain to me why rent - a - mob also defaced the statue of Abraham Lincoln.
12 minutes ago, MauriceMynah said:Or the Cenotaph
Nor to me, but rent a mob don't know either, they just want to fight the establishment, I was more addressing what the genuine protesters feel.
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It's a wide reaching subject and differs I think case by case. Guy Gibson's dog, no problem at all. Branding people with the company name and selling them into slavery? Not so much.
Knowing about society and it's outlook at the time of these things is helpful in historical context, but you really have to go deeper to get the whole picture. People were fighting slavery and calling for it's abolishion then too. It wasn't a subject universally accepted, there was knowledge that it was wrong and the people perpetrating brutality were the more educated and wealthy.
Making big money has always been able to buy conscience!
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I don't think it's possible to say respect too often, it may begin to be adopted one day if repeated enough!
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Pretty much agree with you again MM, I suspect though that the "demonstrators sun bathers band park users" etc dont realise they are exercising an acceptable level of death toll, they simply feel entitled to do as they wish, they also blame government for everything and anything as a matter of course because it absolves them from personal responsibility.... for anything!
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A whole new meaning to dieing for a pint
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40 minutes ago, Vaughan said:
I assume we have heard of the phrase "all shipshape and Bristol fashion"? It comes from the slave trade, funnily enough.
I haven't read this but I hear that another Guardian journalist, one Afua Hirsh, has also been giving her opinion. She it was, who suggested a while ago that the statue of Nelson should be torn down from his column as it "glorifies a white supremacist".
Rather significant that this rabble in London at the weekend also defaced the statues of Abraham Lincoln and Churchill, during their violent protest about racism. Churchill, who led the country through six years of world war to defeat what is arguably the worst regime of racial genocide in world history.
A funny thing to do to his statue on the anniversary of D Day, of all days.
This is what I meant earlier by blind, irrational and innate hatred.
I join you in condemning the vandalism and lack of respect. In any event the statue in Bristol should have been removed to a museum long ago but never torn down.
I mentioned elsewhere that nothing is ever simply black or white, Churchill remains one of the greatest of Englishmen for his leadership in WW2, I personally admire him for what he did and how he did it. But it is an easily researched and documented fact that he was a racist. In the same way that you can't rewrite history the bad has to stand along side the good.
This does not mean I condone the vandalism... but I do understand it!
Do read the article, it is good even if you don't agree with it.
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4 minutes ago, floydraser said:
I wonder if any of the wealth from the slave trade funded medical research?
Even if it did, it wasn't worth it!
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"The toppling of Edward Colston's statue is not an attack on history. It is history"
David Olusoga
This historian writes his view in the Guardian today. It can be said with some accuracy that where it is published lends a certain leaning in the political sense. However he is an historian and it is an interesting read even baring in mind it's provenance..
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Happy Birthday, save up all those missed hugs and collect as soon as possible 🎂
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5 hours ago, Paul said:
I would rather be able to loose tear gas than be forced in to a position where deadly force becomes the only way to protect that officer.
I can't argue with that Paul, in fact I can't really disagree with anything you say in your post. I tend to view violence as a failure but I'm not a complete pacifist and have to acknowledge that when all else fails violence has to be confronted by force. The threat of quelling rioters by force alone won't work, everyone has to know for a fact that it will be used if need be.
Sad old world at times.
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I agree with the thrust of what you say Paul but not the water cannon, tear gas and armed military units. Escalation is a terrible thing, we don't want rent-a-mob turning up armed in response!
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You're correct, it is now the shop.
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They do fabulous cakes and home made sweets. The pub makes them and sells them in the bar when open as well. Very nice people, extremely dog friendly and usually a good chance of mooring. We always head there for a pub lunch preferring quiet spots for overnighting
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5 minutes ago, Turnoar said:
Not the horses, the ones who see fit to throw missiles, maybe there isn't a word for them.
Quite agree, thought you meant all the protesters!
Every time there is any kind of protest it starts peaceful with the genuine people and then sooner or later rent-a-mob arrive who only want to attack the police. They ruin everything!
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Racism And The Colston Statue
in The Broadscot Lounge
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and yet when a list of individual voices is given it is called into disrepute!