MauriceMynah

Put the gas cylinder next to the wood burner and you'll have a lovely clear boom.

But Bobdog, I've just been told that if a saily has got its engine running, but is not using it for propulsion, it is still a saily! This needs to be checked!

Well first of all I'd like to thank everyone for their input. As a newbie to boating (I've only been doing it for 50 years) I've learned quit a lot from this thread already. I was for example, largely unaware of the "wind lift" phenomenon. It had been mentioned to me before but I hadn't understood it. On the lack of courtesy and/or common sense, that is to be found in all camps in equal measure and I have no doubt that we have each suffered the consequences at some time or other. I can see that jibing is an issue when sailing but ask is it also an issue when motor sailing? I also see that a sailing craft under sail but with a small axillary outboard running isn't much more maneuverable than when the engine isn't running, this needs to be allowed for (courtesy AND common sense) but if I have to alter my speed and course to accommodate him, is he not being discourteous to me? If a sailing craft is under sail, but has an engine ticking over in neutral in readiness, is he sailing or motoring and how can I tell the difference? So many questions... yet I have more!!! I ask them, not to establish a "right of way" to which I can blindly stick, but to clarify some situations that could possibly lead to unfortunate verbal exchanges and gesticulations.

I desperately hope that this thread manages to stay well away from the "Them v us" attitude. Instead I'm hoping my sailing friends will start to tell me what they are wanting people to do under what circumstances. It is my suspicion that many sailies think "Well it's obvious what I expect him to do" but sadly that's the problem, I don't think some things are obvious. They might be if I sat and thought things through, but that doesn't happen when you're at the helm. That's why I called this thread "a matter of perspective" I'm after getting information across and back!

I used to enjoy Floyd on cooking. (How's that for linking)

Let us take it that neither skipper is giving any indication to the other. For my own part, in those circumstances I try to pass port to port wondering why the sailie is making it difficult for me. I want to hear his side of the story.

In my opinion (and only my opinion) School uniform achieves two things. Firstly it gives an identity to a group of individuals for those individuals. uniform isn't necessarily about regimentation, but it IS about 'belonging'. Secondly (assuming the school has got it right) it is the financial leveler. It conceals the wealth or lack of it to the outsider. The wearers can leave school at the end of the working day looking as equals. Just my opinion for which those of you who are wrong are welcome to disagree.

I like the idea of a pub called "The Duck 'n' Fish" in fact I think there already is one. I'm sure I've overheard anglers talking about it.

I quite shamelessly hoover this topic or at least the gist of it, from "another place" as I think it important that it be aired where ever possible especially where people new to boating may be found. What should a cruiser skipper do when approaching a sailing craft... and... What should a sailie skipper do when seeing a cruiser approaching... also... What should a cruiser skipper do if the sailing craft skipper appears not to be doing that which the cruiser skipper thinks he should be doing... and also... What should a sailie skipper do if the cruiser skipper appears not to be doing that which the sailie skipper thinks he should be doing. My objective here is to scupper the "them v us" feelings and get a meaningful dialog going. So, let me start the ball rolling using a situation that happens to me so often as to make me wonder who is in the wrong. In this situation we shall say the river is relatively straight and wide. the breeze is generally gentle but constant and blowing straight towards me. Also heading straight towards me is a sailing boat "gull winging" (that is to say running with the wind, boom out to his port side, foresail out to his starboard) He is on 'my side' of the river. there is room for me to pass port to port, but it's perhaps tighter than I would like. There is a mass of room if I were to pass him on the 'wrong side'. FROM MY PERSPECTIVE... If I squeeze between the end of his boom and the bank (thus passing port to port) I shall be technically in the right as he has no business being on my side of the river. If I try to pass starboard to starboard, and he changes his course. I am in deep poo. My guess at his thoughts is... Why is this pratt trying to pass this side when even the Torrey Canyon could pass the other side without hitting anything. Right, This is the first situation I put to you all. I would like to know all the opinions, and other situations that can be described, but please remember to keep it polite and constructive.

Choose your recipe with care Frank. My sister makes a loaf that, granted I prefer fresh but cold, rarely lasts more than a day or two. Full of nuts and seeds, I feel it doing me good while I'm over indulging.

Is it my imagination or are Clive's boats getting bigger?

I Can't remember who said.... For happiness you need to want what you have, not have what you want. A deep and meaningful remark, and therefore of course, complete gentlemen's spheres.

If I were to refer to this thread as "A Boating holiday around the end of December" I think I might just get away with it Well, I can't do it this year, nor, I suspect, next... but a boating holiday around the end of December in 2016 may well be on the cards. Hey... A Forum Chr....End of year party might be fun!

I have a little hankering (but enough about my problems!) but need some info. What are members best guesses for the following... How much would it cost to have my boat (27' Elysian Bounty) craned out, put on a low loader and transported to the mouth of the Shannon? How long would it take to "do the Shannon" at a relatively gentle pace? Would the return transport back to Norfolk cost the same? My idea was... Take Nyx to the Shannon, explore it to the other end, Lend Nyx to somebody else to get her back to the Shannon's mouth and bring her home. It's very early days, and I was only wondering at this stage!

Ahh the smell of freshly baked apothecary!

No 10B, it is for ME to apologize, I'm a bit slow on the uptake just now.

Hmmm, That's a bit unfair! If they want the views of a certain age group it could be for any one of a great number of reasons. The leap from only wanting the 18-54 opinions to "all others will be got rid of" is illogical in the extreme! Perhaps the younger ones might be being prepared for age related toll rates with over 54s being exempt!

I went across Breydon in the fog once. It's very disorientating when you lose sight of one post long before the next is ready to loom out at you.

Quote "There will be a lot of boats for sale when the age limit is 54 to navigate the system," Can somebody please enlighten me here, I have no idea what this is all about!

Robin, I don't know who has the problem here, you, me or Frank. He doesn't take you seriously, but he does me!!! Be afraid, be very afraid!!!!!!!

I think you will find the Pleasure Boat Inn (Hickling Broad) is fishing very well at the moment. Lots of different beers and good food. Set the rod up using a small lump of clay as bait. No hook, just wrap the clay on a small knot in the line. Put the rod in a rod rest, and allow the clay to touch bottom right under the rod tip. Wind up to about 3 inches from the surface and set the rod tip to about 5 inches above the water's surface so all in all only about 8 inches of line from rod tip to bait. Go into bar and enjoy a beer or six. That's the way to do it!

What's the boat? Where's it moored? Pics please! Oh and a warm welcome from me too

I've just re-read Robins original post and to be honest the idea was fairly sound as long as other things became involved. It was NOT suggesting a riverside supermarket but a riverside general store for the essentials, plus fuel and water. Yes this is a seasonal business but there are other seasonal businesses it could engage in as well. Fireworks, (I like the idea of a petrol depot doing fireworks too) Christmas things, Coal and Easter bunnies. Whatever it takes to turn a profit outside the main season. Where it does fall down is that the basis of the idea already exists yet doesn't happen. If Jason will forgive me I shall use Ludham Bridge as an example. Here we have a pretty central position on the northern rivers. It has a shop, water, pumpout and full highly recommended boatyard facilities. It sells neither diesel nor petrol. Why might this be? In my far from humble opinion, it would have to be the costs involved in installing the required facilities to the standard required by the relevant authorities. Jason can't just have a stack of petrol filled jerry cans tucked round the back, for a kick off, Griff would have to give up smoking whenever Jason held a party! It aint goin' to happen!!! No, the costs of providing this service must be prohibitive, otherwise Jason would be providing it, as would one or two others!

Maurice When I stayed at the Gunfield Hotel, it was run by a chap called John Brown, a terrific character who had a great sense of humour. He always said he had the second best view of Dartmouth, looking up the river at the naval collage. He added that the best view in Dartmouth was to be had from that collage, looking down river at the Gunfield Hotel! That was in 92, but I went back a few years later and he'd moved away. John (aka Maurice Mynah!)

Ahhh Dartmouth! I stayed there many times and it ranks as one of my favourite places. I stayed at the Gunfield hotel once, a great place