Thefts From Loddon

[Cheesey69]

Hi, just heard on the radio (greatest hits) that anchors and Batteries were stolen from boats moored in Hadley dyke wherever that is. 
Anyone got any more information?

ps forgive dodgy place spelling 

[YnysMon]

Is it Hardley Dyke maybe? Downstream from Hardley Mill on the next bend?

[Cheesey69]

Yes that’s the one. Is it near the 24hour mooring?

[Smoggy]

Hardley dyke is a fair way along the river from the 24hour moorings, they are Hardley cross at the mouth of the chet.

Hardley dyke can be accessed by vehicle (3 blokes in a white transit, you know the type) where Hardley Cross can't. 

[YnysMon]

Hardley Dyke is about mid way between Hardley Cross BA moorings and the Hardley Mill pontoon and, as Smoggy confirms, it can be accessed by vehicle down a quiet out-of-the-way farm track. 

[oldgregg]

Indeed. Unfortunately I don't think it's the first time it has been targetted.

It's a popular spot and the moorings are very good value (with a really long waiting list) but unfortunately there is not much in the way of facilities or security and it is fairly isolated.

[BigJake]

Just been reading about this earlier.

 

https://www.norfolk.police.uk/news/latest-news/warning-after-spate-thefts-boats-loddon

[Wonderwall]

3 men in a white transit 🤔.

There is a certain section of our society who sadly don't contribute anything to the well being of our nation. 

If only we could tell who they were 🤔. It's such a mystery 😐.

 

I was in Singapore last year . There are signs about telling you anyone caught stealing will get 5 years  ( in a not very nice establishment)

Strangely enough , There is very little crime in the country . 

Weird eh ? 🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄

[RealWindmill]

Quite ironic that the Ranger's boat moors halfway down Hardley Dyke, but i suppose once he's tied up for the night and gone the place becomes very isolated as mentioned above.

 

Hardley Dyke reminds me of my very first broads boat in the late 1970's. It was a wooden kit boat 20ft with o/b that i bought from a farmer near Stowmarket,. He put it in at Hardley mooring which was owned by a farmer friend of his - the annual mooring fee was a bottle of whisky to the Hardley farmer at Christmas . How times change.

[LondonRascal]

On 02/06/2023 at 09:35, Wonderwall said:

I was in Singapore last year . There are signs about telling you anyone caught stealing will get 5 years  ( in a not very nice establishment)

Strangely enough , There is very little crime in the country . 

Weird eh ? 🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄

Punishment has nothing to do with crime reduction, take America, which has some truly incredible jail terms of many years, that for crimes over here you'd get 12 months for and be released on licence half way through.  America has one of the worlds highest prison populations, and crime is as rife as ever.  What Asia has is a culture of respect for others and pride - not to forget the sheer shame it would cause a person and their family for being arrested. Our problem is complex and I believe begins with lack of eduction and respect for others, then spirals from there.

[RealWindmill]

Punishment as such may have little to do with crime reduction as shown by longer sentences in the US but the threat of punishment does. Americas high numbers of prisoners and crime rates still high are surely due to the size of population involved.

In America and Far Eastern examples the response of police forces to minor crimes is generally far more severe than is meted out by our police. Some might even say more brutal and police-state like than our bobbies dish out. There have been many examples of heavy handed policing from these countries over the years, you might even add some European countries to the list.

In the case of Hardley Dyke and similar examples in our country the perpetrators can feel fairly secure in the knowledge that even if caught red handed they will be treated gently by the law enforcers, certainly not summinarily beaten up, choked , shot or whatever at the scene.

I am not advocating we become a police state. Far from it. We pride ourselves as a nation on our police and policing methods, but perhaps therein lies the root of the whole problem.

People will always commit lower level crimes whether for financial reasons or dislike and lack of respect for authorities BUT only if they know they have a good chance of not getting hurt in the process or of being severly punished later.

As Wonderwall says "strangely enough there is very little crime in the country".

[Wonderwall]

On 05/06/2023 at 17:18, LondonRascal said:

Punishment has nothing to do with crime reduction, take America, which has some truly incredible jail terms of many years, that for crimes over here you'd get 12 months for and be released on licence half way through.  America has one of the worlds highest prison populations, and crime is as rife as ever.  What Asia has is a culture of respect for others and pride - not to forget the sheer shame it would cause a person and their family for being arrested. Our problem is complex and I believe begins with lack of eduction and respect for others, then spirals from there.

I agree , that education and respect are key in changing attitudes and behaviours. But whatever Singapore are doing , and the threat of long sentences doing hard Labour is very real , they are doing it better than this part of world.

America , is a some what strange comparison , as this is a country which allows you to  purchase automatic rifles , but you will struggle to buy steel tipped darts , as they are deemed too dangerous . 😅😅😅😅😅

[Cheesey69]

what is missing is fear of the prison itself.

Borstal young offenders were terrified of the open bullying (see film Scum), Adult prisoners went into General population before being sorted  into category prisons. Your offence was judged by your fellow inmates and yes, the screws would turn a blind eye.

There is more, things like the canteen where, back in the day, you could only spend what you earned, now you get a card that can be charged with cash to spend. So if you got those on the outside with money your on.

Very low paid screws leaves them open for bribes

you can even ware your own clothes, long gone are the days of allocation, making socks last!

I haven't got an answer because the actual punishment is restriction of liberty, not anything else and I grow up with ex-cons that used to tell tales of nightmare beatings and very rough justice that kept the more "weird" crimes in order and it never was a solution but just one aspect. 

[Wonderwall]

My point , a few posts ago , was really driven by a certain type of folk , who tend to run about in transits . I’m aware we’ve got to watch what we say on here, but of course I’m not talking about your average joe who owns a transit type van ( I have owned a few ) . But we all probably know what/whom I mean. 
These people have no fear of the law, they are almost untouchable. My point was, Singapore authorities wouldn’t care who they are, or what card they played, the perpetrators would have felt the full force of the law, and trust me, it is a deterrent, it quite simply works.

My young lad was there for 8 months , he never seen a mugging , a drunken brawl or seen anyone taking or god forbid selling illegal substances. 

I left Singapore convinced , their way was the way forward . The people are happy, hard working and respectful. Nothing comes to mind which isn’t legal there , that isnt here ( in regard to lifestyle choices, socialising etc) . The people certainly are not oppressed.  There really only is one rule, , “follow the rules , and you will be fine 😛” 

Im blethering on a bit here 😆, my point is , as a country we need to learn again , we don’t know it all , we think we do , but that was a long time ago , and we could do with looking at other models in regard to how we deal with crime. 

[CeePee1952]

3 hours ago, Cheesey69 said:

what is missing is fear of the prison itself.

Borstal young offenders were terrified of the open bullying (see film Scum), Adult prisoners went into General population before being sorted  into category prisons. Your offence was judged by your fellow inmates and yes, the screws would turn a blind eye.

There is more, things like the canteen where, back in the day, you could only spend what you earned, now you get a card that can be charged with cash to spend. So if you got those on the outside with money your on.

Very low paid screws leaves them open for bribes

you can even ware your own clothes, long gone are the days of allocation, making socks last!

I haven't got an answer because the actual punishment is restriction of liberty, not anything else and I grow up with ex-cons that used to tell tales of nightmare beatings and very rough justice that kept the more "weird" crimes in order and it never was a solution but just one aspect. 

I worked in a prison for 10 years up until 2020 when I finally retired for the last time. My personal belief is that we have become too soft as far as deterring the criminal minded amongst us. Indeed there was many a time when certain individuals would re-appear in the prison, having been released, only to re-offend and get banged up again! All too often I heard from many prisoners that life inside was far better than they had on the outside. Don't get me wrong, prison staff do the best they can with the resources at their disposal but with the "duty of care" being their primary mandate, it is all too easy for prisoners to work the system to their best advantage.  There are countless compensation claims that are made by prisoners all the time for various reasons which take up a lot of time to investigate and either have them thrown out or end up paying sums of money in some cases. I could go on and on but until the government puts a much harsher deterrent in place (especially for the initial period of time on entering a secure environment), then I fear that our prison population will never decrease. 

Chris