grendel

it would appear that despite all inferences to the contrary, it was you that introduced the distraction of speed on coniston into the topic, all i contributed was the decision against 10 gentlemens yachts on grasmere . yet now you accuse your opponents of bringing this example to the table as our only go to example. oh tut.

except gentlemans yachts on grasmere apparently.

ok so now i have returned from my training in leeds and had a good sleep, its time to progress, one of my wood blocks has been added to a faceplate and is set up ready to start shaping the ships wheel, hey, if this doesnt work, i have realised i could turn it out of a piece of brass if the wood works out to be too tricky

go on, i'll bite and say it if there is no speedboat event, then its not a false comparison - ergo sum cogitus

ah now there is the issue, some drivers consider the round abouts are flyovers (its usually at this point they find they cant fly, though remembering the video of the van, it had a jolly good try.)

it was just the thought that if I was booking a holiday in an area entitled the lake district, only to be told I couldnt book a boating holiday, i would be kind of disappointed. its just the mixed message presented by a NP, though I suppose that we should be used to that already.

with what

I have had a similar incident - two lanes leading off the roundabout , I was turning right so was in the centre lane (outside lane of the exit, when someone in the outer roundabout lane decided they wanted the next exit round and just continued around the roundabout despite two lanes trying to exit at that junction, its easily done if you are not familiar, and you just have to assume that all the other drivers are going to do the worst possible manouver at the worst possible time. its just a case of keeping your awareness on the other traffic and what it is doing.

Actually I was just pointing to it as an example of how other NP's use their powers to prevent things they see as unwanted, plus the irony of a message that says in huge letters at the bottom visit the lake district, on a publication that gives the message 'visit the lake district, but dont expect to be able to stay on a boat while you are here' and the conflict between messages that gives, maybe i should have started a new thread for that, but hey i was tired after a days training then a 6 hour drive home.

a post to consider - the response in another National park to the prospect of 10 recreational cruisers on the lake. https://www.nationaltrust.org.uk/allan-bank-and-grasmere/features/our-response-recreational-boats-grasmere-?fbclid=IwAR1GSZq__Ie13vECVDLKudPD97YmDJ9HnBw3HuNuKabEw0cL2Utpsm1JkFE to those that say it could never happen - take note.

Or indeed a post saying I will be at xyz, pm me for details would probably be acceptable too, as long as whoever was organising it didn't then say to the location it's an NBN meet (or we could prove that it hadn't been openly organised on the forum or Facebook pages, is just an idea put forward by an individual and privately organised) we would I think find that acceptable

No, lads week is organised via an email chain, it doesn't use the name of the NBN for any purpose during its duration, therefore it's not an NBN event, formal or informal. Over 50 percent of the participants are not even forum members.

That was one of the trigger events that highlighted the need to tighten up the paperwork side of things, I believe. Plus most if not all of the actual attendance was organised by the forum private message system, we did have a few casuAl visitors on the day, who had a scraper or paintbrush thrust into their hands. Each day a group meeting was held before work started, where the issues and risks were gone through, what could be termed a site / task specific risk assessment, is don't work here as someone is working above, etc. The issue would be if anything went wrong and the NBN had been mentioned in association with the event, or by inference because it had been organised on the forum with a sign up thread, organising using th private message system on the forum would be a way around that, as PM's are private and not publicly available.

Having been a bit incommunicado ddue to a training course in Leeds I will give you my take on this. Suppose someone organised an informal gathering here, with a sign up thread, then went to the venue and booked moorings under the auspices of the NBN, is went in and said to the owner, I would like to book 10 berths for an informal NBN meet. Now the meet happens, 7 people turn up and pay their mooring fee to the organiser, who pays the mooring owner. Ah but says the owner, you need to pay for the 10 moorings you booked. Organiser comes back with, but only 7 of us moored there and will only pay for those 7. As the mooring was booked under the auspices of the NBN, and organised on a thread on the forum, we ( the NBN committee) now become liable for those unpaid fees. So when it says organised through or under the auspices of, that means if someone starts a thread for booking moorings here, then uses that to book with the mooring owner, then we have a liability. If on the other hand they say, I will be at a place, anyone want to meet me, then people sort their moorings out themselves, no problem. And remember, that's just the moorings side of it, anything else that uses the name of the forum for booking or paying or just organising, brings a liability to the forum. The team need to be able to control these risks and liabilities. Thus for organised (formal or informal) events that are organised here, or use the forum name in any way, we have to retain control, is we need to know who is doing the work on our behalf, and that they are going to do it in a manner that is responsible and safe. We have risk assessments, we put in place, covering everything we can perceive as a risk, including people falling into the water after drinking a pint too many, maybe tug of war wasn't the best example, but Man overboard is a serious incident, so if we don't have a process in place, via a risk assessment, we could be held liable. Now Tim will probably come along and highlight all the points I have got wrong, but the above is my understanding of the whys and wherefores.

The ones I hire generally are.

Well here are the faceplates, printed with hopefully enough thread to allow them to accurately seat on the lathe.

Ian to be fair, the only two that havent are well known to us (well me anyway)

when I was little we went to Scotland to loch Lomond, all I can really remember was the salt in the porridge.

OK, I have looked for my faceplate, but from memory, it wont help as the wooden part is too small for the fixing points on the faceplate, so plan number 2 goes into effect, I need something to hold the wood part, so I have the solution, I have designed a faceplate in CAD, and 3d Printed it out, unfortunately I dont have the tap that corresponds to the lathe spindle so I will just have to reprint this with the correct thread already set on it, simple - so I will have printed a 50mm dia lathe faceplate fo fix the blocks to to turn the ships wheel parts. so now you can see some of the processes that go into some parts of the model, where a part has to be fabricated to enable another part to be made, next to decide which lathe to set up this part on.

ah yes, it was 2018 that was cancelled, and yes we said that it was because we were unable to get a member of the team to the event, I seem to recall that we had a team member who had been organising everything who dropped out leaving nobody to organise the event, and that there were only a few people signed up to it, who subsequently decided not to attend anyway leaving poor MM on his tod. I know I for one cant get to many more events than the spring one at present, that is because if I do the spring event, the wooden boat show and lads week, that the majority of my annual leave used up for the year. though this may change in future.

that would have been at least 2 years ago as we didnt even plan a southern meet last year

I an not an antques dealer, but I do like buying old stuff and making it useful again, I once bought a mutilated spinning wheel at a boot fair, and removed the lamp that had been fitted to the top, repaired the flyer, made new bobbins and redid the drive band, just to get it back to a useable condition. this weekend just gone I picked up another, fortunately rescuing it before it was mutilated, it was sold to me as 'it would look nice in your living room if you put a lamp on top and made it into a nice floor lamp' , a new drive belt made and it was back to fully functional. I also pick up old tools (wooden planes etc) and clean them up, sharpen them up and put them back to use, some of those old tools hold a far better edge than the modern equivalent and still work nicely given the right treatment.

we even put up with Jays Jokes, now how many places would allow those.

Grendel / Jayne / 1 / Friday Y / saturday Y

There are a lot of specialised forums that wont allow off topic chat at all, so here we have the one area where off topic is allowed, and yes while you can ignore a topic if you wish, think of the poor moderation team that have to wade through every post however trivial, just in case. and here I must thank all the moderator team for the hard work they do keeping the forum the nice friendly welcoming place it is.