marshman

Those Italian jobbies were fitted to many of that type of boat - must have been a bit thirsty!!!

Yes exactly! The incoming salt water comes in under the freshwater so the bottom is running one way, whilst the top another!! Simples really!! (I have always the Shore base tables, adjusted by my brain to account for Broadland idiosyncrasies!)

FF - I think you will find they have rationalised all the areas! In other words broadened the areas they now broadcast about - Look East now covers Norfolk, Suffolk, Cambridgeshire, Northamptonshire, and Essex ( and also repeats items just talked about in the main news!) which means we are getting reporters and news readers from these areas. What interest to someone in Corby is a bomb in GY? Its of little interest these days and I often just turn it off - bit like their weather forecast I am afraid!

The Aweigh app uses a 12 hr period with 6 hrs of ebb and 6 of flood i think - for what its worth, I don't think that is what actually happens in Broadland - neither can you apply the twelfths rule!!

On that well respected news channel Look East, that confirmation of allowing people home, was not given but merely hoped for! Apparently bits were still burning and now they have to go and check, after the fires have died down, that the gas mains are safe - they were unsure when this would be!!

Boys toys or just "Toys, boys!"

Local news now includes Cambridge and Northampton, such is the geography of the BBC's masters!! If it were to detonate and its near the East harbour wall, GY will have a new and pretty large boating lake by the morning!!!!

Going back to anodes - I know, wake up - most would recommend magnesium for the Broads I believe.

Its actually only a very short walk from the station - although trains stopping at Buckenham are limited I suspect!! Despite it being under the care of the Redundant Churches, it is quite dilapidated again to the untrained eye like mine - my chief interest at the time was seemingly discovering perhaps, the connection with the pubs name, as I was unaware of that. If you do get there, I guess you might appreciate the building more than I!!

Interesting really how many churches there are hidden away - only the other day whilst wandering north of the Yare, did I "bump" into the church of St Nicholas, Buckenham. Now in the care of the Redundant Churches Fund, it is interesting not just because of its location tucked away not far from a terrace of about 5 cottages and accessed only by a footpath across a field, but because it is probably one of the best examples of just 5 (in Norfolk) of a church with an octagonal tower - we have lots of round towers but octagonal are few and far between. It was a surprise when I found it tucked away in a little wood ,situated above Buckenham Railway Station. There was a little stand with some very old booklets and they contained another discovery, especially to those who may have wondered, of the origin (probably ) of where the name Beauchamp Arms. I have always thought that a strange name for a pub sat in the middle of nowhere but, others may know this too, I guess it derived its name from a Rector there, between !814 -63, the Revd T. W Beauchamp, who carried out considerable restoration during that time. He clearly had access to funds to do this and it may well have been connected to Buckenham Hall demolished some 60/70 years ago. At best the village seemed tiny, as it still is, but there was a ferry there, so some people must have used it - if I recall hidden in the reeds on the north side of the river, is the remains of the ferry jetty but I guess it was originally a fully fledged ferry able to carry carts etc. Someone somewhere will have a picture of it - I bet Pete Waller knows of one!!! The church is not entirely "barren" but still interesting if you are ever that way, if only for the splendid tower - someone knicked the bell many years ago, unquestionably to melt down, but that was noted for being unusual too, being from pre Reformation times!! The ignominy of it all having lasted so long, only to fall to a tea leaf!!

Perhaps in reality you are looking for something to prevent you actually buying a boat! So what if a window leaked - get it resealed! And that is unlikely to be the only thing in an almost 30 year old boat - you cannot get perfection in a boat! Bit like buying a house - there is always a compromise!!!

I am sorry - we only have ourselves to blame! Who amongst you lot go down the pub for a drink on a regular basis - I would suggest most of you are happy to buy cans or bottles in supermarkets and quaff it in front of Netflix! Although some of you eat in pubs, I guess not often. Same old same old - use it or lose it!!

If its that close to you then Ray, you would probably know a man who could possibly throw some light on the darkness!!

I think I might get a black mark from the Mods......!!!!!!

Vaughan - it has only ever been open one a year. I don't think it is a deliberate policy to exclude people - after all there is only grazing marshes to see and oh, Blackfleet Broad. And FR, it boat being cut in half was done ,allegedly, at Somerton, which is immediately adjacent to the Horsey Road - hardly remote at all. Having said that there are people who "guard" the access to some of the local marshes which they use for reed with a degree of hostility to outsiders - odd lot in that neck of the woods - allegedly! Access to Heigham Holmes though is not especially easy as it across the floating bridge at Martham Ferry, which is now electrically operated - at least they restored that! I don't think the general public have access to the opening/closing mechanism for perhaps obvious reasons - leaving the "bridge" closed effectively closes the navigation and I know you wouldn't want that Incidentally it was been suggested it was home to an SOE airfield during the war - difficult to track down any real evidence about that. You can make your own mind up about that one!

Good to see your learning how its done in Norfolk now you live here, Ian!!!!!!!!!

Seeing as they cannot even predict weather 4/5 days in advance, I think, Andrew, that long range forecasts are next to useless! They might of course be right, but it takes only a fraction of time to look elsewhere and see that different modelling produces an entirely different result!!

Vaughan - you would certainly notice a Norfolk Hawker!! They are pretty rare these days but are, on average, about twice the size of a dainty damselfly!! At rest damselflies fold their wings back along their body whilst dragonflies leave their much larger wings outstretched. A Norfolk Hawker is generally all brown and has a wingspan of around 10cm - however unless you look at one in detail there are other Hawkers it can be confused with. Dainty they are not though!

Seeing as though Griff thinks that what I said in one of my posts is a load of what does roses a lot of good, and he is entitled to do just that, perhaps I could elaborate just what I mean - and by the way I have no wish to stop anyone going up there, its just the mode of transport! And I don't think I am a Nimby either - by all means let people go and see what I have seen so perhaps they could appreciate all the more why that area has become so special to me and why it could be to them if they slowed down a bit to stop, look and above all enjoy, what it has to offer. Probably around ten years ago when I was younger, and when my son had the spare time so I could "borrow" him, we used to regularly hire one of Colin Buttifants boat with the objective of gently exploring that part of the world and my most special of areas, Meadow Dyke. Sailing Meadow Dyke so many times has left a unique and lasting impression of serenity and peace. One day we "moored" by the entrance to Horsey for a couple of hours and it was one of those warm, lazy days with just a gentle breeze from the SW leaving Horsey a virtual millpond and over that period we were privileged, and excited to see amongst other things ,and apart from the normal common old marsh harriers as ever, the following Cranes flying low overhead A Bittern A pair of otters close by Kingfisher(s) Swallowtail butterflies Norfolk Hawkers And a water vole playing nearby Nothing came past to disturb the peace and for me who has seen them all before, I agree nothing special - except that it was crammed into just 90 mins! Thats what has made that area so very very special and a place that people can go and see what a special attraction the Broads became to our forebears over 100 years ago when most of what I saw was the norm. I just don't believe that opening it up further to bigger boats accompanied by more people totally disinterested in the special magic would be a plus - as I said earlier you can still go and see what is to be seen already but use the means already available if you want to savour the uniqueness of the landscape and its inhabitants now only more rarely seen in the rest of the Broads. Well, thats my view!!!! And I know others think differently!!

Cannot be too hard in the general scheme of things, as you say, but I wouldn't mind betting that there would be a lot of objections! From a personal point of view, I think the Upper Thurne is a really special place and such action would totally destroy it - my guess is thankfully it just won't happen and it will remain a refuge of raw natural and original beauty, accessible to those who want to view it, but far from the maddening crowds!!

I am sure the Mayor will find something to tax to raise the money - how about the CO2 we breathe out? Thats not meant to be a political comment but the new ULEZ extension is nothing short of a con, especially when many of the airborne particles have now been proven to come from tyres!!! Sorry - more thread drift!!!!

Thread drift sorry! I remember vaguely sitting on the steps of another pub in Brundall , the White Horse was it? Top of Station Road?

I know exactly why - people no longer go out, let alone eat out!! When did anyone here last go to the cinema - to which the cry will go up "It's all a load of rubbish" - yup but we still went out and watched it!!! One can hardly call it expensive either!!! Covid has a lot to answer for and it continues to change habits and expectations in the pub trade - notice how menus have shrunk??? I was out last night in the city - although the pub was full earlier by around 10 it was nearly empty. Restaurants now open earlier - and close earlier! What is a young chap like me meant to do - blowed if I am staying in but I can hardly waste away my time listening to a band! There are very very few of them left either.

But you are ALL assuming that their customers will be just like you!!!! But they might not be!!! Whilst I take Vaughan's view, we are talking about todays customers, not those of 40 years ago, and tastes and expectations do change. Whilst I know what steak and kidney pud is, a pub today would only have limited sales I suspect. Andrew - do you like your chicken in a basket? Whilst I don't go to 'spoons that often, I would bet that at least half of those eating will be having burgers - you do have to cater for what you believe would sell!!

Jean - I appreciate your views on Warners, but what you cannot do with a Warners hotel is take it out into the middle of Barton of an evening, nudge up to the reeds and drop a mudweight and spend a blissful night to be woken by just the dawn chorus!!!!