Bikertov Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 In general , we have got used to having more space, and more personal space, in our lives We no longer live with large and extended families in the same house as the norm, with limited or outside bathrooms, and consider space a luxury aspire to. This then reflects in our holidays where we want large bedrooms, en-suite bathrooms, and other facilities, even if we don't use them. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldgregg Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 27 minutes ago, dom said: One of my family member's boats has two doubles side-by-side to the aft in just 10ft 6in, including hanging storage between the two. It's 33ft long, will take 4 people in relative comfort and passes under Wroxham and Wayford bridges. Only has a single head, but a pretty luxurious seperate shower compartment. It's a 40 year old boat, but in my eyes far more suited to the broads than the current generation of boats and it'd be really interesting to see a modern take on the design. I'm intrigued now.... What is the boat? I was thinking AF Ruby 33 but the 10'6 beam rules that out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dom Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 5 minutes ago, oldgregg said: I was thinking AF Ruby 33 but the 10'6 beam rules that out. Good spot. I took the beam off an original Boatshed listing, so not particularly surprised to learn it's wrong. Looks like it's actually 12ft, but obviously still well within the unrestricted range, so the point remains valid. I'm not a huge fan of forward helm designs, but the air draft is a massive advantage when it comes to getting to the best bits of the broads. I've spent huge amounts of time looking for something similar sized and a bit sportier looking which can get above Wroxham, but aft cockpits generally top out around 27ft, sedans are too tall and centre cockpits are often v.poor for winter cruising. My planned boat purchase fell through after survey, so I've got my eye on an old neglected Sancerre on the Great Ouse, but struggling to track the owner down thanks to modern data protection. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldgregg Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 They are quite an unusual design, never that popular and they seem to change hands a lot - But another 80's Aquafibre design that thinks very much outside of the box. There's a lot to be said for having a boat that will reach all corners of the Broads and which can be tucked into the mooring spaces which are left at the end of the day... You'll often never quite squeeze a 45-footer in, but ten feet less and it's a different story. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vaughan Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 22 hours ago, dom said: On 22/10/2023 at 16:00, RS2021 said: (b) Vessels having a beam exceeding 3.8 metres (12ft 6ins). I wouldn't mind betting that one gets breached fairly regularly. Funny you should say that . . . . Some of the photos in the Hoseasons link posted above by the OP seem to have been taken on Surlingham Broad. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldgregg Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 I think the boat might have been on trade plates at the time? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vaughan Posted October 24, 2023 Share Posted October 24, 2023 10 hours ago, oldgregg said: I think the boat might have been on trade plates at the time? Still subject to the same regs. A trade plate is just a commercial river toll, which can be displayed on any of the business's boats. But not (unlike Perci Percival) on 3 at the same time! 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RS2021 Posted October 24, 2023 Share Posted October 24, 2023 Exemptions (e) if the vessel has not since the preceding 1 January made on the stretch of water in question four passages and if also notice of the proposed passage specifying the start and finishing places has been given in writing to the Authority at least seven days before the start of the passage; or (f) while it is undergoing test or trials and is in the charge of a person bona fide employed by a boatyard provided that notice of the movement has been given to the Authority at least seven days before the start of the test or trials; or Now, I wonder if any notice was given... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vaughan Posted October 24, 2023 Share Posted October 24, 2023 1 minute ago, RS2021 said: Now, I wonder if any notice was given... I still suggest that a trade plate does not negate any width restriction on the boat itself. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RS2021 Posted October 24, 2023 Share Posted October 24, 2023 17 minutes ago, Vaughan said: I still suggest that a trade plate does not negate any width restriction on the boat itself. Not on their own they dont, but those are two of the Beam Exemptions in the Vessel Dimension Bylaws, so if you are compliant with them they do. The bylaws also give beam exemptions for other craft such as maintenance craft, older craft and even replica sailing wherrys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vaughan Posted October 24, 2023 Share Posted October 24, 2023 1 hour ago, RS2021 said: Not on their own they dont, but those are two of the Beam Exemptions in the Vessel Dimension Bylaws, so if you are compliant with them they do. The bylaws also give beam exemptions for other craft such as maintenance craft, older craft and even replica sailing wherrys. Well, what I posted as a little joke seems to have got into a tennis match of legal definitions. So let's put it this way, if we are being serious : Is it reasonable for Hoseasons to publish photos in a boat description, which seem to be taken in a place where the the boat is not allowed to cruise? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marshman Posted October 24, 2023 Share Posted October 24, 2023 Not going to stop me sleeping!!!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vaughan Posted October 24, 2023 Share Posted October 24, 2023 1 minute ago, marshman said: Not going to stop me sleeping!!!!!!!! Maybe because you have not been a boat hirer, having to produce a brochure. This sort of silly error, on boats costing a small fortune to hire, could well result in litigation. It has done in the past. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DAVIDH Posted October 24, 2023 Share Posted October 24, 2023 The boat images will have been given to Hoseasons by the boatyard. Hoseasons don't send a photographer out. That's why you always see the same images on the boatyards own websites. Just as an aside. First timers often have no concept of the distances anyway. So many call up concerned that the web page says they can't get under this or that bridge. Often, they're only on a 3 or 4 night break and need reassuring it won't be too catastrophic if they can't cruise the 3 to 5 extra miles above the bridges. (Ludham Bridge excepted) 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K2T Posted October 24, 2023 Share Posted October 24, 2023 7 hours ago, RS2021 said: Not on their own they dont, but those are two of the Beam Exemptions in the Vessel Dimension Bylaws, so if you are compliant with them they do. The bylaws also give beam exemptions for other craft such as maintenance craft, older craft and even replica sailing wherrys. Can i ask which replica sailing wherries ? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RS2021 Posted October 24, 2023 Share Posted October 24, 2023 7 minutes ago, K2T said: Can i ask which replica sailing wherries ? I think you have to build it first. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vaughan Posted October 24, 2023 Share Posted October 24, 2023 1 hour ago, K2T said: Can i ask which replica sailing wherries ? Well said! And welcome to the forum! There are no replicas since it would be impossible to build them now. But there are very fine preserved examples, all of them a lot older than any of us! 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marshman Posted October 24, 2023 Share Posted October 24, 2023 Maid of the Mist up at Wayford still afloat???? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turnoar Posted October 24, 2023 Share Posted October 24, 2023 Was afloat when I went past a few months ago MM. Maybe NWDCT could put a mast and sail on their new tin wherry? Not sure of the beam though... could be a steel man fallacy. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vaughan Posted October 25, 2023 Share Posted October 25, 2023 8 hours ago, marshman said: Maid of the Mist up at Wayford still afloat???? Oops, I forgot that one. But I don't think she has much of a wide beam anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marshman Posted October 25, 2023 Share Posted October 25, 2023 The only similarity of the NWDCT boat to a traditional wherry is the colour scheme methinks. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K2T Posted October 25, 2023 Share Posted October 25, 2023 only two true Wherries left ! both 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vaughan Posted October 26, 2023 Share Posted October 26, 2023 13 hours ago, K2T said: only two true Wherries left ! both Lovely photo. These are trading wherries but pleasure wherries, such as Solace and Hathor, are still true wherries. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K2T Posted October 26, 2023 Share Posted October 26, 2023 Sorry Vaughan i mean Black Sail Wherries, and both 15 foot beam. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Broads01 Posted October 26, 2023 Author Share Posted October 26, 2023 4 hours ago, K2T said: Sorry Vaughan i mean Black Sail Wherries, and both 15 foot beam. I bet passing them on the Ant could get interesting. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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