nelson87 Posted July 20, 2020 Share Posted July 20, 2020 Hi Everyone, Newbie broads person here :) Would really appreciate any advice at all on boats and moorings. We're currently looking at two boats to buy. Would love to hear people's thoughts on either of them - which one would you choose and why? One has shore power - how important is this in your opinion? Also, not sure why but the Macbar has been for sale for over a month and a half, it looks like a nice boat so not sure why! Other boats are going like hotcakes! 1 )Seamaster 813 - https://www.boatshed.com/seamaster_813-boat-273132.html 2) Macbar Marine 26 - https://www.boatshed.com/macbar_marine__26-boat-256610.html Also some advice on what sort of running costs / yearly costs we need to watch our for and how much they are? I'm struggling to find info on this. So far I know we have the following to cover but don't know the costs: Anti - fouling once a year Winter storage Broads Licence Boat Safety Certificate Really appreciate everyone's help! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CambridgeCabby Posted July 20, 2020 Share Posted July 20, 2020 Both boats on the face of it seem reasonable value , and both have their downsides . The Macbar with its exposed rudder will make stern on mooring awkward unless two very large fenders are employed , the Seamaster also has its landing platform which will need protecting , plus it only has a portapotti . Antifoul should last a couple or three years and if winter storage is on hard standing then could be done by yourselves for the cost of the antifoul paint , bss is dependant on what works if any are needed so cannot give a genuine guess in that one (Brian May of Maycraft is an excellent assessor ) Broads licence is worked out by the size of your boat , our Ocean 30 this year was £391.44 and both of the boats you are considering are smaller so will cost a bit less . Winter storage , give someone like Sutton boatyard a ring for a ball park figure , remember you will need craning in and out so include that . Choice of which one is and can only really be personal choice , my choice for what it counts would be the seamaster as there are many on the Broads and the owners seem to love them . 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nelson87 Posted July 20, 2020 Author Share Posted July 20, 2020 8 minutes ago, CambridgeCabby said: Both boats on the face of it seem reasonable value , and both have their downsides . The Macbar with its exposed rudder will make stern on mooring awkward unless two very large fenders are employed , the Seamaster also has its landing platform which will need protecting , plus it only has a portapotti . Antifoul should last a couple or three years and if winter storage is on hard standing then could be done by yourselves for the cost of the antifoul paint , bss is dependant on what works if any are needed so cannot give a genuine guess in that one (Brian May of Maycraft is an excellent assessor ) Broads licence is worked out by the size of your boat , our Ocean 30 this year was £391.44 and both of the boats you are considering are smaller so will cost a bit less . Winter storage , give someone like Sutton boatyard a ring for a ball park figure , remember you will need craning in and out so include that . Choice of which one is and can only really be personal choice , my choice for what it counts would be the seamaster as there are many on the Broads and the owners seem to love them . Thanks for your reply :) About the Seamaster - Agreed, not so keen on having a portapotti! Is installing a sea toilet expensive? do you by any chance know the cost of installing shore power? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrundallNavy Posted July 20, 2020 Share Posted July 20, 2020 A toilet plus holding tank I would think about£1000 shore power would depend on what setup you needed a battery charger could be around £300 but if you only need one socket clearly much less. The boat could stay in the water all year round and just come out every two years for a check over and antifoul. My boat is 26 feet and annual costs are around £2000 including toll and insurance. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldBerkshireBoy Posted July 20, 2020 Share Posted July 20, 2020 Noticed some iffy wiring in the first few photos of the Seamaster, ok wouldn`t take much to put right but for me it says something about the current owner. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheesey69 Posted July 20, 2020 Share Posted July 20, 2020 If staying on the broads and not going to sea then a holding tank a must. Stern mooring is a thing so is hard landings, worth thinking about the bits that stick out. Shore power helps in lots of ways and I would have it installed. And I have done for both my sea vessel and my new inland boat. Expect around 500 to get it fitted. This is why I picked an ex hire. The basics are there already. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Posted July 20, 2020 Share Posted July 20, 2020 The Macbar says "Substantial Reduction" it may have just been over priced when first listed but I'd want to know more if I were interested. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yareman Posted July 20, 2020 Share Posted July 20, 2020 The Macbar started off with nya about 2 years ago, the price then was about £ 17,000. I understand it had come up from the south coast (Poole area I think) following a fair bit of refurbishment and engine overhaul. I looked at it as most of the hulls went for fishing boats, which would suggest good seakeeping which appealed to me. At the time I thought it well over priced . I still do. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
floydraser Posted July 20, 2020 Share Posted July 20, 2020 Mooring: After reading various forum posts etc I thought moorings would be either too expensive, hard to come by, or both. Apart from the length it depends what facilities you want. I went for decent toilets and showers and a floating mooring so I don't worry too much about tides or flooding. Best to call a few places and ask, weekdays best. Insurance: Someone may well have better info here but if the boat has a recent hull survey it's possible to get fully comp insurance. You need third party anyway and £2m public liabilities cover. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishtone Posted July 20, 2020 Share Posted July 20, 2020 Sea Masters are like Freemans you never loose money on re sale of these boats.Very popular boats.Still hold their price.. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Posted July 20, 2020 Share Posted July 20, 2020 1 hour ago, floydraser said: I went for decent toilets and showers and a floating mooring so I don't worry too much about tides or flooding. Best to call a few places and ask, weekdays best Good advice that also works the other way round, I started with a floating pontoon mooring and excellent facilities. No complaints at all about the yard but I live 15/20 minutes drive from the boat and was paying for things I didn't need! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nelson87 Posted July 20, 2020 Author Share Posted July 20, 2020 6 hours ago, Yareman said: The Macbar started off with nya about 2 years ago, the price then was about £ 17,000. I understand it had come up from the south coast (Poole area I think) following a fair bit of refurbishment and engine overhaul. I looked at it as most of the hulls went for fishing boats, which would suggest good seakeeping which appealed to me. At the time I thought it well over priced . I still do. What would you say is a fair price for it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JennyMorgan Posted July 20, 2020 Share Posted July 20, 2020 1 hour ago, nelson87 said: What would you say is a fair price for it? I rather like it but it is an old boat with an old engine. Personally I'd go in at £7,500.00 and walk away at £9,000.00. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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