C.Ricko Posted August 22, 2018 Share Posted August 22, 2018 3 hours ago, Polly said: Is Stella the boat that was being finished at Landamore's a couple of years ago? Stellar and Lyra were built in the shed next to south gates lower st Horning, one was at Landemores briefly but not sure why (perhaps paint?) I usually lift Stellar at Horning on/off her trailer 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Polly Posted August 22, 2018 Share Posted August 22, 2018 Great many thanks for the info. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JennyMorgan Posted August 22, 2018 Author Share Posted August 22, 2018 More 'real' boats, Oulton Broad this morning. That blue sky is for real, lucky us. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vaughan Posted August 22, 2018 Share Posted August 22, 2018 1 hour ago, ChrisB said: Sounds like with a wad of cash you design and build just within the rules, mop up all the silver in your launch year and then are handicapped out of contention thereafter. I ended my short love affair with Merlins in similar circumstances. It got to the point that you needed a new hull every year. In four short years my Merlin that actually looked like a boat was up against things that looked like flying saucers and had no chance. You are absolutely right, although in the Cruiser Class, that is nothing new! Herbert Woods built Ladybird in 1936 with the idea of winning all the silver, which he did. They then handicapped him out of it, so he re-fitted Ladybird as a hire boat, with a larger cabin and a smaller rig, and built another boat around the original keel. He called her My Lady and she then won all the silver as well. When my parents owned this boat, they re-named her Evening Flight. Sail no 2. Ladybird was later bought by Mark Dunham in the late 60s and was rebuilt to her original drawings by Leslie Landamore. Mark wanted her keel back, but we wouldn't let him have it! She can be seen at Oulton this year in Peter's excellent photos, Sail no 113. I remember back in the early 70s when we were having to make so many decisions about what to allow as new designs for River Cruisers, we used to laugh sometimes, as probably the most famous and typical River Cruiser, Forester, No 7, was actually built in Southampton and if someone had produced a design like Ladybird, in 1976 instead of 1936, she would probably have failed the class rules! By the way, I believe the class now have a provisional handicap system which helps to prevent what Chris describes above, but I am not sure how it works! The RCC is a fascinating community of like-minded people and it has always been a major part of the traditional Broads scene. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JennyMorgan Posted August 22, 2018 Author Share Posted August 22, 2018 Ladybird has gone full circle as she's now racing again, sail number 113, as Vaughan has mentioned. I heard a buzz that one of her owners is a forum member. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrundallNavy Posted August 22, 2018 Share Posted August 22, 2018 2 hours ago, JennyMorgan said: Ladybird has gone full circle as she's now racing again, sail number 113, as Vaughan has mentioned. I heard a buzz that one of her owners is a forum member. Well he wasn’t there yesterday as he was cutting the grass 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JennyMorgan Posted August 22, 2018 Author Share Posted August 22, 2018 31 minutes ago, brundallNavy said: Well he wasn’t there yesterday as he was cutting the grass Needs to get his priorities right! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JennyMorgan Posted August 22, 2018 Author Share Posted August 22, 2018 This evening at Oulton Broad. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marshman Posted August 22, 2018 Share Posted August 22, 2018 Some photos PW - what an array of cash pouring into boats!! Just so so glad some people can still do that and own and race such beautiful boats. Well done to them!!!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JennyMorgan Posted August 22, 2018 Author Share Posted August 22, 2018 22 minutes ago, marshman said: Some photos PW - what an array of cash pouring into boats!! Just so so glad some people can still do that and own and race such beautiful boats. Well done to them!!!! Some of the support vessels are pretty impressive too! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marshman Posted August 23, 2018 Share Posted August 23, 2018 What - you mean Solace!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JennyMorgan Posted August 23, 2018 Author Share Posted August 23, 2018 18 minutes ago, marshman said: What - you mean Solace!!!!! Solace is top of a very expensive pile! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vaughan Posted August 23, 2018 Share Posted August 23, 2018 It really wouldn't be a major regatta, would it, without a pleasure wherry moored on the broad and dressed overall. A classic sight and a vital part of the Broads image. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wussername Posted August 23, 2018 Share Posted August 23, 2018 Great photos JM That's next year's calendar sorted then! Andrew 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Ricko Posted August 23, 2018 Share Posted August 23, 2018 Ladybird sail number 13. Viking is 113, she had a canoe stern added to her a year or so ago, I thought Tony Knights put her cabin back to original? I think it was also him who had the rig of Crossbow on her. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 23, 2018 Share Posted August 23, 2018 I think you are right Clive, although I believe to be completely correct a chap named Cooke who lived in Switzerland owned her and Tony sailed / raced her. By the end of Oulton weeks hard racing she used to start taking on water at an alarming rate as her huge rig was literally tearing her apart. Here she is in the early eighties at NBYC. Sorry about the photo lost its colour over the years. It was a huge rig by Broads standards taller than Raisena even. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vaughan Posted August 23, 2018 Share Posted August 23, 2018 I wondered about that, as I knew that Ladybird's number was 13. I thought maybe someone was superstitious! It was definitely Mark Dunham who had her re-converted by Landamores, as he and I were good friends in those days. It was indeed Tony Knights who converted her rig by using the mast from Tim Whelpton's world sailing speed record breaker, Crossbow. This was the first time that a "high aspect ratio" rig of this kind had been attempted on the Broads and it left her grossly over canvassed and only able to race in light airs. Broads River Cruisers are by nature over-canvassed which is one of the reasons why they don't go to sea, but this seemed at the time to be a step way too far. It opened up all the seams in her topsides and nearly pulled the chain plates out of the deck. Owing to the sort of competition that existed in the "fast end" of the class at that time, it was immediately copied by other boats, notably Achievement and, of course, Raisena, whose second version of the big rig was christened "Mendlesham" after the television mast in Suffolk. There were others, including myself, who preferred to race the boats as they were built and I was always proud that Evening Flight's rig remained totally unchanged since Herbert Wood built her in 1938. Should this have happened, or should the class have remained strictly traditional? There are different opinions on that one but there is no doubt that the class is in its present very healthy state because new designs and rigs have been admitted over the years. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 23, 2018 Share Posted August 23, 2018 No: 7 Forester entered by the current owners father in the all comers in sea week was taken out of Lowestoft harbour for a light airs race and demolished the fleet. Topsail aloft she I am guessing 8 or 900 SQ.FT of sail and just walked it without raising a sweat. Broads cruisers are now banned from all comers at sea week. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Ricko Posted August 23, 2018 Share Posted August 23, 2018 I think Pat Simpson owned Evening Flight at one point too.. Im sure if Herbert woods was still building river cruisers then they would look like the new boats and if he still owned Ladybird then she would have a carbon mast. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 23, 2018 Share Posted August 23, 2018 You are most likely right Clive. A very forward thinking man, just look at the basin at the yard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wussername Posted August 23, 2018 Share Posted August 23, 2018 Evening Flight was certainly at Stalham Yacht Services for some time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZimbiIV Posted August 23, 2018 Share Posted August 23, 2018 Real boats just float along, and do not try and tip the helm into the wet! paul ps watching raggies from the shore is good. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wyndham Posted August 23, 2018 Share Posted August 23, 2018 Some cracking photos here JM Taken from out on the broad or your back garden? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JennyMorgan Posted August 23, 2018 Author Share Posted August 23, 2018 1 hour ago, Wyndham said: Some cracking photos here JM Taken from out on the broad or your back garden? Oulton Broad is my back garden! A few from today, picture four showing why there is a need to dredge Oulton Broad! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wyndham Posted August 23, 2018 Share Posted August 23, 2018 7 minutes ago, JennyMorgan said: Oulton Broad is my back garden! I know ..you doddery old fool. That's why I asked....out on the broad or from your back garden? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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