Slip-way Conversion.

[Colvic]

I have a slip-way on my mooring that I need to get my Elysian 27 into and keep  afloat.

The problem is at low tides there is not enough water. Can anyone suggest a digger driver who can dig it a bit deeper.

The draft I believe is 30 inches. Another thought I had was a homemade boat-lift but I was told the Elysian weight 4 tons which seems a bit high to me.

Any bright ideas anyone? I’m at NR7 Thorpe

[Smoggy]

You will likely need BA or EA permission to do any digging in the river.

4 ton is not that much for a boat, especially an older one as the grp is probably quite thick.

[TheQ]

Carved into the wood under the steps into the aftcabin of my elysian 27 centre cockpit it says 2.6 tons..

 

[Vaughan]

54 minutes ago, TheQ said:

Carved into the wood under the steps into the aftcabin of my elysian 27 centre cockpit it says 2.6 tons..

That would be British Registered tons, which is a calculation of cargo capacity.

I would think the weight when hanging off a crane hook, would be more like 5 tons (Imperial).

[MauriceMynah]

Vaughan, When I had a landrover and was thinking of trailing my Elysian, I too was told 2.5 tons, but that a suitable trailer would take it over the 3 ton limit for towing. ( I did ask if he meant braked or unbraked and he was just starting to explain in detail why I would be unwise towing something that heavy unbraked when he realised I was grinning ).

 

[Vaughan]

All the same, I am an ex crane driver.  If I were ordering a crane to lift a boat like that, I would estimate 5 tons.

The crane hire company would send a crane of at least 18 to 20 tons, to allow for the reach of the jib, over the quay.

If you wanted me to crane Broad Ambition out, I would order a crane of 40 tons, to allow for the reach out over the water.

[BroadAmbition]

'B.A' is about 8 x tons dry, (I think - from memory)  that is no diesel, water or stores

Griff

 

 

[Smoggy]

Cranes are generally rated "at a radius".

[CambridgeCabby]

When we last had Cerise Lady lifted her weight including water , fuel and chattels was just over 7.5 tons 

[Vaughan]

22 minutes ago, BroadAmbition said:

'B.A' is about 8 x tons dry, (I think - from memory)  that is no diesel, water or stores

Griff

I would guess Broad Ambition at around 12 tons Imperial. 

When I lifted out George Formby's old boat, Lady Beryl, (built by Windboats) in Staines, she weighed just over 15 tons.

[BroadAmbition]

I can well believe Lady Beryl weighs in at that

Griff

[oldgregg]

I think the Elysian / Bounty 27's are in the region of 2 and a half tons. Their light weight shows when you're trying to keep them in a straight line in a strong wind!

[TheQ]

On 13/12/2020 at 16:13, MauriceMynah said:

Vaughan, When I had a landrover and was thinking of trailing my Elysian, I too was told 2.5 tons, but that a suitable trailer would take it over the 3 ton limit for towing. ( I did ask if he meant braked or unbraked and he was just starting to explain in detail why I would be unwise towing something that heavy unbraked when he realised I was grinning ).

 

You would be over the maximum towing width of 2.55M (8.4ft ) towing an Elysian (9.5ft) without an escort

[MauriceMynah]

Spot on Mr Q sir, I found that out later. Even then I found out that there were some telling me that the rules weren't that straight forward, and that there were ifs and buts where boats were concerned.

[floydraser]

I know a tad about towing. Just to bring the focus away from the rules and towards the practical side of towing a boat (in respect of the thread drift!): Unless you want to tow one of those tiny, flappy things, leave it to the experts.

A car's ability to tow anything is an afterthought of it's main design, as is a boat's ability to be moved over land. A boat trailer is just an interface between the two. The trailed unit will have a high centre of gravity and react unpredictably under forces of crosswind or when the trailer wheels on one side find a pot hole. The faster you go, the worse it gets. The towing vehicle needs to be heavy enough to be well in control and driven in respect of the above. It's not the same as towing a caravan.

It would be a grave mistake to think that trailing a boat is straightforward so long as you are within the law. Apologies to those already in the know but someone thinking about towing a boat for the first time could be reading this.

[TheQ]

6 minutes ago, floydraser said:

I know a tad about towing. Just to bring the focus away from the rules and towards the practical side of towing a boat (in respect of the thread drift!): Unless you want to tow one of those tiny, flappy things, leave it to the experts.

A car's ability to tow anything is an afterthought of it's main design, as is a boat's ability to be moved over land. A boat trailer is just an interface between the two. The trailed unit will have a high centre of gravity and react unpredictably under forces of crosswind or when the trailer wheels on one side find a pot hole. The faster you go, the worse it gets. The towing vehicle needs to be heavy enough to be well in control and driven in respect of the above. It's not the same as towing a caravan.

It would be a grave mistake to think that trailing a boat is straightforward so long as you are within the law. Apologies to those already in the know but someone thinking about towing a boat for the first time could be reading this.

I wonder why I bought a long wheelbase Land Rover... .

[floydraser]

4 minutes ago, TheQ said:

I wonder why I bought a long wheelbase Land Rover... .

Cheat! That's not a car, it's a bit of machinery; doesn't count. 

[MauriceMynah]

7 minutes ago, TheQ said:

I wonder why I bought a long wheelbase Land Rover... .

That's exactly what I bought, but at that time my boat was a 25' Seamaster. Floydraiser is quite right though, it's not a job to be tackled without a lot of prior towing experience, and he does make it clear that his warning is for the uninitiated.

[Cal]

On 13/12/2020 at 16:13, MauriceMynah said:

Vaughan, When I had a landrover and was thinking of trailing my Elysian, I too was told 2.5 tons, but that a suitable trailer would take it over the 3 ton limit for towing. ( I did ask if he meant braked or unbraked and he was just starting to explain in detail why I would be unwise towing something that heavy unbraked when he realised I was grinning ).

 

Our little Sealine is 2.4 ton dry weight. With gear on board and an allowance for a bit of liquids in the tank and on a suitable trailer it is close to or over the limit.

 

We did consider getting a trailer and decent tow car but in the end decided that it was simpler just to pay someone to tow it for us when we want it taking somewhere!!