LizG Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 21 hours ago, JennyMorgan said: This one has got me stumped, where is it? Painted by John Reginald Goodman, it looks Broads to me but I can not place that church, can you? I wonder if it a church say on the one of Suffolk rivers - as a suggestion St. Botolphs at Iken on the River Alde I'm not saying it is that church but its the right shape!!!! (ish) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JennyMorgan Posted February 3, 2021 Author Share Posted February 3, 2021 37 minutes ago, LizG said: I wonder if it a church say on the one of Suffolk rivers - as a suggestion St. Botolphs at Iken on the River Alde I'm not saying it is that church but its the right shape!!!! (ish) The fly in the ointment regarding that picture is that the painter has clearly identified the picture as being The Broads but your suggestion is good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JennyMorgan Posted February 3, 2021 Author Share Posted February 3, 2021 Iken church, like many a very English English church. The church in the painting does appear to have a spire which has thrown me. I haven't been to Iken for at least twenty years, lovely place. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canarytops Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 On 01/02/2021 at 17:05, JennyMorgan said: Norfollk Keel I've just noticed that there appears to be a winch forward and aft, artistic license (?) as I was under the impression that the winch was aft on the keels ? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marshman Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 They moan about Ludham Bridge now - the floods of 1912 did the Broads hire industry a real favour!!!! Acle's improved a bit too!!! I don't think that's Thurne Church - its too fancy! It could be anywhere, the Thames , the Great Ouse but if its entitled "The Broads" it carries more than the usual amount of artistic license, methinks. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vaughan Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 29 minutes ago, Canarytops said: I've just noticed that there appears to be a winch forward and aft, artistic license (?) as I was under the impression that the winch was aft on the keels ? I would guess that the forward winch was for lowering the mast and bracing it upright against the backstay that we can see in the drawing. The aft winch would then raise the deadweight of the sail and yard and could also be used for loading cargo. There would be no mainsheet as such, as the square sail and the yard was swung from side to side by braces. Just guessing! I think drawings as good as this one would probably have been accurate. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JennyMorgan Posted February 3, 2021 Author Share Posted February 3, 2021 30 minutes ago, Canarytops said: I've just noticed that there appears to be a winch forward and aft, artistic license (?) as I was under the impression that the winch was aft on the keels ? I can find no evidence either way. I suppose a winch aft would provide a substantial, adjustable back stay for the square rig. I did see Dee Dah when she was being excavated but regretfully took no photos, I left that to others. I have no recollection of a winch either end but your impression is an interesting one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JennyMorgan Posted February 3, 2021 Author Share Posted February 3, 2021 Oulton Broad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JennyMorgan Posted February 3, 2021 Author Share Posted February 3, 2021 Wherry on the Waveny. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JennyMorgan Posted February 3, 2021 Author Share Posted February 3, 2021 Wherry on the Waveney. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JennyMorgan Posted February 3, 2021 Author Share Posted February 3, 2021 Beccles by Henry Fox. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JennyMorgan Posted February 3, 2021 Author Share Posted February 3, 2021 Thorpe on the Yare. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JennyMorgan Posted February 4, 2021 Author Share Posted February 4, 2021 Fishing on The Broads: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canarytops Posted February 5, 2021 Share Posted February 5, 2021 On 03/02/2021 at 10:19, Vaughan said: I would guess that the forward winch was for lowering the mast and bracing it upright against the backstay that we can see in the drawing. The aft winch would then raise the deadweight of the sail and yard and could also be used for loading cargo. There would be no mainsheet as such, as the square sail and the yard was swung from side to side by braces. Just guessing! I think drawings as good as this one would probably have been accurate. On 03/02/2021 at 10:28, JennyMorgan said: I can find no evidence either way. I suppose a winch aft would provide a substantial, adjustable back stay for the square rig. I did see Dee Dah when she was being excavated but regretfully took no photos, I left that to others. I have no recollection of a winch either end but your impression is an interesting one. I spread the net a bit wider to seek advice and it does appear "my impression" isn't necessarily correct ! It would appear that there is a lack of definitive knowledge about the rigging of keels other than the Norwich School of Artists and the almost preserved Dee-Dar. Harry Clow's excellent sketch is viewed as being typical of later, larger keels (as shown by the models within the Bridewell Museum and Science Museum) whereas "my impression" is possibly correct based on smaller keels where the sail could be raised manually. Bob Malster certainly supports the view that Harry's sketch is an accurate reflection of those models. Watch this space ! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JennyMorgan Posted February 8, 2021 Author Share Posted February 8, 2021 The mouth of Oulton Broad by J.Stark, an artist who produced a series of etchings from across the Broads. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grendel Posted February 8, 2021 Share Posted February 8, 2021 oh dear, now we have JM asking us to view his etchings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BroadAmbition Posted February 8, 2021 Share Posted February 8, 2021 Not for me thanks. Not brave enough Griff 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marshman Posted February 23, 2021 Share Posted February 23, 2021 I was interested to see the picture of Reedham Mill by W L Rackham which Peter put up a few posts ago - I have the original hanging on my wall!!! I have only just realised that!!! However sad to relate my picture has been hanging in full sunlight at some stage ( not in my ownership I hasten to add! ) and not only has it faded from Peter's photo, but gone brown as many of Rackhams paintings did, simply because he would, or could not, afford decent watercolour paints. I have also recently acquired a better copy of G Christopher Davies book, Rivers and Broads of Norfolk and Suffolk - there were several editions of this not uncommon book but my newer one has around 20 plates of Rackhams drawings! To me that was a lucky purchase but I expect a few old codgers posting here have copies of that edition too. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JennyMorgan Posted February 23, 2021 Author Share Posted February 23, 2021 2 hours ago, marshman said: However sad to relate my picture has been hanging in full sunlight at some stage ( not in my ownership I hasten to add! ) and not only has it faded from Peter's photo, but gone brown as many of Rackhams paintings did, simply because he would, or could not, afford decent watercolour paints. Thanks for the heads up about Rackham's drawings, I hadn't put two and two together. Incidentally, I did see a very nice Rackham oil painting a year or so back, that I did admire. Re my photo of your painting, not bad for handheld and lit by your room lighting! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marshman Posted February 23, 2021 Share Posted February 23, 2021 He obviously did more than one then!!! Yours is about 100X better. The illustrations in the Davies book seem to differ from edition to edition - the drawings in my original book are not signed, nor does it say who did them, but in my other copy, incidentally in much better condition, all the illustrations are signed by Rackham - and they differ from the illustrations in my "rubbish" one! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JennyMorgan Posted February 23, 2021 Author Share Posted February 23, 2021 1 hour ago, marshman said: He obviously did more than one then!!! Yours is about 100X better. He is not the only one to have done that. I have, for example, a Batchelder of Lowestoft Harbour Mouth, there is a very similar version in Lowestoft's Town Hall collection, another in the local Maritime Museum and another in the Town Museum at Oulton Broad and I don't doubt that other variations are in other private hands. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marshman Posted February 23, 2021 Share Posted February 23, 2021 Like many he tried to earn a living selling art (bit like busking today I suppose! ) and he and others, would have painted one, and then on a wet day, and through the winter, copied it to earn money! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JanetAnne Posted March 15, 2021 Share Posted March 15, 2021 Painted in 1983 by a local artist who I suspect Jenny Morgan knew personally, David Brooke (Hopalong to his friends) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JennyMorgan Posted March 15, 2021 Author Share Posted March 15, 2021 2 hours ago, JanetAnne said: Painted in 1983 by a local artist who I suspect Jenny Morgan knew personally, David Brooke (Hopalong to his friends) Or even Peg-Leg! Yes, I knew him very well, amazing character. Successfully sailed his Merlin Rocket racing dinghy single legged for a number of years. Not David but these pictures show similar Merlin Rockets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheQ Posted March 15, 2021 Share Posted March 15, 2021 4 hours ago, JanetAnne said: Appears to be Broads One Designs (AKA the Brown Boats) at Oulton? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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