Guest Posted June 18, 2023 Share Posted June 18, 2023 Just finished our annual Southern Broads trip. Monday to Saturday in the best weather you can imagine. We’re sailing in an electric boat so have slightly different needs to others. Headlines. The Southern Rivers are absolutely marvellous in June if the weathers nice. Moorings are plentiful and of numerous kinds. There are many pubs with moorings - some still free. Plenty of places to charge up. What did we pay for? Norwich. Arrived at 7 to be told the facilities all closed at 8. Really disappointed with that. Surely a coded door on one loo could be provided? As a historic boat we put human waste straight into the river so there we would always use public loos when we can. At Loddon we paid for the loo and shower (Parish Council I assume) 20p for a p and £2.50 for a shower. Paid happily but noted they also shut at night. (The man who came to clean in the morning said he had cctv of a Bloke peeing outside. Had his car reg and he would be fined. (Hoped it didn’t cover me going in the river at 3am, but as I’ve said that just cuts out the middle man) Felt a bit sorry for the bloke - needed the loo - found a public one. Shut for night. Used bushes. I do think that if you do pay you might expect basic services (a 24 hour loo specifically) General points. Broads in fine shape. Endless moaning about every single thing the BA does is mostly just moaning Paying for things (paid £8 at Ferry Inn Stokesby very happily - moored right outside the pub) will become the norm. You pay for car parking don’t you? You’ve paid your Road tax haven’t you but you pay to park near the high street or at the hospital? Paying for things is how things get the money to survive. If the economy is screwed and the pubs can’t get enough staff I’d look to how you voted rather than blame the BA. I live on the northern broads and the situation here is pretty much that same - although the lack of pubs is a much greater problem. So if the pub charges you to moor I’d be a bit understanding. Lose two or three more and things would be seriously worse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MargeandParge Posted June 18, 2023 Share Posted June 18, 2023 You don't pay over the odds for a good meal at The Nippy Chippy in Potter Heigham . The best value for Fish and Chips on The Broads and many other places in our opinion. Kindest Regards Marge and Parge 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chelsea14Ian Posted June 18, 2023 Share Posted June 18, 2023 Do they charge for toilets now at Loddon.Not so start of the year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
floydraser Posted June 18, 2023 Share Posted June 18, 2023 58 minutes ago, batrabill said: You pay for car parking don’t you? You’ve paid your Road tax haven’t you but you pay to park near the high street or at the hospital? Paying for things is how things get the money to survive. If the economy is screwed and the pubs can’t get enough staff I’d look to how you voted rather than blame the BA. . When I paid my road tax it didn't include free parking for years then get changed at short notice so that I felt betrayed, stitched up. With notice, I could decide whether or not the car was worth it before paying for another year. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rightsaidfred Posted June 18, 2023 Share Posted June 18, 2023 1 hour ago, batrabill said: You pay for car parking don’t you? You’ve paid your Road tax haven’t you but you pay to park near the high street or at the hospital? Paying for things is how things get the money to survive. If the economy is screwed and the pubs can’t get enough staff I’d look to how you voted rather than blame the BA. Vehicle tax is just another tax payable to the government, its nothing to do with parking or whoever provides it. Fred 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 18, 2023 Share Posted June 18, 2023 You paid before at Yarmouth and Norwich, as the old joke goes, “we’ve established the principle, now we’re just haggling over the price.” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 18, 2023 Share Posted June 18, 2023 37 minutes ago, Chelsea14Ian said: Do they charge for toilets now at Loddon.Not so start of the year. They’ve been totally refurbed. Very nice, very clean. Access by Apple Pay or card. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chelsea14Ian Posted June 18, 2023 Share Posted June 18, 2023 So how much to depend a penny, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mouldy Posted June 18, 2023 Share Posted June 18, 2023 17 minutes ago, Chelsea14Ian said: So how much to depend a penny, Gents toilets at Looe in Cornwall are 20p to access, even if you just want a jimmy riddle! Stand up, no paper used and cold water at the basins (I suppose I should be grateful for that). It’s pretty much the same everywhere now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
floydraser Posted June 18, 2023 Share Posted June 18, 2023 I'm going to do a thread later but in Grasmere, Lake District, loos are 60p! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petersjoy Posted June 18, 2023 Share Posted June 18, 2023 40p for a pee in Scarborough!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 18, 2023 Share Posted June 18, 2023 Seeing a trend here? Government cut the money going to councils. Everyone sought savings. North Norfolk decided they didn’t have to collect boat waste, and left a vacuum that had to be filled by the hire companies, and through the goodwill of Parish Councils like Ludham who have a boat waste bin. I’m afraid that the BA are just joining in the trend, but never forget they were charging before, so the principle was established. It will end up, in my view, with. £10 charge everywhere. It’s not desirable, it its also not the end of days, which the reaction of a few would suggest it is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chelsea14Ian Posted June 18, 2023 Share Posted June 18, 2023 All trueLoddon is a small village with at present BA 24 hour free moorings. In my opinion attact people to visit.I don't have a problem paying for showers .I don't agree with loos there changing. Looe other tourists areas which are much larger then Loddon .Which has far more choice. Loddon has a selection of shops and three / four pubs.If Reedham charges for moorings it cutsdown choice.Pubs.Many of which now charge for moorings some with Electric costing £25 per night and not reduced if you eat there.They lose money I would often spend £100 for meals and drink.Not any longer. I do think there are worrying signs for the future of yhe broads.I hope I'm wrong. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paladin Posted June 18, 2023 Share Posted June 18, 2023 2 hours ago, batrabill said: As a historic boat we put human waste straight into the river... I'm always willing to learn, so where does the exemption for 'historic boats' from putting human waste into the Broads come from? Nothing in the extant byelaws give such an exemption. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 18, 2023 Share Posted June 18, 2023 1 minute ago, Paladin said: I'm always willing to learn, so where does the exemption for 'historic boats' from putting human waste into the Broads come from? Nothing in the extant byelaws give such an exemption. No idea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wussername Posted June 18, 2023 Share Posted June 18, 2023 12 minutes ago, Chelsea14Ian said: All trueLoddon is a small village with at present BA 24 hour free moorings. In my opinion attact people to visit.I don't have a problem paying for showers .I don't agree with loos there changing. Looe other tourists areas which are much larger then Loddon .Which has far more choice. Loddon has a selection of shops and three / four pubs.If Reedham charges for moorings it cutsdown choice.Pubs.Many of which now charge for moorings some with Electric costing £25 per night and not reduced if you eat there.They lose money I would often spend £100 for meals and drink.Not any longer. I do think there are worrying signs for the future of yhe broads.I hope I'm wrong. Ian, I have to agree to some extent with your post. May I challenge some of it. Over a pint would be good but not possible I'm afraid. Who cleans the toilet? A fairy? No, in some cases a local parishioner. Sadly lost in many of our local villages. One question, which I really do not know the answer, who owns the pub? A local family anxious to supply a service to the village, to the holiday maker, or perhaps a distant company with far reaching ideals consistent with the ambitions of young executives with little or no understanding of local concern. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paladin Posted June 18, 2023 Share Posted June 18, 2023 46 minutes ago, batrabill said: No idea. Really? So you discharge human waste into the Broads, and suggest you are exempt but can't substantiate that claim. Seem that you don't care, either, that you are causing such pollution (not as much as the water companies, but every little helps). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chelsea14Ian Posted June 18, 2023 Share Posted June 18, 2023 Agree but up until early this year the loos and showers were cleaned by a company. Can't say which or Council. I just think in small places such as Loddon there are few loos available. Many people just want to spend time by the river.As batrabill said.One person used the wall and not the loo.Hope that doesn't become a norm. Pubs.Now day most pubs are large groups.Some have no idea how to provide a good quality if food and drink.There are a number of very well ran pubs left on yhe River.We always go to the Whitehorse Chegrave.and have for years.Simon has something going on nearly every day.Vety much like yhe food drink,Simon and his team.thats the best way of making pubs a success. Some pubs are slow in attracting customers. There's no don't Covid knocked the good drink and entertainment business for six.Many were layed many skilled workers never returned. A great many pubs now provide very boring food. There menus not mine: Pizza,beefburgers,chicken burgers ,ribs.If your lucky Steak,scampi,dirty frys oh soup,probably ready made Ice cream,cheesecake,pies,probably brought in. Okay I am a Chef.Pre lockdown there was more choice lots of well cooked home made food.I do hope things improve. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chelsea14Ian Posted June 18, 2023 Share Posted June 18, 2023 Perhaps nows the time that any boat using the broads MUST have a holding tank.Which is then pumped out like most boats. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smoggy Posted June 18, 2023 Share Posted June 18, 2023 14 minutes ago, Chelsea14Ian said: .Many were layed many skilled workers never returned. I'm not surprised they never returned, they were too busy being laid. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chelsea14Ian Posted June 18, 2023 Share Posted June 18, 2023 Not sure I see the funny side sorry. I lasted worked onbthev12 March 2020.we were called to a meeting three days later and told we be paid £29;x 3 As I left that day There was going to be a decision regarding furlough Our very clever Bosses (not) Didn't know! Then they wanted to put me on sick pay,because I had COPD That would have ruined me In the end two of us my friend with Cancer got furlough. After pointless Zoom meeting most caterers with furloughed then made redundant. ABOUT 16 Months later they tried to re employ those that left.That has happened right across the business. I can't help getting annoyed seeing so many striking. Some should try my business. Moan over (for now) 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grendel Posted June 18, 2023 Share Posted June 18, 2023 2 hours ago, Paladin said: I'm always willing to learn, so where does the exemption for 'historic boats' from putting human waste into the Broads come from? Nothing in the extant byelaws give such an exemption. I believe this is the relevant paragraph, but I understand the relevant document is well hidden nowadays Quote "11.18 Vessels manufactured prior to 16 June 1998 are not required to comply with that part of paragraph 9.1 which requires that sanitation systems shall comply with the requirements of BS MA 101." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chelsea14Ian Posted June 18, 2023 Share Posted June 18, 2023 Think that needs to change now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wussername Posted June 18, 2023 Share Posted June 18, 2023 I'm amazed at the 1998 date and that craft before that date are exempt. How many craft does that relate too I wonder? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrundallNavy Posted June 18, 2023 Share Posted June 18, 2023 3 hours ago, Paladin said: Really? So you discharge human waste into the Broads, and suggest you are exempt but can't substantiate that claim. Seem that you don't care, either, that you are causing such pollution (not as much as the water companies, but every little helps). I believe it’s a EA rule nothing to do with the BA and if I remember right it’ only applies to yachts as they have limited space for a tank. Oh and it’s not a requirement for the BSS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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