Road Accident - Stalham

[Hylander]

According to North Norfolk News this morning there was a serious accident between a lorry and a car and the road closed near to Tesco.  Hope for everyone involved.

 

 

 

 

[Ray]

That junction always needs extra care, hope everyone involved is OK

 

[Heron]

Word is one fatality, the junction is always an accident waiting to happen!  It will only get worse with the new retirement development opposite Tesco. It needs a roundabout to slow the traffic on the A149 and change the priorities. Very sad day for the town.

[Ray]

That is sad news! I agree about the roundabout, maybe even traffic lights now the new development is opening up.

It would have the extra benefit of calming the 149 for the junction at the other end of Stalham and the turn off to Richardsons!

Mostly today though, condolences to the friends and family of course.

[trambo]

Not knowing the full facts here but please, please everyone, if no where else, keep to the speed limit in a 30 zone. It really does make a difference and costs just seconds on a journey.

Fred

[garryn]

The road is open again now

[Oddfellow]

I believe a lorry jackknifed. Road closed for most of the day so I hear. I haven't heard about casualties, but I suspect with the length of time the road was closed that it was fatal for some poor soul. 

Lots of road troubles today, weather not helping at all. I had to go to Mill Hill, North London and the journey down was awful.  The sheer weight of traffic made things horrible and there were pillocks everywhere. The A47 from Brundall to the A11 was solid which put traffic onto Norwich roads. It took me an hour and 50 minutes to get from home to Barton Mills.  One moron in a van nearly wiped us out from behind travelling so close he could read the size of my shoes. Unluckily for him, he had his company van sign-written so I made quite a complaint to his boss on the phone..... 

 

 

[TheQ]

When Tesco was going to expand onto the abattoir site, one of the planning conditions was building a Roundabout on the A149.

That was lost, first because to objections to the expansion.

Second when Tesco found a big black hole in the accounts and had to sell the site.

If ever MacCarthy and Stone get restarted on the abattoir retirement home, when it's finished the access point almost opposite the Tesco warehouse entrance will cause more chaos..

The Accident was on the A149 a 50 mph limit, at that junction  with the road that actually goes past Tescos. You'd never get an artic going fast enough to jackknife outside Tescos itself.

[MauriceMynah]

Is it a 50 there? I thought it was 40! genuinely not sure!

[TheQ]

It's 50 from Sutton round to Cats Common.

[MauriceMynah]

Thank you Sir, I stand corrected, or at least would... if I had the faintest idea where "Cats Common" was!

[Meantime]

Cat's Common is between Church Farm Cottages and Abigail Cottage on the A1151. The A149 becomes the A1151 somewhere around Low Street. 

Or more simply, cross Wayford Bridge in the direction of Smallburgh and about 1.1 mile later you reach Cats Common.

[MauriceMynah]

So putting it even simply, it's a 50 from about Sutton Staithe, to just past Wayford bridge. Yes?

[Meantime]

9 minutes ago, MauriceMynah said:

So putting it even simply, it's a 50 from about Sutton Staithe, to just past Wayford bridge. Yes?

To 1.1 Miles past Wayford Bridge. Yes.

[MauriceMynah]

I would have lost money on that, I was sure there was a 40 limit past Tesco.

[Meantime]

Having just traversed that stretch virtually on Google Maps street view, it is also covered by the average speed cameras and is all 50, with a national speed limit sign either side of that stretch. Also just spotted that the A149 doesn't turn into the A1151, rather that if you turn right at Smallburgh you would stay on the A149 to Cromer, but if you stay on the main road you end up on the A1151.

[TheQ]

Most of the speed cameras although connected up have never been commissioned to be used.

I'll be using most from Cats common to Stalham in just over an hour on the way home from work, I use Stalham to  Sutton going to the sailing club or Potter.. The route I know well..

Most of the accidents along that section particularly at Tescos are caused by impatient or not seeing oncoming traffic, drivers pulling out on to the A149

[Paladin]

30 minutes ago, TheQ said:

Most of the speed cameras although connected up have never been commissioned to be used.

 

Does this information come from an official source, in writing. I am aware of drivers who have received FPNs. Anyone care to carry out a practical test?

[Ray]

I am aware of people who carry on as if they are not there... nothing in writing mind.

[Meantime]

The attached spreadsheet does not show an active site at Stalham. Interestingly the Potter Heigham site does not appear to have caught many people in recent years either. 

 

speedcameras_28.xlsx

[TheQ]

The active camera I think is the camera at the Potter end, it appears to have lights and various other fittings that the others don't

[TheQ]

There are now signs on the A149 appealing for witnesses to the accident. 

 

[marshman]

I am not really sure how the "average" speed cameras can work seeing as there is a mix of speed limits. For an average speed camera to work surely there needs to be cameras at either end of the section of road and for the speed limit to be the same within that section? I believe it was intended to catch motorcyclists going up and down at high speed!! 

As far as I am aware they have never actually been commissioned, other than the one at the Potter end and I certainly know of no one who has been fined.

 

[Paladin]

It appears that a series of average speed cameras need not be linked sequentially, but, for example, No.2 might be linked with No.4. As, in all the stats I have found regarding the A149, only the Potter Heigham camera is mentioned, that first one may be the ‘master’ camera, through which all the data is collected.

That is just a theory, but I’m not prepared to put it to the test. As far as knowing anyone ticketed on that stretch, I know two drivers who were caught out for exceeding the limit for their vehicles, limits which were vehicle related and below the 60 mph road limit. Fiendishly clever, these modern cameras! 

[stumpy]

It was entertaining when they first appeared to watch the local yoof doing the usual 70-odd then slamming on the anchors to trickle past the inoperative cameras.