JohnK Posted February 19, 2018 Share Posted February 19, 2018 For the sake of argument let’s assume that if we wanted less boats on the Broads we’d have to pay higher tolls to cover the fixed costs. Conversely if we wanted to pay lower tolls we’d need more boats to cover the costs. If it really was that simple which would you pick? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BroadAmbition Posted February 19, 2018 Share Posted February 19, 2018 I'd keep it the same as it is now but with increases linked to the annual rate of inflation. I'd also like 'Tampax Towers' (Yare House or whatever it is called nowadays) to have a Bobby Charlton - that is do some serious thinning out of the back-room shiny trouser brigade then ring fence 100% of toll income raised to be spent solely on the navigation. You know, the kind of set up we used to have Griff 6 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
socrates Posted February 19, 2018 Share Posted February 19, 2018 "Tampax Towers", not heard that one for a good few years, not sure if we would get away with calling it that these days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
socrates Posted February 19, 2018 Share Posted February 19, 2018 I wrote to the Broads Authority asking if they would consider reducing the tolls on vintage Broads boats in the same way the DVLA reduce the road tax for vintage cars. After all, it was the BA person who compared Broads Tolls to the Car Tax. I was told in no uncertain terms that they would not even entertain such an idea. Was worth a try. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnK Posted February 19, 2018 Author Share Posted February 19, 2018 I wrote to the Broads Authority asking if they would consider reducing the tolls on vintage Broads boats in the same way the DVLA reduce the road tax for vintage cars. After all, it was the BA person who compared Broads Tolls to the Car Tax. I was told in no uncertain terms that they would not even entertain such an idea. Was worth a try.I think I’ll ask them if they’ll put up the tolls for polluting diesels so they can reduce it for nice clean petrols and electric like mine. That’s the same for cars too isn’t it? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
socrates Posted February 19, 2018 Share Posted February 19, 2018 kBTW, I would keep it the same but look at increasing the tolls for the massive battle cruisers which are clearly not designed for the Broads. You know the sort? The one's that are designed to go to sea but just cruise the Yare at great speed and look down at everyone else from their oversized fly bridges. The skipper usually wears strawberry coloured trousers. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JennyMorgan Posted February 19, 2018 Share Posted February 19, 2018 6 minutes ago, socrates said: I wrote to the Broads Authority asking if they would consider reducing the tolls on vintage Broads boats in the same way the DVLA reduce the road tax for vintage cars. After all, it was the BA person who compared Broads Tolls to the Car Tax. I was told in no uncertain terms that they would not even entertain such an idea. Was worth a try. Perhaps when a boat become antique. Fifty years is nothing, half the sailing boats on the Broads must be fifty plus! 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JennyMorgan Posted February 19, 2018 Share Posted February 19, 2018 12 minutes ago, socrates said: kBTW, I would keep it the same but look at increasing the tolls for the massive battle cruisers which are clearly not designed for the Broads. You now the sort? The one's that are designed to go to sea but just cruise the Yare at great speed and look down at everyone else from their oversized fly bridges. The skipper usually wears strawberry coloured trousers. They sometimes change colour, just before they reach Gorleston Bar for the first and last time! 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 19, 2018 Share Posted February 19, 2018 1 minute ago, JennyMorgan said: They sometimes change colour, just before they reach Gorleston Bar for the first and last time! Brilliantly put Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 19, 2018 Share Posted February 19, 2018 1 hour ago, JennyMorgan said: Perhaps when a boat become antique. Fifty years is nothing, half the sailing boats on the Broads must be fifty plus! Indeed, even my floating margarine tub is 45 years old Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 19, 2018 Share Posted February 19, 2018 10 minutes ago, 40something said: Indeed, even my floating margarine tub is 45 years old Exactly GRP created classic boats n 1973 was a very good year Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grainside Posted February 19, 2018 Share Posted February 19, 2018 To answer the original question, higher tolls. But I doubt that it is that simple. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hockham Admiral Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 7 hours ago, JohnK said: For the sake of argument let’s assume that if we wanted less boats on the Broads we’d have to pay higher tolls to cover the fixed costs. Conversely if we wanted to pay lower tolls we’d need more boats to cover the costs. If it really was that simple which would you pick? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk In fact we have both, surely? The yards are selling off old boats and building new ones while tolls also go up and up. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chelsea14Ian Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 I don't think the cost of tolls should depend on the number of boats on the river.It needs to be a fair cost.If BA can only survive on unfairly pushing up the cost something is wrong.I am not suggesting that's what there doing however. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smoggy Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 "Tampax towers" Is that because they are a bloody nuisance? More huge cruisers at brundall is the answer as they pay lots of toll and only ever move to brammerton common..... (insert tin hat smiley here but I can't find it) 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hockham Admiral Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 Well you might not be suggesting that, Ian, but I'm fairly sure that some might! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PastorsDayOff Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 If we keep with the DVLA arguement then sailboats with engines should pay no toll, because they’re hybrids. Can but hope! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnK Posted February 20, 2018 Author Share Posted February 20, 2018 If we keep with the DVLA arguement then sailboats with engines should pay no toll, because they’re hybrids. Can but hope!Ah but does a tacking sailboat cause other boats to use more fuel trying to avoid them negating the benefit? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PastorsDayOff Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 1 minute ago, JohnK said: Ah but does a tacking sailboat cause other boats to use more fuel trying to avoid them negating the benefit? I could argue that we slow them down, allowing them to use less fuel, and creating less wash, and thus making them more environmentally friendly. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBill Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 Here's a question for you all. Maybe someone can answer it JP proclaimed that the 'new' toll structure would encourage more small boats to The Broads with the newer, lower tolls for that catagory. Did that happen or, dare I say it, that was just another of his 'smoke screens' to 'justify' the increases for the majority of us? Anyone know the numbers for each? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vaughan Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 This is just a generalisation but in principle, the navigation will need the same amount of upkeep, the same number of rangers, etc., no matter the number of boats using it. More boats will need more moorings though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnK Posted February 20, 2018 Author Share Posted February 20, 2018 Vaughan, I didn’t read the figures in detail but there doesn’t seem to be a lot of variable costs does there?Even the moorings wouldn’t be entirely variable based on the number of boats would they? You could have smaller moorings but less mooring sites wouldn’t be entirely acceptable would they? I suspect maintaining a mooring with ten berths would be a lot more than half the cost of maintaining the same mooring with twenty berths. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheQ Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 2 hours ago, PastorsDayOff said: I could argue that we slow them down, allowing them to use less fuel, and creating less wash, and thus making them more environmentally friendly. I thought you already did... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PastorsDayOff Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 11 minutes ago, TheQ said: I thought you already did... I take that as a compliment, thank you! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnK Posted February 20, 2018 Author Share Posted February 20, 2018 Here's a question for you all. Maybe someone can answer it JP proclaimed that the 'new' toll structure would encourage more small boats to The Broads with the newer, lower tolls for that catagory. Did that happen or, dare I say it, that was just another of his 'smoke screens' to 'justify' the increases for the majority of us? Anyone know the numbers for each?Looks like it happened:BA’s own numbers but they’d be the only people with the numbers wouldn’t they?Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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