Andrewcook Posted February 13, 2022 Share Posted February 13, 2022 Hi how do you stop a Boat from Moving and & Rocking in Windy conditions Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorfolkNog Posted February 13, 2022 Share Posted February 13, 2022 10 minutes ago, Andrewcook said: Hi how do you stop a Boat from Moving and & Rocking in Windy conditions Springs 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorfolkNog Posted February 13, 2022 Share Posted February 13, 2022 Very crude diagram in the pub but hopefully gives the idea 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorfolkNog Posted February 13, 2022 Share Posted February 13, 2022 ..... also used in tidal areas like Reedham Once set you shouldn't need to adjust the ropes 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Posted February 13, 2022 Share Posted February 13, 2022 I've never been able to get my head around this lol Great diagram but I still can't see how tying up like that makes a difference. Obviously I don't dispute that it does indeed work... I just can't see why! Any simple explanations anyone? 🍺 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExSurveyor Posted February 13, 2022 Share Posted February 13, 2022 2 minutes ago, Ray said: Any simple explanations anyone? Magic 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Posted February 13, 2022 Share Posted February 13, 2022 1 minute ago, ExSurveyor said: Magic Oddly I have just worked it out from the diagram... Magic indeed! 😁 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorfolkNog Posted February 13, 2022 Share Posted February 13, 2022 5 minutes ago, Ray said: I've never been able to get my head around this lol Great diagram but I still can't see how tying up like that makes a difference. Obviously I don't dispute that it does indeed work... I just can't see why! Any simple explanations anyone? 🍺 Mrs Nog asked the same the other day Not a clue but it stops forward and backward movement and as the ropes are quite long they can flex up and down with the tide How often do you see boats moored with about a foot of rope from the cleat to the nearest post? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExSurveyor Posted February 13, 2022 Share Posted February 13, 2022 It still amazes me how well it works no matter the extremes of tide. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grendel Posted February 14, 2022 Share Posted February 14, 2022 when I moor up I like to be able to push the boat at least a foot off the quay heading, and adjust my ropes to this end 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vaughan Posted February 14, 2022 Share Posted February 14, 2022 This is the same arrangement as Howard's drawing, taken in 2017 when we were moored at the Rushcutters, where there is a large rise and fall of tide. Broads mooring ropes are always far too short, so I always bring a long one with me, to make the two springs. As Grendel says, the boat is about a foot off the bank, but cannot surge backwards and forwards, because of the spring lines. 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smoggy Posted February 14, 2022 Share Posted February 14, 2022 10 hours ago, Andrewcook said: Hi how do you stop a Boat from Moving and & Rocking in Windy conditions Buy a caravan..... Long angled lines have a lot more give than short straight ones hence the extra scope of rise and fall they can cope with while staying in the right place, nylon lines are good for stopping snatching as they have a bit of stretch but not as good for abrasion resistance, polyester tends to have very little stretch but a polyester braid over nylon core gives a nice compromise. Those hideous polypropylene things the hire boats tend to have are crap all round (but cheap) but have the advantage of floating which means less prop foulings to deal with, that is why throw lines and life rings tend to use polyprop, no use aiming for a sinking line when trying not to drown. My lines are a bit of a liability at about 17 metres long each but I never run out of length. P.S. There are no ropes on a boat, just lines sheets and halyards (last two are just for the wafi's, normal folk don't need them). 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlyingFortress Posted February 14, 2022 Share Posted February 14, 2022 2 hours ago, Vaughan said: This is the same arrangement as Howard's drawing, taken in 2017 when we were moored at the Rushcutters, where there is a large rise and fall of tide. Broads mooring ropes are always far too short, so I always bring a long one with me, to make the two springs. As Grendel says, the boat is about a foot off the bank, but cannot surge backwards and forwards, because of the spring lines. That is not the arrangement that Howard shows on his diagram. Head and stern lines should come from the offshore cleats as shown in the diagram. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marshman Posted February 14, 2022 Share Posted February 14, 2022 My guess, is that most people use the bankside cleats - I certainly do! There are enough trip hazards on a boat and I find it works well enough! Variations on a theme!! 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meantime Posted February 14, 2022 Share Posted February 14, 2022 6 minutes ago, marshman said: My guess, is that most people use the bankside cleats - I certainly do! There are enough trip hazards on a boat and I find it works well enough! Variations on a theme!! I personally use Nog's layout which shouldn't be a trip hazard as the rope ends up overhanging the water between cleat and bankside, unless off course you can walk on water then perhaps it may be a trip hazard! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marshman Posted February 14, 2022 Share Posted February 14, 2022 Not necessarily so! NN has conveniently put the posts on the bank where he wants them, but that rarely happens and in those circumstances the lines may cross over my aft cockpit and i don't need that! In fact I to use my own variation on a theme as I have a central cleat which in most cases serves admirably well most of the time up north! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RumPunch Posted February 14, 2022 Share Posted February 14, 2022 Pointy boat - only have a centre cleat at the front Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorfolkNog Posted February 14, 2022 Share Posted February 14, 2022 2 hours ago, RumPunch said: Pointy boat - only have a centre cleat at the front Humber bridge the same. Just have 2 ropes running on same cleat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BroadAmbition Posted February 15, 2022 Share Posted February 15, 2022 P.S. There are no ropes on a boat, Nearly factually correct. However if you have a ships bell then there most definitely is a bell rope Griff 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisB Posted February 15, 2022 Share Posted February 15, 2022 For strong winds alongside a compensator or Snubber will stop snatching and protect/lessen the load on deck cleats. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bytheriver Posted February 15, 2022 Share Posted February 15, 2022 On 13/02/2022 at 22:45, NorfolkNog said: Mrs Nog asked the same the other day Not a clue but it stops forward and backward movement and as the ropes are quite long they can flex up and down with the tide How often do you see boats moored with about a foot of rope from the cleat to the nearest post? On two boats from two different yards last November on a wet & windy evening when the Quay Attendants had finished for the winter. When the one I helped was asked if they had been given any specific mooring instructions for rough weather they just looked blank & said "No" The other (when finally helped by a local boat owner) even had the bow rope up & around the rail & then straight down onto the mooring post. Both only had one stern rope out. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorfolkNog Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 Please don't be too critical but I thought this is a good example of the value of springs. Strong cross wind here at Sutton Staithe but the springs are holding us snug to the bank with no fore or aft movement. Would cater for tide variation too. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WherryNice Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 Looks spot on to me Quite rare that I don't have at least one spring line on, no matter what the weather or tide are doing. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorfolkNog Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 7 minutes ago, WherryNice said: Looks spot on to me Quite rare that I don't have at least one spring line on, no matter what the weather or tide are doing. I'm exactly the same. For the difference of time it takes I think it's well worth while. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smoggy Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 A bit of springing also takes some of the impact out when another boat gets it wrong so never a bad thing. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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