Is This My Boat ? I'm A Frayed Knot !

[MauriceMynah]

1 hour ago, annv said:

Perhaps i should add that Nanni's are French builds on a Kurbota base engine and Peachments's are the local Agents. Beta are a English firm that do the same thing on a Kurbota block, they also use John Deer ie Ford industrial engines for bigger engines. John

So some are Flench and others are Blitish 

[FairTmiddlin]

From the early Kubota tractors I used to sell certainly looks like a 50hp model to me.

[grendel]

and dont forget, if you need a kubota part (ie a part not subject to the marinisation, then there is a kubota parts place somewhere in yorkshire that will sell you the part a lot cheaper than the marine parts supplier will.

[FairTmiddlin]

1 hour ago, grendel said:

and dont forget, if you need a kubota part (ie a part not subject to the marinisation, then there is a kubota parts place somewhere in yorkshire that will sell you the part a lot cheaper than the marine parts supplier will.

You mean these guys

https://industrialenginespecialists.co.uk/kubota-parts

[grendel]

actually i may have misled you, its located a bit further north, near a famous wheel lock - a Jem of a company

[dom]

Just happened to notice this earlier. Looks like she used to live at West View in Earith.

I was actually looking at the site trying to work out the deal with pumpouts on the Great Ouse. I'd planned to buy a boat on the broads, but am actually now open-minded to the prospect of buying something locally and possibly moving later. It seems that the EA provide pumpout facilities, but I can't see how this works in terms of charging - or whether it's actually free as part of the license?

 

[Bikertov]

9 minutes ago, dom said:

Just happened to notice this earlier. Looks like she used to live at West View in Earith.

I was actually looking at the site trying to work out the deal with pumpouts on the Great Ouse. I'd planned to buy a boat on the broads, but am actually now open-minded to the prospect of buying something locally and possibly moving later. It seems that the EA provide pumpout facilities, but I can't see how this works in terms of charging - or whether it's actually free as part of the license?

 

How funny - I knew she wasn't moored at Jones, but wasn't sure exactly where.

I also originally was fixed on the Broads, but realised the RGO was more accessible for me right now, and make the boat far more usable.

[Smoggy]

The ea pump outs are free and self service but few and far between and often out of order, they had a habit of putting them on land they didn't own and losing control of them.

Many rgo boats have sea toilets or at least diverter valves for this reason and why they are still allowed on rgo.

[Vaughan]

On 05/11/2023 at 23:07, Bikertov said:

The 4.220HE (50HP) was listed as an option for £990 when new (in the 1995 price list)

I was assuming your boat was probably built around 1991 to 92. In which case the 4220 must be a replacement. I can't remember when we started fitting them instead of the 4190, but it would have been around 1995 to 96.

[mikeyboy1966]

13 hours ago, dom said:

Just happened to notice this earlier. Looks like she used to live at West View in Earith.

I was actually looking at the site trying to work out the deal with pumpouts on the Great Ouse. I'd planned to buy a boat on the broads, but am actually now open-minded to the prospect of buying something locally and possibly moving later. It seems that the EA provide pumpout facilities, but I can't see how this works in terms of charging - or whether it's actually free as part of the license?

 

Regarding pump outs,

there’s one at Ely (5hour cruise from Jones)EA

there’s another at earith(2hr cruise from Jones)EA

Also one at Hartford marina(2hr cruise upstream)tingdines.

from what I read on various forums the EA ones seem to be out of order a fair bit.

[mikeyboy1966]

I was quite concerned about the lack of pump out facilities on the Gt ouse,

im a lot more relaxed about things now after a lengthy conversation with Mick Jones .

key points of it.

because of the number of weirs/sluices the water is very well aerated.

most ,if not all of the river is on a huge amount of gravel,so water actually flows though the gravel as well so it acts like a huge filter(like in a fish tank)

there is far more effluent run off from agriculture than a few boat toilets.

allegedly the river is very healthy despite the water companies desperately trying to pollute(I actually have no idea whether there are sewage discharges into the gt Ouse)

[Bikertov]

2 hours ago, Vaughan said:

I was assuming your boat was probably built around 1991 to 92. In which case the 4220 must be a replacement. I can't remember when we started fitting them instead of the 4190, but it would have been around 1995 to 96.

My boat was built in 1996/97

[Bikertov]

13 hours ago, Smoggy said:

The ea pump outs are free and self service but few and far between and often out of order, they had a habit of putting them on land they didn't own and losing control of them.

Many rgo boats have sea toilets or at least diverter valves for this reason and why they are still allowed on rgo.

I might look into having a diverter valve fitted, depending on cost.

Just adding it to the list of repairs and enhancements - B.O.A.T !

[Vaughan]

16 minutes ago, Bikertov said:

My boat was built in 1996/97

Excellent!

At least when you find the engine number and details on the plaque, you will know for sure.

[mikeyboy1966]

1 hour ago, Bikertov said:

I might look into having a diverter valve fitted, depending on cost.

Just adding it to the list of repairs and enhancements - B.O.A.T !

Is the loo to a holding tank only?

[dom]

2 hours ago, mikeyboy1966 said:

there is far more effluent run off from agriculture than a few boat toilets.

I'd started to take that view independently of the actual legislative/licensing situation. Nitrate runoff levels throughout the whole of East Anglia must be massively higher than the entire boating fleet could ever produce.

3 hours ago, mikeyboy1966 said:

allegedly the river is very healthy despite the water companies desperately trying to pollute(I actually have no idea whether there are sewage discharges into the gt Ouse)

There are quite a lot of treated water outfalls, but I get the impression the lower density population means there are fewer extreme events when untreated waste escapes than in other parts of the country. I know for a fact there's one particularly bad waste plant at Coton, which regularly dumps raw waste into Bin Brook, but that probably only affects the Cam - the effect has probably diminished by the time it reaches the Ouse.

[Bikertov]

49 minutes ago, mikeyboy1966 said:

Is the loo to a holding tank only?

Yes, currently only a holding tank as originally fitted for use on the Broads

[grendel]

46 minutes ago, dom said:

but I get the impression the lower density population means there are fewer extreme events when untreated waste escapes than in other parts of the country.

probably fewer reported events anyway.

[mikeyboy1966]

30 minutes ago, Bikertov said:

Yes, currently only a holding tank as originally fitted for use on the Broads

I’d say a diverter valve is pretty essential then,and move it to the top of the to do list.

as you’ve found already,it’s not always possible to travel to a pump out station.( that may not be operational when you get there)

if Jones had a pump out facility,I’d probably use the holding tank fitted,

but if for instance you only use the boat for a weekend then it sits idle for a few weeks I recon it may well get a bit wiffy.

when I first bought our boat,the fwd toilet was the original manual pump drawing river water to flush,the smell from the flush water was awful if it sat in the bowl.that was top of the list of upgrades!

 

[Bikertov]

So mine seems to be an electric flush (not macerator) using river water not fresh water.

As I think about it, to fit a diverter might be a fair bit of work - a through hull fitting needed, a sea cock etc, along with re-piping the waste up to the diverter and split out back to to the tank or hull fitting.

[annv]

Hi It is said that 100yards of free flowing river will clean the output of one flush toilet. John

[dom]

3 hours ago, annv said:

Hi It is said that 100yards of free flowing river will clean the output of one flush toilet. John

Reed beds are often used in off-grid water treatment. I'd imagine the huge expanses of reeds on the broads are a lot more effective than a free flowing river.

[dom]

5 hours ago, Bikertov said:

As I think about it, to fit a diverter might be a fair bit of work - a through hull fitting needed, a sea cock etc, along with re-piping the waste up to the diverter and split out back to to the tank or hull fitting.

Probably only an hour or two's work if the pipework/tank is reasonably accessible. The worst bit is not being able to do it unless she's out of the water. It's annoying that you can't get these things done during a survey, when it'd have taken a matter of minutes to fit a sea cock. I think I'd probably rather the expense of fitting a bypass than having to resort to an Elsan though!

I'm surprised Jones don't have a pumpout, given it's 60-90 minutes to the nearest ones. I guess the fact the land floods around there may be an issue, but I'm sure there's a pumping station just up the road.

 

[Bikertov]

2 hours ago, dom said:

Probably only an hour or two's work if the pipework/tank is reasonably accessible. The worst bit is not being able to do it unless she's out of the water. It's annoying that you can't get these things done during a survey, when it'd have taken a matter of minutes to fit a sea cock.

My boat is coming out of the water in 2 weeks time for the winter, so I can speak to Jones to see what they would charge, on top of all the other work that may need doing ...

 

3 hours ago, dom said:

I'm surprised Jones don't have a pumpout, given it's 60-90 minutes to the nearest ones. I guess the fact the land floods around there may be an issue, but I'm sure there's a pumping station just up the road.

So am I !

There must be a business case for it, or even some enterprising person with a mobile unit  

[mikeyboy1966]

10 hours ago, Bikertov said:

My boat is coming out of the water in 2 weeks time for the winter, so I can speak to Jones to see what they would charge, on top of all the other work that may need doing ...

 

So am I !

There must be a business case for it, or even some enterprising person with a mobile unit  

I saw a chap advertising on face book for mobile pump out,

think the cost was £60/£80.

that’s not something you’d want to do weekly