New Desiel Rules

[TheQ]

3 hours ago, floydraser said:

I think I posted elsewhere that on 11th March someone (Sky news via the radio?) was quoted as saying that supplies and the effect of the war had stabilised, and we could expect fuel prices to level off or even drop. Cheapest diesel was around £1.63/lt at the time...

I'm convinced we are being ripped off big time, and we are now paying for the pandemic as business claws back it's losses with stealth. I remember diesel being around £1.20/lt just after lockdown and thought it was a bit too good to be maintainable.

Rugby Services J1 M6 Deisel £1.93.5/lt. Drive 1/2 mile down to Tescos Rugby £1.69/lt. 

Motorway services sites are owned by the government, who charge a huge rental,. Those that run the sites don't make a huge excess profit from it.. Motorway service fuel prices are just another tax on drivers..

[OldBerkshireBoy]

22 minutes ago, TheQ said:

 Motorway service fuel prices are just another tax on drivers..

Wouldnt call it a tax, more of a burden for a captive market. Savy folk plan ahead and find a place a few miles off a motorway to refuel the car and themself at better prices. There is a website just for this.

[AndyTBoater]

Not a rant. More of a suggestion. 

The protesters seem to be from the "let's stop using fossil fuel" department. 

The ones they have arrested should be made to appear in court 50 miles away from where they live. 

And not be allowed to use any means of transport that relies on fossil fuels for their production or usage. 

No public transport, electric vehicles, cycles or the like. 

So it's either ride a horse or walk barefoot (most shoes will have fossil fuel stuff in their manufacture or construction. 

That'll show them. Probably. 

[Mouldy]

36 minutes ago, AndyTBoater said:

Not a rant. More of a suggestion. 

The protesters seem to be from the "let's stop using fossil fuel" department. 

The ones they have arrested should be made to appear in court 50 miles away from where they live. 

And not be allowed to use any means of transport that relies on fossil fuels for their production or usage. 

No public transport, electric vehicles, cycles or the like. 

So it's either ride a horse or walk barefoot (most shoes will have fossil fuel stuff in their manufacture or construction. 

That'll show them. Probably. 

Doubt it!  Even though the clothes they wear may have come from a charity shop, they would probably have been made in a sweat shop in Asia and transported half way round the world.  They’re utterly clueless and living in a world of idealism.

[AndyTBoater]

15 minutes ago, Mouldy said:

Doubt it!  Even though the clothes they wear may have come from a charity shop, they would probably have been made in a sweat shop in Asia and transported half way round the world.  They’re utterly clueless and living in a world of idealism.

That may be a bit far and not good for the eyes. 

Hundreds of naked middle aged, middle class environ- mentalists traipsing along the highways and byways of our green and pleasant land. 

Also barefoot. Think of the foot borne diseases that will be spread around. 

On the plus side, if we stock upon athletes foot powder we could make a small fortune. 

[OldBerkshireBoy]

When such protesters have reached court in the past some do turn out to be professionals and even sons and daughters of the upper class.

[Mouldy]

4 minutes ago, OldBerkshireBoy said:

When such protesters have reached court in the past some do turn out to be professionals and even sons and daughters of the upper class.

Sons and daughters of the upper class may explain a lot, but one would think that professional people would be able to understand that we cannot abandon fossil fuels at the drop of a hat.  Common sense would dictate that, surely?

[OldBerkshireBoy]

2 minutes ago, Mouldy said:

Sons and daughters of the upper class may explain a lot, but one would think that professional people would be able to understand that we cannot abandon fossil fuels at the drop of a hat.  Common sense would dictate that, surely?

Do they expect that though or is it a case of applying pressure to focus minds.

[Mouldy]

2 minutes ago, OldBerkshireBoy said:

Do they expect that though or is it a case of applying pressure to focus minds.

Stopping fuel deliveries and affecting its availability in the garages has a negative impact on peoples ability to go about their legal business, whether it be going to work or any other reason.  It may focus minds, but probably gains them little public sympathy.

 

 

[petersjoy]

1 hour ago, Mouldy said:

 Common sense would dictate that, surely?

Like everything else Common sense is in short supply these days.

[OldBerkshireBoy]

1 hour ago, Mouldy said:

Stopping fuel deliveries and affecting its availability in the garages has a negative impact on peoples ability to go about their legal business, whether it be going to work or any other reason.  It may focus minds, but probably gains them little public sympathy.

 

 

Much like the motorway protesters.

[BroadAmbition]

[BroadAmbition]

I’ve just watched a short film clip of a fuel transport depot. There are about twelve road tankers with their tyres slashed. So the protesters are not blocking the exits now but carrying out criminal damage to disable deliveries. The cost to the operators will be horrendous 

Griff

[addicted]

If the appropriate punishments were dished out they  wouldn't be so quick to carry out these acts of sheer anarchism, but they know all they'll get IF caught wil lbe a slap on the wrist.

 

 

Carole

[Oddfellow]

Listen to yourselves getting angry at a few people making a point and a bloody fair one at that. Yes, we know it's disruptive. That's the point of the protest. We know something needs to be done for a sustainable solution and we have known for years. Problem is that for years, virtually nothing has been done and now it's all getting a bit 11th hour and we're moaning about a bit of inconvenience. Let me assure you that this is nothing to the inconvenience of being flooded out.... 

Yes, it's a ball ache, but get behind this before the only thing behind you is a tsunami. If only more of us has the balls to do things like this, we might have been able to affect change years ago when it wasn't so urgent. 

 

[BroadAmbition]

Well that’s just fine and dandy then. Rip up / ignore the laws of the land some folk don’t agree with.  Breakdown of civilisation and anarchy here we come. Nice one

Griff

[Oddfellow]

9 minutes ago, BroadAmbition said:

Well that’s just fine and dandy then. Rip up / ignore the laws of the land some folk don’t agree with.  Breakdown of civilisation and anarchy here we come. Nice one

Griff

You have no need to take this to an extreme, but when we're talking about ignoring laws, there's no finer exponent of this than those that have set them. 

We are talking about a few people making a point. We we so angry about the Fuel protests of the early 2000 when the problem was the price of fuel and not how the burning of it was damaging the climate? 

Perspective. The bigger picture. These two things are often overlooked when we are personally impacted by a minor irritation. 

 

[grendel]

the problem as I see it is the actions of those few radical eco terrorists harms the perception and tars all similar peaceful campaigns with the same brush, diminishing the overall message.

I think that most would agree that things need to happen, but the way these people are making their protest is devaluing the efforts of others peacefully trying to make the argument, and in effect harming their cause as people are now actively opposing the change because of their actions.

In other words their protests are causing more environmental harm by turning away those who might have agreed with their cause away from that cause.

[Mouldy]

28 minutes ago, Oddfellow said:

Perspective. The bigger picture. These two things are often overlooked when we are personally impacted by a minor irritation. 

Im afraid using litote to justify criminal damage is no justification for their actions.  By preventing fuel deliveries, some folk are unable to buy fuel to enable them to get to work.  The impact of that could be loss of earnings or in some cases, loss of employment.  It may affect doctors, nurses, other workers in emergency services, carers, all of whom we were lauding by their efforts during the pandemic.

The other point to realise in this is that the tyres that have been destroyed, have probably had the sidewalls slashed, which means that they can no longer go for remoulding.  Instead, they’ll go for landfill and cause replacements to be sourced at circa £300 - £350 each.  It will necessitate additional vehicles to attend the vehicles base to replace them, so a net increase in damage to the environment, not to mention the haulage company’s finances.

We all know that the environment is important, but change is not going to happen overnight and even if we became carbon neutral overnight in the UK, we are all guilty of buying goods from China and India - two of the most polluting countries on the planet.  Will you stop buying cheap (or expensive) Chinese goods?   Probably not, much like the rest of us, but how else can we persuade them that they need to curb their carbon emissions.  Boris can try to become the environmentalists hero with hollow promises of what we plan to achieve, but will we contribute sufficiently to finance the revolution?

Condoning criminal acts is wrong on every level.  The perpetrators of this should be taken to court and have a few days at Her Majesty’s pleasure for their efforts in my opinion.  They are not just causing a little inconvenience to some, their actions could be very damaging.

[CambridgeCabby]

The U.K. has pledged to reduce its use of fossil fuels and lower their carbon footprint to a much higher degree than many other nations worldwide and will continue to do so this however needs to be gradual , and measured, it’s happening but cannot be immediate .

The protesters are merely IMHO demonstrating their own impatience and lack of understanding of what is being done and alienating the general public against their cause.

Their time and energy would be far better spent demonstrating against the nations that have no interest or inclination in reducing their use of fossil fuels .

 

[floydraser]

Oh crikey, here we go again. Should we change the law to allow tyre slashing so long as it's justified by a noble cause? What if they've tried to slash a tyre and failed, causing slight, unseen damage? I hope my relatives are not out walking when the tyre let's go. But maybe they've been trained to slash tyres properly? No, they're idiots.

A better, more effective way of protest would surely involve getting more people onside, and that means good publicity. 

The price of fuel came down during lockdown to stimulate sales which to me, shows that if we all stopped buying it for a period, someone just may sit up and take notice. Oh but that may involve actually walking the kids to school; back to the drawing board then...

And besides all that, while attention is focussed on fuel other things are being ignored: When was the last time we heard about excessive use of paper products? Those protesters may have more effect if they tried convincing us all to use less paper or blockading a paper mill. We seem to think as long as it's recycled it's not damaging the environment. It damages the environment as much as making new. In fact, if we cut down on paper use (and other areas), we would also be taking lorries off the road. 

Some magazines come through the post in a recyclable wrapper. The wrapper having been transported from Austria. Not sure how anyone could attention seek protesting about that one.

 

[Woodie]

Quick google search, apparently between 5 and 8 gallons of oil used to produce one tyre! Hmm.....

 

[Meantime]

14 minutes ago, floydraser said:

The price of fuel came down during lockdown to stimulate sales which to me, shows that if we all stopped buying it for a period, someone just may sit up and take notice. Oh but that may involve actually walking the kids to school; back to the drawing board then..

I think you'll actually find that the price came down due to a lot of the world being in lockdown and closing down production facilities and therefore the demand for oil fell of a cliff. The rules of supply and demand, no demand, the price comes down. With the easing of Covid restrictions and the world rushing to catch up with lost production of goods, suddenly the demand returned and exceeded previous levels hence the price rising steadily even before the Ukraine war which has caused the perfect storm in energy prices.

[Smoggy]

During first lockdown the barrel price went negative as you can't just switch off a refinery and they can only store so much.

As far as anyone that messes with hgv tyres (let alone fuel tankers) should be given more than a few days behind bars.

[floydraser]

I don't think fuel retailers passed on the drop in wholesale price as an act of goodwill.